Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-02-18 Thread Matthew Daubney
Hello! Sorry for leaving this for so long, but life has been excessively busy. However, after reading through all the feedback from the list, and having sat down and had a bit of a think, I'd like to attempt a training event at Oggcamp. I have two ideas I'd like bounce past people. The first is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-02-18 Thread Ciarán Mooney
Hi, Python for Nonprogrammers session. Bit of a bring a laptop and have a go type thing. Brilliant idea! I had lots of trouble trying to start programming and still struggle now. Most of the courses I have attended or guides I have read have been very much aimed at Computer Scientists with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-02-18 Thread Anthony Burton
Python for Nonprogrammers session - Excellent Idea Matt, I am a developer with experience in Python and I will be attending OGG camp, I'd be happy to lend a hand, say lead a small group or something, anythig really just happy to help. Ant Burton - _64k -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-02-18 Thread Joe O'Dell
The Python for Non-Programmers sounds like a great thing - I have no experience/knowledge regarding Python whatsoever, so I would quite enjoy to give you a had! Regards, --- Joe O'Dell Fedora Contributor (FreeMedia)

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-02-18 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 18/02/10 09:29, Matthew Daubney wrote: snip / I have two ideas I'd like bounce past people. The first is a practical Python for Nonprogrammers session. Bit of a bring a laptop and have a go type thing. That's *almost* enough to tempt me to go all the way to Liverpool! A thoroughly

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-23 Thread Ashley Whetter
I'm guessing it's down to WEEE, under which many companies are scared of their kit being found irresponsibly disposed of and being traced back to them. This is why I can't get any from college. There are numerous health and safety reasons why they can't give them away as well though. I will

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-23 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On training something like this sounds good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays Thanks for Isabell Long for finding this :) Perhaps we can use the training materials. Paul - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Ubuntu 9.10 is out : Visit www.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-23 Thread Steve
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:27:09 -, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On training something like this sounds good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays Thanks for Isabell Long for finding this :) Perhaps we can use the training materials. I’ve

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-23 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:27:09 -, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On training something like this sounds good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays Thanks for Isabell Long for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-23 Thread Steve
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:39:09 -, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve wrote: On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:27:09 -, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On training something like this sounds

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-22 Thread Rob Beard
Quoting alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: Rob Beard wrote: A friend of mine has asked me to sort out 2 laptops, one is a P3 800 with 192MB Ram and the other is a P3 733 with 128MB Ram, as you probably already know, an increase in ram on this class of machine will make a vast difference in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-22 Thread Avi Greenbury
Joe O'Dell wrote: The not for giving away in the UK sounds a bit dubious to me, but it doesnt matter, as long as the PCs got a good home! I'm guessing it's down to WEEE, under which many companies are scared of their kit being found irresponsibly disposed of and being traced back to them. I've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-22 Thread Steve
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:07:18 -, Avi Greenbury avismailinglistacco...@googlemail.com wrote: Joe O'Dell wrote: The not for giving away in the UK sounds a bit dubious to me, but it doesnt matter, as long as the PCs got a good home! I'm guessing it's down to WEEE, under which many

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-22 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bruno Girin wrote: On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 23:09 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hey All, This was discussed at the last meeting, but I'm slow and should have put this up sooner. One thing that was discussed was the idea of doing some real life

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-22 Thread Barry Titterton
On Fri, 2010-01-22 at 09:52 +, Rob Beard wrote: Quoting alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: Rob Beard wrote: A friend of mine has asked me to sort out 2 laptops, one is a P3 800 with 192MB Ram and the other is a P3 733 with 128MB Ram, as you probably already know, an increase in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-22 Thread Rob Beard
Barry Titterton wrote: Rob, I have a Toshiba S1800 (P3 1 Gig 512 Ram) that was running Ubuntu until my son fried the CMOS chip, now it will not boot. I was going to try and sell it for spares as the screen and power supply are still working, but you are welcome to the ram chip, or chips as

