On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 03:24 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>
> > Would it be possible to introduce text in the separation? That would
> > both reduce mouse navigation and guide the user
>
> That would be non-standard and therefore not supported in most (
On Wed, 20 May 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote:
Would it be possible to introduce text in the separation? That would
both reduce mouse navigation and guide the user
That would be non-standard and therefore not supported in most (any?) DEs.
I thought of it once before :)
There is however, an "
On Wed, 20 May 2015 10:40:52 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>Publishing today does not need to involve actual printing.
That's correct.
>I do find it difficult to place web design applications in the same
>field, as those are generally regarded as code development tools. That
>said, a publication can
On 2015-05-20 10:21, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:40:20 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>> beginner
>
> Don't confuse a "beginner" with " an "intellectually disabled person".
> Btw. the pictograms of the apps already give much more information,
> then written text could give. If you ar
On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 12:06 AM, Len Ovens wrote:
> So:
> Graphics
> installer
> divider
> 2d graphics apps inlined
> divider
> photographic apps inlined (photography is 2D graphics)
> divider
> 3D graphics apps inlined
> divider
> anything
On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:17:12 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> >publishing
>
> Actually it means to provide tools that e.g. allow to make the file for
> the printing company. For a tacked book, page 16 and 17 might be
Publishing today does not ne
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:40:20 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> beginner
Don't confuse a "beginner" with " an "intellectually disabled person".
Btw. the pictograms of the apps already give much more information,
then written text could give. If you are a beginner, then there will be
a learning curve. F
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:27:39 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>Would it be possible to introduce text in the separation?
At some point more information makes it unfunctional. Most users aren't
that stupid and don't need it.
1. you try to make the menu more usable by sorting it in a better way
2. then
On Wed, 20 May 2015 09:17:12 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>publishing
Actually it means to provide tools that e.g. allow to make the file for
the printing company. For a tacked book, page 16 and 17 might be
one sheet, but then 14 and 19 are one sheet and the backside of the
sheet with the pages 16 an
On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 09:40 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> However, about introducing text in the separation. Perhaps if possible
> it is a good idea. But then again, ATM when you hover the mouse on an
> app, you get a description of the apps function. I'm not sure how
> obvious this is to a begin
On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 09:27 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> On 2015-05-20 09:17, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> I'm not sure i understand.
> First you write:
> >
> > I'd rather first try using submenus
> then
> >(using a menu at all is a nuisance,
> > if you ask me - using your mouse to navigate is time co
Sorry Kaj, for the formatting of my previous message :/ And maybe not so
good formulated... I don't question you, i got confused <3 I hope that
got thru.
However, about introducing text in the separation. Perhaps if possible
it is a good idea. But then again, ATM when you hover the mouse on an
app
On 2015-05-20 09:17, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
I'm not sure i understand.
First you write:
>
> I'd rather first try using submenus
then
>(using a menu at all is a nuisance,
> if you ask me - using your mouse to navigate is time consuming).
So, was that first sentence i quote intended to state:
"I'd rath
On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 12:06 AM, Len Ovens wrote:
> After thinking about htis all day while working I have some more ideas.
>
> In keeping with what is shown at:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu
> I have no problem with renaming sub menus in audio. I s
On Tue, 19 May 2015 15:06:28 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>I would also like to rename mixers to something that would include
>audio utilities that are not used very often.
^
If it's not a sub menu name it "Audio utility", if it's a sub menu call
it "Utility".
>I don't want a phot
On 2015-05-20 00:06, Len Ovens wrote:
>
> On to Graphics...
(...)
> I do like separation and agree that having separate menus may not be
> needed. So, looking at the Audio Production menu we have now. You can
> see that it is devided into four sections with a divider line between
> each one. I
On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 12:08 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015, at 03:08 PM, Set Hallström wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > First things first: Len, i think you have very good points and it's
> > obviously passion not ranting :) Your goal is honorable, i really hope
> > for
> > the same
After thinking about htis all day while working I have some more ideas.
In keeping with what is shown at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu
I have no problem with renaming sub menus in audio. I still think it is
right to keep them as submenus because there
On Tue, May 19, 2015, at 03:08 PM, Set Hallström wrote:
> Hi all,
> First things first: Len, i think you have very good points and it's
> obviously passion not ranting :) Your goal is honorable, i really hope
> for
> the same turn out as you.
