On 30/04/12 19:55, James Morrissey wrote:
I found U1 to be very good with smallish files and a bit burdened with large
files - I experimented with zipped files of 2GB or more, which would be
useful for me. From Ubuntu 11.10 it was not too bad but it was hard to keep
track of what stage it
On 29/04/12 22:54, alan c wrote:
There are strong moves to make Ubuntu good for a vast user base, but
many existing users are diy users like my 80+ friend, and in terms of
a discussion list like this one, they are novices and do not know
what, say, a partition is, like most Windows users
On 29/04/12 22:54, alan c wrote:
On 29/04/12 21:04, Alan Bell wrote:
it says do you want to upgrade? and you can say yes or no to it.
Clearly yes is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage
people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience
better (which is the aim
Big clear warnings get a +1 from me - I was in #ubuntu and on the Ubuntu
Forums the last few days and have noticed others have also been screwed by
the upgrade - A lot of people assume it's safe, a lot of people have lost a
lot of data attempting it.
People also need a clear warning to backup
On 30 April 2012 09:35, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote:
...
http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/upgradepics/offer.png
http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/upgradepics/confirm.png
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have a warning on one of these that
all important data should be backed up
People also need a clear warning to backup their system - we assume it's
common sense, but apparently most don't.
People need a clear warning to backup their data (not system) at all times.
Not just when upgrading. I have never ever had a failure upgrading Debian
or Ubuntu - but I have had a
On 30 April 2012 11:15, Andy Braben andybra...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Backing up is important and vital at all times - not just for an upgrade. I
do not have a lot of sympathy for users who never ever backup, and never
enters their heads to do so. To me it is vitally important - I keep backups
Hi folks,
Looking at those screenshots, there is one GLARING omission... the
default radio button is YES - I do want to upgrade. With the risk
for non-technical users, surely this should have the default radio
button (which actions when you hit Return) set as NO.
This way, upgrades are a
On 30/04/12 12:20, a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
Hi folks,
Looking at those screenshots, there is one GLARING omission... the
default radio button is YES - I do want to upgrade. With the risk
for non-technical users, surely this should have the default radio
button (which actions when
Whoops - forgot to say what I DID learn the hard way.
When I accepted the upgrade from ubuntu 10.04 alpha to 10.04 LTS, I
had my mouse plugged in - the build then wouldn't read either my
mouse or the onboard trackpad.
I didn't make this mistake when upgrading the 910 instance on this
or my
hi Alan,
well it doesn't hose the system, it upgrades it to newer and better
stuff. Yeah - but from the perspective of the average non-tech user
(who was just hitting Next Next Next so they could go to cBeebies - a
major upgrade DOES need to be a deliberate action
(return return
I think the suggestion by kpb for a direct LTS - LTS upgrade path is
inspired. I have successfully encouraged a number of low tech users to move
from Windows and always put them onto the current LTS for the sake of
stability, with excellent results. It would be very good for the image of
I think that the passage
When upgrading from a previous release, it is always a good idea to [[
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving | move
/home]], it gives additional safe guards for your own data. In any case,
taking a backup is recommended.
Should be, placed
SNIP
Update = minor updates to existing software, no big changes.
Upgrade = major upgrade of the whole system, including new software
versions, possibly significant changes in UI, needs a lot more time to
do, etc. If worded correctly, it could act as a warning that it's an
operation that
On 30 April 2012 13:32, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
I think that the passage
When upgrading from a previous release, it is always a good idea to
[[https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving | move /home]],
it gives additional safe guards for your own data. In any
On 30 April 2012 13:33, MS m...@hipcat2.plus.com wrote:
SNIP
Update = minor updates to existing software, no big changes.
Upgrade = major upgrade of the whole system, including new software
versions, possibly significant changes in UI, needs a lot more time to
do, etc. If worded
I'd love to see how you re-install without touching /home if it is NOT a
seperate partition which is the whole point of that link? Secondly, taking
a backup oh your /home partition once you have it is 'walk in the park'.
Thirdly, it is at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntuWhich
On 30 April 2012 14:04, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
I'd love to see how you re-install without touching /home if it is NOT a
seperate partition which is the whole point of that link?
The link is out of date. Since a couple of releases ago if you select
the Something Else option at
On 30/04/12 09:35, Alan Bell wrote:
easily confuse an up'date' with an up'grade'.
Whereas updates are usually fairly safe, upgrades are not.
that is the bit that needs fixing, an upgrade should be as safe as an
update.
Hi Alan
There are *two* bits that need fixing not only the one bit!
On 30/04/12 13:49, Colin Law wrote:
On 30 April 2012 13:33, MSm...@hipcat2.plus.com wrote:
SNIP
Update = minor updates to existing software, no big changes.
Upgrade = major upgrade of the whole system, including new software
versions, possibly significant changes in UI, needs a lot
On 30/04/12 10:57, Daniel Case wrote:
Big clear warnings get a +1 from me - I was in #ubuntu and on the Ubuntu
Forums the last few days and have noticed others have also been screwed by
the upgrade - A lot of people assume it's safe, a lot of people have lost a
lot of data attempting it.
People
I think you under-estimate those who have been using *buntu for a while.
They're more canny than a lot give credit to. For example we have a fairly
n00b who just came onto IRC questioning why the upgrade wanted to install
2-zillion packages Good old
On 30/04/12 11:14, Colin Law wrote:
On 30 April 2012 09:35, Alan Bellalanb...@ubuntu.com wrote:
...
http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/upgradepics/offer.png
http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/upgradepics/confirm.png
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to have a warning on one of these that
all
if it is
capped. Better than loosing the lot.