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Bruno Girin
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 10:08 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: [snip] Ok, last night I had a quite productive chat to the Learning team. They are in the process of creating some course ware, and have already created some bits and pieces. They seem to be more than happy for us to use this, and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rob Beard
Quoting Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk: Ok, last night I had a quite productive chat to the Learning team. They are in the process of creating some course ware, and have already created some bits and pieces. They seem to be more than happy for us to use this, and even create more if we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Dianne Reuby
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 09:04 +, Alan Bell wrote: Overall this is a great idea. I think we need to clarify who this is aimed at. Off the top of my head I can think of three broad categories: Individuals wanting to run a proper operating system at home People wanting to introduce Ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rob Beard
Quoting Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk: Beginners are not the easiest people to teach to. I would suggest starting with some moderately advanced topics like how to package an app for Ubuntu. I was hoping to avoid this if possible. There is a _lot_ of stuff on these already, and people

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rob Beard
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:08:31PM +, Dianne Reuby wrote: Another target group includes people who are still running XP, using an older machine. Their PC is working fine, so why should they buy a new one? Why should they upgrade from XP when it does what they want, but isn't supported

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Joe O'Dell
snip Still with all the new rules on electronics disposal, and the positive press, maybe some of us may be able to get donations of old PCs from businesses as they upgrade. Just a thought. snip Rob snip Rob, that sounds a great idea The best place to ask would be local schools and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Ashley Whetter
Still with all the new rules on electronics disposal, and the positive press, maybe some of us may be able to get donations of old PCs from businesses as they upgrade. Just a thought. If needed, we have a load of old computers at college that are not being transferred to our new building

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 17:14 +, Dianne Reuby pramc...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Another target group includes people who are still running XP, using an older machine. Their PC is working fine, so why should they buy a new one? Why should they upgrade from XP when it does what they want, but isn't

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On this, as mentioned before there is a manual availble from the ubuntu site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training its in pdf, Its also for 8.04 I assume (and hope) it will be updated for 10.04 as that is the next lts release. any comments on update

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rob Beard
Joe O'Dell wrote: Still with all the new rules on electronics disposal, and the positive press, maybe some of us may be able to get donations of old PCs from businesses as they upgrade. Just a thought. snip Rob, that sounds a great idea The best place to ask would be local schools and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rob Beard
Rowan Berkeley wrote: I've got an old XP laptop on the shelf, and I've got live CDs for Ubuntu 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04, but I can't figure out how to set the BIOS to boot from CD on startup, because it's a Sony VAIO, and the bottom right hand part of the screen is broken, so I can't see which keys

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 My old school recently got 100+ new laptops, so the old ones may also be free to a good home - I shall email and see! Indeed, laptops are good for mobile training, :) are you looking at getting all 100+ laptops. Not that I need another one,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Bruno Girin
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 17:22 +, Rob Beard wrote: [snip] Something else which might be worth mentioning, a friend of mine in our local LUG came up with an idea of doing a complete training course, for a small fee to cover room hire we were looking at providing a free PC running Ubuntu.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Rob Beard
Bruno Girin wrote: On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 17:22 +, Rob Beard wrote: [snip] Something else which might be worth mentioning, a friend of mine in our local LUG came up with an idea of doing a complete training course, for a small fee to cover room hire we were looking at providing a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sods law though, after having hardly any work over the past couple of months, I've just started contracting, so I've had to put my plans on hold somewhat. Rob I am sure once we get this rolling though (when you are free) then we may

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-21 Thread alan c
Rob Beard wrote: A friend of mine has asked me to sort out 2 laptops, one is a P3 800 with 192MB Ram and the other is a P3 733 with 128MB Ram, as you probably already know, an increase in ram on this class of machine will make a vast difference in performance -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-20 Thread Matthew Daubney
On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 00:38 +, Bruno Girin wrote: On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 18:43 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: [snip] Beginners are not the easiest people to teach to. I would suggest starting with some moderately advanced topics like how to package an app for Ubuntu. I was

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-20 Thread Alan Pope
2010/1/16 Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk: I've put up an idea in the ideas pool[0], and started an etherpad[1]. Does anyone else have any experience of running these kind of things who would like to lend their expertise? What do people think would work best in this scenario? Please

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-20 Thread Matthew Daubney
On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 11:34 +, Alan Pope wrote: 2010/1/16 Matthew Daubney m...@daubers.co.uk: I've put up an idea in the ideas pool[0], and started an etherpad[1]. Does anyone else have any experience of running these kind of things who would like to lend their expertise? What do people

