Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 22:07, alan c wrote: On 24/06/11 17:21, Ronnie Tucker wrote: How about a site/page where people who have Ubuntu installed could go for help. This site/page would have volunteers logged in and waiting for folks needing help This sounds pretty close to Ubuntuforums to me. I use this

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 20:01, Sarah Chard wrote: O n Fri, 2011-06-24 at 19:24 +0100, Paul Sutton wrote: we just need to co-ordinate efforts more. I agree with Paul - the wiki pages seem to have a lot of out of date info - which is quite off putting if you are coming in looking for an active community. w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 17:21, Ronnie Tucker wrote: How about a site/page where people who have Ubuntu installed could go for help. This site/page would have volunteers logged in and waiting for folks needing help This sounds pretty close to Ubuntuforums to me. I use this frequently to give support to oth

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:51, gazz wrote: I do think that people need face-to-face help and the LUG format doesn't work for most non-techies - and especially for women. Anxiety about who they'll turn to if it goes wrong is a big barrier for most people when thinking about adopting Ubuntu. Very true. It is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:11 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on > ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- > > * Support > * Advocacy > * Promotion > * Events > > I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. > > So,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 19:24, Paul Sutton wrote: On 24/06/11 10:11, Alan Pope wrote: As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- * Support * Advocacy * Promotion * Events I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:51, gazz wrote: I do think that people need face-to-face help and the LUG format doesn't work for most non-techies - and especially for women. Anxiety about who they'll turn to if it goes wrong is a big barrier for most people when thinking about adopting Ubuntu. We've been workin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:47, Alan Bell wrote: stuff not in London is probably a bit of a weakness. London is kind of convenient by train from everywhere so it is generally a reasonable place to do things, but I think it would be great for people in other cities to organise things local to them. That might

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

The UK team should be talking to Universities and other public services, doing advocacy and trying to figure out what the obstacles to the adoption of free software are, and how they can be overcome. In fact, it's something I'd like to do myself. Carlos Ferreira -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com http

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:09, Alan Bell wrote: Just like the Yellow Pages, or any other means of selecting a vendor that does not include a reputation based scoring system. We could build our own vendor catalogue with pre-qualification requirements and a reputation system, but lets use what is already there

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 10:11, Alan Pope wrote: As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- * Support * Advocacy * Promotion * Events I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. So, simple question:- "As a team, what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

O n Fri, 2011-06-24 at 19:24 +0100, Paul Sutton wrote: > we just need to co-ordinate efforts more. > I agree with Paul - the wiki pages seem to have a lot of out of date info - which is quite off putting if you are coming in looking for an active community. it would be great to have more poste

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 10:46, john beddard wrote: Start a Social Enterprise that supports Ubuntu LoCo set up and operation. Including support for promotional materials and partner training. Then make this a template for further Social Enterprise start ups. Funny you should mention that, it is one of my l

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 10:26, Alan Bell wrote: personally I think we should be getting companies to sponsor stuff, but I don't think we should be holding money at all. If we want to do something that needs money get someone to pay for it directly, that cuts out a heap of problems and lets us do pretty much

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 17:47, Avi Greenbury wrote: Ronnie Tucker wrote: How about a site/page where people who have Ubuntu installed could go for help. This site/page would have volunteers logged in and waiting for folks needing help. When the person needing help types something into a text box on the page

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 10:11, Alan Pope wrote: > As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on > ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- > > * Support > * Advocacy > * Promotion > * Events > > I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. > > So, simple question

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Ronnie Tucker wrote: How about a site/page where people who have Ubuntu installed could go for help. This site/page would have volunteers logged in and waiting for folks needing help. When the person needing help types something into a text box on the page, or picks a problem from a list, the vol

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

The idea (below) from scoundrel50a got me thinking. How about a site/page where people who have Ubuntu installed could go for help. This site/page would have volunteers logged in and waiting for folks needing help. When the person needing help types something into a text box on the page, or pi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] influence in education

Hi! I sympathise Paul. There are poor tutors out there, and having a qualification is no absolute guarantee of quality. On 24/06/11 09:26, Paul Sutton wrote: > On 24/06/11 09:12, alan c wrote: >> On 23/06/11 17:41, Bea Groves wrote: >>> Can I say I'm teaching a full-length (i.e. 10 x 2 hours) una