>
> I must say this discussion is a bit confusing to
On Tue, 19 May 2015, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
Speaking of Debian, the US menus work just fine in upstream
Debian Unstable. My main systems have been converted to that
due to worries about the Snappy situation. Thus, I can test US packages
in upstream Debian Unstable without setting up a ne
On 05/19/2015 07:20 PM, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
> The proposed new submenus
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu
>
> are a lot clearer than the 15.04 submenus.
Yes - great work Kai.
Regarding your comment earlier in the thread, I think a "developm
Speaking of Debian, the US menus work just fine in upstream
Debian Unstable. My main systems have been converted to that
due to worries about the Snappy situation. Thus, I can test US packages
in upstream Debian Unstable without setting up a new OS partition.
On 5/19/2015 at 3:49 AM, ret...@the-
The proposed new submenus
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu
are a lot clearer than the 15.04 submenus.
On 5/19/2015 at 9:08 AM, "Set Hallström" wrote:
>
>Hi all,
>First things first: Len, i think you have very good points and it's
>obviously passion not r
Hi all,
First things first: Len, i think you have very good points and it's
obviously passion not ranting :) Your goal is honorable, i really hope for
the same turn out as you.
I must say this discussion is a bit confusing to me, 3 things come out to
me:
- We want to follow the freedesktop standar
On Tue, 19 May 2015, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
Here's the feature definition page for ubuntustudio-menu
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu
Thank you
In the proposal for the 15.10 menu..
CHANGES:
* I renamed sub-category "audio processing" to "effects", which
On Tue, May 19, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> Oh, and I understand if this seems like a big leap away from things that
> have been discussed from a certain perspective, but in another, it is
> just a big leap away from the old menu towards a new menu - based on all
> that has been said, a
Oh, and I understand if this seems like a big leap away from things that
have been discussed from a certain perspective, but in another, it is
just a big leap away from the old menu towards a new menu - based on all
that has been said, and also the desire to adhere to standards.
A freedesktop "ext
Here's the feature definition page for ubuntustudio-menu
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioMenu
In the proposal for the 15.10 menu..
REMOVALS:
* "Audio Tools" was removed from the video category, as agreed
CHANGES:
* I renamed sub-category "audio processing" to
..
> > you have to do it yourself... appears to be where this one sits.
>
> Personally, I would prefer to work with the standard as far as possible,
> even if
> it means carrying patches in Ubuntu and pushing them upstream to Debian,
> and
> further to the projects. But this is the long game, and
Hi Len,
No problems with the rant. It summed up the issues pretty well for me. I need to
set up my US development VM again and play around with different DE's and the
menu to understand better (and catch up with you). Last night I took a little
look at your work on the menu in Launchpad.
> On 19
On Mon, 18 May 2015, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
On Sun, May 17, 2015, at 06:02 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
Hmm, conversation on menu layout seems to have stopped. However nothing
seems to have been done ;)
So, I am restarting it. Currently we have:
8<--
Audio Production
On Sun, May 17, 2015, at 06:02 PM, Len Ovens wrote:
> Hmm, conversation on menu layout seems to have stopped. However nothing
> seems to have been done ;)
>
> So, I am restarting it. Currently we have:
>
> 8<--
> Audio Production
> extra SW installer
>
On Sun, 17 May 2015, Set Hallstrom wrote:
I think the audio menu is optimal like you depicted it. However, the
graphics, photo, video and publishing need a little moving arround. I
don't think it's necessary to have submenus like in the audio in these,
except maybe for the video where a subdivis
Good Move, Len! :)
I think the audio menu is optimal like you depicted it. However, the
graphics, photo, video and publishing need a little moving arround. I
don't think it's necessary to have submenus like in the audio in these,
except maybe for the video where a subdivison into "advanced" "basic
Hmm, conversation on menu layout seems to have stopped. However nothing
seems to have been done ;)
So, I am restarting it. Currently we have:
8<--
Audio Production
extra SW installer
Mixers (submenu)
Sound Generators (submenu)
Effects
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