Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-21 Thread matthew
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:56:16 +0100, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As dell are refusing to sell Linux-based computers outside of the US (even the redhat/SLED servers seem to only be sold over there), can someone supply me with contact details (a website will do nicely!) of a company

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers

2007-06-21 Thread matthew
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:27:28 +0100, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a solid supplier

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Tony Travis wrote: alan c wrote: norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, the server application is well covered and taken care of and my concern is with the desktop user, of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Alan Pope wrote: Hi Tony, On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 22:41 +0100, Tony Travis wrote: Have you ever upgraded Windows? Or MacOS? Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! A very good point. I think often we take for granted some of the features of Linux (specifically Ubuntu)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Travis wrote: alan c wrote: norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu need to be tempered with an element of caution. As far as I can tell, the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Linux Jobs (was Re: Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers)

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Rowson
Where are you based at the moment? Over near Hull - East Yorkshire - Currently working in the public sector. Chris -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Robin Menneer
On 21/06/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Travis wrote: alan c wrote: norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu need to be tempered with an

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Robin Menneer wrote: On 21/06/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Travis wrote: alan c wrote: norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread norman
big snip I got Ubuntu loaded on my machine because I was led to believe that the updates that I gratefully receive are distributed in order to keep my software healthy, I have thought that Ubuntu is reliable, free and friendly - apparently not ? I'm not interested in comparing with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread alan c
Robin Menneer wrote: On 21/06/07, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:53 +0100, alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Travis wrote: alan c wrote: norman wrote: I believe that the very laudable efforts in promoting the use of Ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting alan c [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm happy to give Ubuntu to anyone I know - I know that I'm going to have less hassles than I get with the windows boxes I've installed! That is great! Unfortunately most of the non technical people I know would not even know what USB, or a modem was.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Scrase, Eddie wrote: Firefox should only install an extension without warning if the site is on it's trusted list, which defaults to just mozilla.org. Obviously this assumes that the attackers haven't hacked into Mozilla's site... Firefox will only install an extension from a trusted

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: 2) A link is setup from given directories in each app's jail to /downloads which is read only. How do I now upload my photos to some website, or any of the other myriad things which internet applications want to do that involves either reading or writing

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-21 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: 2) A link is setup from given directories in each app's jail to /downloads which is read only. How do I now upload my photos to some website, or any of the other myriad things which internet applications want to do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread norman
big, big snip Thank you for the encouragement. You're right, I'm elderly (and now sllow-witted), rural dwelling and socially immobile and therefore isolated. Most of the local LUG list is technically far above me but I live on in the belief that a direct query to a Ubuntu list will

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! That doesn't excuse regressions. I'm sure the QA team would love more help in reporting, tracking and solving them :) I would have to agree with norman though - FOSS brings people a lot of advantages and features

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu (linux) vulnerabilty?? Comment please

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: with SE-Linux, but it looks like it's gonna take a while to master... Indeed. I'm somewhat doubtful that the PolicyKit chaps can actually wrangle it into a useful form for a Desktop, at least without extensively bothering the user for privileges. I for one

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Users

2007-06-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
** Copy of blog post ** People may know me from the Ubuntu-UK loco team, especially IRC, i’m MooDoo in irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-uk, thats all well and good but there’s one thing - I don’t know you. With this in mind i’m in the process of creating Ubuntu Users [www.ubuntu-users.org], please note

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Users

2007-06-21 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: snip / Please leave your questions etc as comments on this blog and i’ll create the questionaire this weekend. URL? Please also reply to this email. mode style=AOL era=1990s type=chatroom girlBloke: HOW OLD R U??? ROTFLMAO :):):):) manNymph:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Users

2007-06-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu Jun 21 12:01 , Matthew Macdonald-Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please leave your questions etc as comments on this blog and i’ll create the questionaire this weekend. URL? Oops it's http://www.paulmellors.net :) --