Cheers
Original Message
From: alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com
To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:38:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04
On 30/04/12 10:57, Daniel Case wrote:
Big clear warnings get a +1
I been following this because I posted on here a couple of days ago,
about me having screwed my installation...well I managed to find
somebody willing to help, and got talked through the actual
installation, and instead of installing over, just installing the
package and keeping my home
On 30/04/12 15:02, k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote:
Hello All
Hum backups
Ubuntu One accounts get 5Gb free. I'm wondering if an option to
automatically sync the Documents folder with Ubuntu One might help
people not loose lots of work? I know it is getting into Google
Chrome OS territory, and,
On 30/04/12 15:03, scoundrel50a wrote:
I been following this because I posted on here a couple of days ago,
about me having screwed my installation...well I managed to find
somebody willing to help, and got talked through the actual
installation, and instead of installing over, just
Hello
Glad you got your install sorted out.
I'm trying to install Ubuntu One now. It's been sitting there for about 25
minutes doing nothing. The coffee bar I'm in now can do 1mb/s on download, I
abuse it often (noone else uses a laptop in here)
I'd hoped things had improved since the last
On 30/04/2012 15:13, alan c wrote:
On 30/04/12 15:03, scoundrel50a wrote:
I been following this because I posted on here a couple of days ago,
about me having screwed my installation...well I managed to find
somebody willing to help, and got talked through the actual
installation, and
I'm trying to install Ubuntu One now. It's been sitting there for about 25
minutes doing nothing. The coffee bar I'm in now can do 1mb/s on download, I
abuse it often (noone else uses a laptop in here)
I had some similar problems on both of the machines on which i tried
an install. I
ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04
I'm trying to install Ubuntu One now. It's been sitting there for about 25
minutes doing nothing. The coffee bar I'm in now can do 1mb/s on download, I
abuse it often (noone else uses a laptop in here)
I had some similar
Hi All
On 30 April 2012 15:10, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:
On 30/04/12 15:02, k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote:
Hello All
Hum backups
Ubuntu One accounts get 5Gb free. I'm wondering if an option to
automatically sync the Documents folder with Ubuntu One might help
people not
On 30/04/12 11:29, Colin Law wrote:
On 30 April 2012 11:15, Andy Braben andybra...@gmail.com wrote:
...
Backing up is important and vital at all times - not just for an upgrade. I
do not have a lot of sympathy for users who never ever backup, and never
enters their heads to do so. To me it is
] Upgrading to 12.04
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On 30 April 2012 16:52, Keith Burnett k...@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote:
Hello Tony
Sorry about 'chap', no offense meant.
No offense was taken. Keith
It would be good if the upgrade process was better than it is for people.
As Alan C is always emphasising as Ubuntu gets on consumer devices,
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:38:49 +0100, alan c
aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote,
perhaps among other things:
On 30/04/12 10:57, Daniel Case wrote:
Big clear warnings get a +1 from me - I was in #ubuntu and on the Ubuntu
Forums the last few days and have noticed others have also been screwed by
the
On 30/04/12 16:00, Tony Pursell wrote:
I would be keen on keeping with 12.04 LTS until the next LTS, but I
know I will lose out on upgrades to packages like LO. If I were on
Windows, there would be no problem getting the next LO release. I
hope developers will look at getting more package
On 30/04/12 15:48, Keith Burnett wrote:
Hi James
No, its just like last time. Two shift-alt-SysRq-b restarts later
I've purged ubuntuone-client. I use dropbox to sync PC to netbook,
which is horribly hassle free in comparison.
It is a shame that I can't brag about Ubuntu One. I appreciate that
I found U1 to be very good with smallish files and a bit burdened with large
files - I experimented with zipped files of 2GB or more, which would be
useful for me. From Ubuntu 11.10 it was not too bad but it was hard to keep
track of what stage it was at in a long upload process - my down / up
I'm also not keen on the 'do a re-install' mantra. Its great if you
have a minimal system, like I had on my netbook, but my desktop has
loads of extras installed that I would have to remember and re-install.
i am of the same opinion.
Wasn't there the apt on CD thing? And also you could
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today as the questions
were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on board. There are
a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed their system by trying
to do an upgrade. This is exactly the problem I had when upgrading my
netbook,
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today
where exactly?
as the questions were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on
board. There are a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed
their system by trying to do an upgrade. This is
On 29/04/12 18:58, Alan Bell wrote:
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today
where exactly?
Launchpad - at :https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu This is not
somewhere I usually lurk but it was so overwhelmed that I thought I'd
put my two
On 29/04/12 19:37, Barry Drake wrote:
On 29/04/12 18:58, Alan Bell wrote:
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today
where exactly?
Launchpad - at :https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu This is not
somewhere I usually lurk but it was so
On 29/04/12 20:11, Bruno Girin wrote:
I did. On two machines with no problem. I don't think upgrading to 12.04
is disastrous. I think two things are happening:
1. Ubuntu has a very wide user base with a lot of different configs so
even if 1% of users have issues, it will appear as a very large
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today as the questions
were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on board. There are
a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed their system by trying
to do an upgrade. This is exactly the
On 29/04/12 20:54, alan c wrote:
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today as the questions
were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on board. There are
a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed their system by trying
to do an
Hi All
On 29 April 2012 19:37, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote:
On 29/04/12 18:58, Alan Bell wrote:
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote:
I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today
where exactly?
Launchpad - at
On 29/04/12 21:04, Alan Bell wrote:
it says do you want to upgrade? and you can say yes or no to it.
Clearly yes is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage
people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience
better (which is the aim of it, sometimes that doesn't work
On 29/04/12 22:54, alan c wrote:
On 29/04/12 21:04, Alan Bell wrote:
it says do you want to upgrade? and you can say yes or no to it.
Clearly yes is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage
people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience
better (which is the
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