Re: [ubuntu-uk] influence in education

Hi! Yeah, the rules are pretty strict these days about who can teach on state-funded provision, and a recognised teaching qualification is deffo needed. What you probably need is a friendly (qualified) tutor with Ubuntu experience; sadly they're as common as hen's teeth. On 24/06/11 09:12, alan

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: The point about this particular application (Hyperion) was that it was one RECOMMENDED by the vendor of our ERM as being the best one! Well, if they're supporting the entire environment I suppose that's alright then. But, in that case, you had no need to involve IT

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24/06/2011 10:14, Avi Greenbury wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Hello, On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 03:26:43PM +0100, Laura Czajkowski wrote: > I also for non techy meet ups, bit of fun and getting to know the folks > on the List/IRC the Ubuntu UK community! Be it a pub, Geeknic, Bowling > or outing of some sort. I think this is a good idea also. Cheers, Andy s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/06/11 14:21, Matthew Daubney wrote: > What about writing letters to local papers such as "I would like to raise > the profile of , a local event where people can come and discuss > the possibilities of computing and learn how to help others by us

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

What about writing letters to local papers such as "I would like to raise the profile of , a local event where people can come and discuss the possibilities of computing and learn how to help others by using open source software." or somesuch. Did wonder if anyone was going to run an Oggcamp campa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 12:20 +0100, a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote: > > When I did support, i lost count of the number of times I had to > explain why a new app would take 6 months to get onto the platform. > Hahaha, yes, it drives me mad when people look at me like I'm just being difficult

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 12:53 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > I would certainly want to support individuals who want to do that type > of thing as a small local business venture. Get yourself on the > marketplace and go for it: > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ > > I think we should get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24 June 2011 10:11, Alan Pope wrote: > As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on > ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- > > * Support > * Advocacy > * Promotion > * Events > > I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. > > So, simple questi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

stuff not in London is probably a bit of a weakness. London is kind of convenient by train from everywhere so it is generally a reasonable place to do things, but I think it would be great for people in other cities to organise things local to them. That might be pub/cafe meetups, geeknics, ins

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24 June 2011 10:11, Alan Pope wrote: > As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on > ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- > > * Support > * Advocacy > * Promotion > * Events > > I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. > > So, simple questi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:34, Alan Bell wrote: Well, I was thinking more about continuation of support from the IRC channels. You know most people on there are legit. no, you don't. Ok, I can name about half a dozen people on IRC Ubuntu-uk that are trustworthy, that I know from personal experience. So

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:34, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/06/11 13:28, scoundrel50a wrote: On 24/06/11 13:16, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/06/11 13:04, scoundrel50a wrote: Well, I was thinking more about continuation of support from the IRC channels. You know most people on there are legit. no, you don't. Ok,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Alan Pope wrote: "As a team, what should we be doing within the UK?" Going to the pub more. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:28, scoundrel50a wrote: On 24/06/11 13:16, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/06/11 13:04, scoundrel50a wrote: Well, I was thinking more about continuation of support from the IRC channels. You know most people on there are legit. no, you don't. Ok, I can name about half a dozen people

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:16, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/06/11 13:04, scoundrel50a wrote: Well, I was thinking more about continuation of support from the IRC channels. You know most people on there are legit. no, you don't. Ok, I can name about half a dozen people on IRC Ubuntu-uk that are trustworthy,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

top posting On 24/06/11 13:13, scoundrel50a wrote: Ok, sorry, am not sure if we are bottom posting or top posting, its appeared both in consecutive e-mails. or bottom posting, it is all the same to me. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://w

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:04, scoundrel50a wrote: Well, I was thinking more about continuation of support from the IRC channels. You know most people on there are legit. no, you don't. So after a certain period of time, for a sum, if it is getting nowhere on the channel, paid support could be offered.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Ok, sorry, am not sure if we are bottom posting or top posting, its appeared both in consecutive e-mails. That isnt what I was getting at, its kind of missing the point. Personally, I wouldnt go any near a list unless somebody was recommended. Been stung a few times already I am talk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Just like the Yellow Pages, or any other means of selecting a vendor that does not include a reputation based scoring system. We could build our own vendor catalogue with pre-qualification requirements and a reputation system, but lets use what is already there for now, and if anyone wants to c

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 13:01, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 24/06/11 12:53, Alan Bell wrote: > I would certainly want to support individuals who want to do that type > of thing as a small local business venture. Get yourself on the > marketplace and go for it: > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europ