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Users

2007-06-21 Thread Robin Menneer
On 21/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Copy of blog post ** People may know me from the Ubuntu-UK loco team, especially IRC, i'm MooDoo in irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-uk, thats all well and good but there's one thing - I don't know you. With this in mind i'm in the process of

[ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread norman
One of the many advantages of Ubuntu to old codgers like me and those of us who depend on our computer for passing the time is the vast range of free software and applications available to be tried and tested. Mostly these are easy to install and uninstall and generally work with the hardware we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
Quoting norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One of the many advantages of Ubuntu to old codgers like me and those of us who depend on our computer for passing the time is the vast range of free software and applications available to be tried and tested. Mostly these are easy to install and uninstall

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Louisa Parry
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 12:53 +0100, norman wrote: Come on Ubuntu users, let's hear of all the things you like to use and what gives you pleasure. Stop lurking and come out. Norman Inkscape makes various bits of me tingle. In a good way. So does Dasher. I am also quite a fan of the

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote: Automatix/Non-free codecs. At risk of getting a complete shoeing for this, I don't care about wether my computers are free of non-gnu software, I just want it to work. Automatix and the win32codecs give well automatix is dangerous, and everything it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Jose
On Thursday 21 June 2007 12:53, norman wrote: Come on Ubuntu users, let's hear of all the things you like to use and what gives you pleasure. Stop lurking and come out. Norman As well as general things such as email, I use my systems for Genealogy - using the excellent GRAMPS program and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Harrison
This may seem odd, but on the Feisty Laptop, I have precisely three applications that I use: - Firefox - Thunderbird - OpenOffice.org On the server, I have an awful lot more, but these days, it's the servers that are doing all the heavy lifting. Two years ago, we used lots of applications on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: Hi Tony Travis wrote: Believe me, Debian/Ubuntu is much, much easier to upgrade! That doesn't excuse regressions. I'm sure the QA team would love more help in reporting, tracking and solving them :) I would have to agree with norman though - FOSS brings people a lot

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Jim Kissel
norman wrote: One of the many advantages of Ubuntu to old codgers like me and those of us who depend on our computer for passing the time is the vast range of free software and applications available to be tried and tested. Mostly these are easy to install and uninstall and generally work

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Scrase, Eddie
Come on Ubuntu users, let's hear of all the things you like to use and what gives you pleasure. Stop lurking and come out. As a music lover, Amarok is the killer app on Linux for me. Even to the extent of running it (a KDE app) on Ubuntu's Gnome desktop. However, Exaile (a GTK app) is now

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: important. However, the 'backports' repository also means you can have the latest software under LTS if you want it. I would not recommend the some of the (almost) latest software, maybe. backports repositories certainly don't have everything and they are far less

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Kirrus
On 21/06/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the many advantages of Ubuntu to old codgers like me and those of us who depend on our computer for passing the time is the vast range of free software and applications available to be tried and tested. Mostly these are easy to install

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: Hi Tony Travis wrote: I don't dispute that, but what's the purpose of the LTS distribution? to be supported for a long time. If you bought a server or a workstation last year and want it to run for a few years and not have to worry about upgrading the whole OS, an LTS

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: I use 6.06.1 LTS for the reasons you state. I rest my case ;-) I was only disagreeing with you in the situation where the user's hardware is too new for the current LTS release, sorry, I wasn't especially clear about that. Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Skype

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Tony Travis wrote: What are other people's experience with Skype under Linux? I use it for several hours a day (unfortunately) and it's been quite painful. I pretty much have to reload it after each call. They do have a new beta out which has a significantly less annoying interface, but it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Skype