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-19 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 18/01/10 16:06, Bruno Girin wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 12:03 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: On 17/01/10 04:08, Bruno Girin wrote: [snip] In terms of material, I agree that there's no point in having a slide deck as trainees will promptly forget the content. Furthermore

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-19 Thread Bruno Girin
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 18:43 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: [snip] Beginners are not the easiest people to teach to. I would suggest starting with some moderately advanced topics like how to package an app for Ubuntu. I was hoping to avoid this if possible. There is a _lot_ of stuff on

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-18 Thread Bruno Girin
On Sun, 2010-01-17 at 12:03 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: On 17/01/10 04:08, Bruno Girin wrote: [snip] In terms of material, I agree that there's no point in having a slide deck as trainees will promptly forget the content. Furthermore it requires a projector, which is more equipment to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-18 Thread etali
On 18/01/2010 16:06, Bruno Girin wrote: Beginners are not the easiest people to teach to. I would suggest starting with some moderately advanced topics like how to package an app for Ubuntu. That would enable us to rehearse the process with trainees who already know the environment, know what

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread mac
Bruno Girin wrote: I've given technical training in the past and would be happy to help. I was impressed with the thoroughness of your summary, Bruno. Seems to me you noted most of the elements, and outlined the relevant options. Rather than us engaging in a long discussion, I wondered if it

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Jon Spriggs
I have forwarded the e-mail to the uk-hackspaces mailing list, as there are several regional hackspaces across the UK (London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds) who may be able to help - in some cases with venue and in others with knowledge. Regards -- Jon The Nice Guy Spriggs LPIC-1

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Alan Bell
Overall this is a great idea. I think we need to clarify who this is aimed at. Off the top of my head I can think of three broad categories: Individuals wanting to run a proper operating system at home People wanting to introduce Ubuntu into their workplace Students wanting to use it in their

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Joe
I wondered if an option to deal with this might be to offer a short series of evening class at the local high school (many of which run 'recreational' evening classes), or approach the University of the Third Age or the Workers Educational Association to offer a short course. That sounds

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 17/01/10 04:08, Bruno Girin wrote: snippy snip snip I've given technical training in the past and would be happy to help. The first question is what type of training are we aiming for? It may be easier to start with short sessions that can be done over a few hours, either in the evenings

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread alan c
Joe wrote: However, it may be difficult to convince whatever training centre we use to install Ubuntu on their computers so it could be worth having a number of live USB keys with a fresh install of Ubuntu and training material on them. I agree, especially at my school, there would be no

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Steve
On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:32:33 -, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Joe wrote: However, it may be difficult to convince whatever training centre we use to install Ubuntu on their computers so it could be worth having a number of live USB keys with a fresh install of Ubuntu and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Jon Spriggs
Just a quick comment about the style of training. There are four styles of learning, which someone will naturally fall into. These, typically are put onto a cross-hairs style graph. Theory first Practical second Instructor Experimentation Lead.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Colin Law
2010/1/17 Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:32:33 -, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Joe wrote: However, it may be difficult to convince whatever training centre we use to install Ubuntu on their computers so it could be worth having a number of live

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Matthew Daubney
On 17/01/10 13:20, Colin Law wrote: 2010/1/17 Steveyorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:32:33 -, alan caecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Joe wrote: However, it may be difficult to convince whatever training centre we use to install Ubuntu

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread Joe O'Dell
On 17/01/10 13:20, Colin Law wrote: 2010/1/17 Steveyorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com: On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:32:33 -, alan caecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Joe wrote: However, it may be difficult to convince whatever training centre we use to install Ubuntu on their computers

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread alan c
Matthew Daubney wrote: Hey All, This was discussed at the last meeting, but I'm slow and should have put this up sooner. One thing that was discussed was the idea of doing some real life training for people who are new to Ubuntu, through to those who consider themselves experts. I've

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-17 Thread etali
On 17/01/2010 08:09, mac wrote: I wondered if an option to deal with this might be to offer a short series of evening class at the local high school (many of which run 'recreational' evening classes), or approach the University of the Third Age or the Workers Educational Association to offer

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Possible Training Events

2010-01-16 Thread Bruno Girin
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 23:09 +, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hey All, This was discussed at the last meeting, but I'm slow and should have put this up sooner. One thing that was discussed was the idea of doing some real life training for people who are new to Ubuntu, through to those who