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 24/06/11 12:53, Alan Bell wrote: > I would certainly want to support individuals who want to do that type > of thing as a small local business venture. Get yourself on the > marketplace and go for it: > http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Ok, I been thinking about this for a while, since somebody helped me a short while ago, with this backlight problem, by using ssh to access my computer. I spent somewhere in the region of about 8 hours asking various people to help, on I think it was three different Ubuntu channels. We were goi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

I would certainly want to support individuals who want to do that type of thing as a small local business venture. Get yourself on the marketplace and go for it: http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/ I think we should get the UK bit of the marketplace app exposed on the ubuntu-uk.org w

[ubuntu-uk] School websites

The following comment was made... "Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we can benefit from it, the IT de

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

What about paid immediate support for those like myself that have no other forms of support available. Windows has a immediate paid support for problems, where they can connect to your computer and fix what ever your problem is. I am not sure what Windows charges now, as I havent had to look, b

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24 June 2011 10:03, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > ** > Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? > Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a > SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I > think we can be

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 10:11 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: > "As a team, what should we be doing within the UK?" > "UK Team should seek monetary sponsorship from companies and > individuals, and invest that sponsorship money in Ubuntu related > projects and events in the UK" Monetary sponsorship - defini

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

Start a Social Enterprise that supports Ubuntu LoCo set up and operation. Including support for promotional materials and partner training. Then make this a template for further Social Enterprise start ups. I will contact Teesside, Durham and Newcastle Unis about installfest idea. Although will ha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

personally I think we should be getting companies to sponsor stuff, but I don't think we should be holding money at all. If we want to do something that needs money get someone to pay for it directly, that cuts out a heap of problems and lets us do pretty much the same things. One thing I real

Re: [ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

On 24/06/11 10:11, Alan Pope wrote: As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- * Support * Advocacy * Promotion * Events I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. So, simple question:- "As a team, what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24 June 2011 10:03, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > ** > On 24/06/2011 08:52, Sean Miller wrote: > > On 24 June 2011 08:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > >> As an example - in a quoted UK IT sector company, we (the Group Finance >> Dept) decided that we wanted a reporting tool to sit on top o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we can benefit from it, the IT dept shouldn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24/06/2011 10:03, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Not so. How can the IT dept evaluate a FINANCIAL reporting application? Especially an internationally-recognised market leader? The IT dept is a SERVICE dept. If the MD says "I want such and such a software because I think we can benefit from it,

[ubuntu-uk] What aren't we doing? What should we be doing?

As a team we do "stuff" for the Ubuntu. Most of this stuff is based on ideas a few people have had within the team. This includes:- * Support * Advocacy * Promotion * Events I figured it's time to get some fresh ideas. So, simple question:- "As a team, what should we be doing within the UK?" W

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24/06/2011 08:52, Sean Miller wrote: On 24 June 2011 08:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker > wrote: As an example - in a quoted UK IT sector company, we (the Group Finance Dept) decided that we wanted a reporting tool to sit on top of JD Edwards, our ERM software

Re: [ubuntu-uk] influence in education

On 24/06/11 09:12, alan c wrote: On 23/06/11 17:41, Bea Groves wrote: Can I say I'm teaching a full-length (i.e. 10 x 2 hours) unaccredited course for adults entitled 'Introduction to Linux' for North Tyneside Adult Learning Alliance next year. Date and time are still to be Well done you! I ha

Re: [ubuntu-uk] influence in education

On 23/06/11 17:41, Bea Groves wrote: Can I say I'm teaching a full-length (i.e. 10 x 2 hours) unaccredited course for adults entitled 'Introduction to Linux' for North Tyneside Adult Learning Alliance next year. Date and time are still to be Well done you! I have a local adult learning centre n

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 24 June 2011 08:45, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: > As an example - in a quoted UK IT sector company, we (the Group Finance > Dept) decided that we wanted a reporting tool to sit on top of JD Edwards, > our ERM software. After research we decided on Hyperion which is (or was 15 > years ago) one

Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites

On 23/06/2011 23:27, Avi wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: RM and their ilk are acting like 1980's IT depts...they allow only what softwareTHEY approve of. Perhaps I'm missing the point here but I'm intrigued - how to these 'modern' IT departments manage letting people run whatever they like?