2007-06-21 Thread Josh Blacker
I've only used it a couple of times, but it worked fine for me - no complaints from the person the other end. Is it a built-in mic, and does it work with other audio-capture programmes? I guess those would be the two main issues to look. Josh On 6/21/07, Tony Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
norman wrote: It's really great to read about all the applications that folk use with Ubuntu. It makes a wonderful change from kicking Windows and expounding on its problems. Every time that that OS is mentioned it is drawing attention to it and this, all good and true Ubuntu users, do not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Rob Beard
norman wrote: Come on Ubuntu users, let's hear of all the things you like to use and what gives you pleasure. Stop lurking and come out. Norman Well on my desktop I'm still running Ubuntu Edgy (x86 version on an Athlon 64 3000+). I have a couple of Cron jobs setup to record some

Re: [ubuntu-uk] fit for the purpose

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: Hi Tony Travis wrote: I use 6.06.1 LTS for the reasons you state. I rest my case ;-) I was only disagreeing with you in the situation where the user's hardware is too new for the current LTS release, sorry, I wasn't especially clear about that. Hello, Chris. Are

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Jones
Hi Josh Blacker wrote: nostalgia of Worms :) I boot into XP to play Unreal Tournament, but wouldn't mind being able to play it from Ubuntu... Isn't it available? I have the Linux version of UT2004 and it works fine (shame it's not much fun ;) Cheers, -- Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Josh Blacker
On 6/21/07, norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Come on Ubuntu users, let's hear of all the things you like to use and what gives you pleasure. Stop lurking and come out. Norman Being fairly new to Ubuntu (a couple of months now?), I've not had that long to look around too much. I've used FF on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread norman
It's really great to read about all the applications that folk use with Ubuntu. It makes a wonderful change from kicking Windows and expounding on its problems. Every time that that OS is mentioned it is drawing attention to it and this, all good and true Ubuntu users, do not want. The motto

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Josh Blacker
Hi, On 6/21/07, Chris Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Josh Blacker wrote: nostalgia of Worms :) I boot into XP to play Unreal Tournament, but wouldn't mind being able to play it from Ubuntu... Isn't it available? I have the Linux version of UT2004 and it works fine (shame it's not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Jose
On Thursday 21 June 2007 17:30, Josh Blacker wrote: On the leisure side of things, I've played around with a few games but the only one I have really played with is Wormux, mainly for the nostalgia of Worms :) I boot into XP to play Unreal Tournament, but wouldn't mind being able to play it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Chris Rowson
I enjoy using Ubuntu because, like many others on the list I'm really impressed with the ability to quickly get and install good quality free programs! I use Dapper servers at work where I can (internet/intranet mostly), because unlike my Windows Server 2003 servers, I can just set them up and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Ian Pascoe
Hi Norman Well let's turn the tables on this thread - I use Windows in preference to Ubuntu! Now for those of you who didn't delete this mail straight away here's the reason why. As you may have gathered from a couple of other postings I've done I'm partially sighted and use screen readers a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Jose
On Thursday 21 June 2007 20:27, Ian Pascoe wrote: In fact here's a challenge for you all to do on those rainy evenings. Get Orca up and running - it's part of the Gnome desktop from 6.06 onwards - turn your monitors off, no cheating now, and have a go at doing some of your normal tasks to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Skype

2007-06-21 Thread Tony Travis
Chris Jones wrote: Hi Tony Travis wrote: What are other people's experience with Skype under Linux? I use it for several hours a day (unfortunately) and it's been quite painful. I pretty much have to reload it after each call. They do have a new beta out which has a significantly less

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Jose
On Thursday 21 June 2007 22:56, Chris Rowson wrote: A most interesting mail Ian. To familiarise myself with the issues I decided to take up the challenge of installing gnome-orca! Me too, I tried installing it too and the installation finishes with You need to configure ORCA by changing

Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

2007-06-21 Thread Andy
On 21/06/07, Ian Pascoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact here's a challenge for you all to do on those rainy evenings. Get Orca up and running - it's part of the Gnome desktop from 6.06 onwards - turn your monitors off, no cheating now, and have a go at doing some of your normal tasks to see