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Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:41 PM
To: Tex Texin; 'Doug Ewell'; 'Unicode Mailing List'
Cc: 'Karl Williamson'
Subject: RE: Best practices for replacing UTF-8 overlongs
IMO, bad bytes == corruption. At
If there is a short sequence of invalid bytes presumed to be one character,
then one vs several replacement characters may not matter. But if it were a
longer sequence that might have been several invalidly coded characters, then
multiple replacement characters would give a more correct represen
I would have to check to see whether they are actually used, but I suspect
using stars in RTL markets is not the best choice of symbols...
When you look at the number of symbols used for ratings or more general
valuations, rather than adding horizontal and vertical shading for each of
them, it
Non-breaking snake is English for Kashida right?
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See
http://xkcd.com/1676/
(making sure to look at
Apparently, “killing” isn’t threatening but the emojis are. I think this is
because the schools and police believe the emojis are functions on their cell
phones which might actually detonate, shoot or stab.
The problem is with the reporter who headlined with the use of emojis as if
that wer
Why do so many of the threads on this list seem best described as wheels coming
off the bus? (Where is the emoji for that?)
It is all too common for a thread to start, its appropriateness questioned, and
then meta, policy and legalistic analysis ensue to no real end.
I understand we often enter
Or to put it another way, you are inventing what is essentially another markup
language.
If you are going to tag text with styling, why not just use one of the many
existing markup schemes used in html, bulletin boards, wiki, etc.?
tex
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True, however as William points out, apparently the rules have changed, so it
isn’t unreasonable to ask again whether the rules now allow it, or if people
that dismissed the idea in the past would now consider it.
Personally, I think this is the wrong place for it, and as has been suggested
Since it isn’t cp1252 nor iso8859, perhaps call it whatwg-latin or whatwg-1.
If, or when, 1252 is updated to assign a character to an undefined
codepoint, it will be problematic to have them both refer to 1252.
For example, if a new currency symbol is added in Latin America, as has been
discussed
Very sad to read this.
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I know a bit about the IVS, I just want to be clear on how you see it bearing
on this.
thanks.
(I am traveling so my ability to respond is limited.)
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Eric Muller wrote:
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> Tex Texin wrote:
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> >However, I am curious as to whether some Users might read/write their
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> By the way, ICU also implements IDNA and generic StringPrep.
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t the robustness and stability of the GNU
libidn implementations of stringprep and punycode which are being considered. I
would be glad to hear privately if you have used them and what your experience
was/is.
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s. The next base to have that quality is base 256,
> which would require us to ransack a few different alphabets and then maybe
> create a few symbols in order for us to represent it.
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> Thanks, but not good enough.
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> What guarantee do I have that other Unicode characters will not be added in
> the future which have the property "Hex_Digit"?
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lyphs directly from the Private Use Area,
> thereby producing an elegant graphic. As Unicode code point information is
> not placed in a graphic when lettering is added to a graphic, the result
> would not show that the Private Use Area had been used.
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Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote:
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> > http://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc24
> > September 3-5, 2003
> >
raise chickens, you let them eat what they want,
> As soon as they fatten, you boil them in a pot.
> This plan is the best for the man who owns them,
> But for heaven's sake, don't let the chickens know!
>
> Yüan Mei (1776), trans. J.D. Schmidt
>
> - Original Messag
07, 2003 9:41 PM, Michael Everson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > At 15:03 -0400 2003-07-07, Tex Texin wrote:
> >
> > > When is a character properly called a currency sign?
> >
> > Hunh? When you use it to represent currency. DM was two characters
> &g
Right. I was only thinking that if U+202F wasn't available it might be a
better choice than NBSP.
tex
Jim Allan wrote:
>
> Tex Texin posted on my indication that only U+00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE and
> U+202F NARROW NO-BREAK SPACE are available in Unicode for a
> digit-grouping
it is because it has other
meanings as well.
tex
"Kurosaka, Teruhiko" wrote:
>
> Forgot to copy to the list...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurosaka, Teruhiko
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:44 PM
> To: 'Tex Texin'
> Subject: RE: Wh
over the weekend. Thanks for the many
comments.
http://www.xencraft.com/resources/multi-currency.html
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is the character to
> be used before or after certain punctuation for narrow spacing where
> no break is allowed, not U+2009 THIN SPACE or any other spacing character.
>
> Jim Allan
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t: "With a space, a number like "123 456" is
NEVER ambiguous for anyone...",
the word "never" is too strong. For me it is very ambiguous, since it looks to
me like two numbers. ;-)
tex
Philippe Verdy wrote:
>
> On Sunday, July 06, 2003 11:21 PM, Stefan Persson <
lect both.
tex
Benjamin Peterson wrote:
>
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:39:48 -0400, "Tex Texin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When writing out Japanese numbers a different character is used for every
> > unit
> > that is a power of 10,000
e wrote:
>
> [UTF-8]
>
> Tex Texin wrote:
>
> > On shi/jo the glyph I see in Windows charmap doesn't look
> > right. Perhaps it is my particular set of fonts. I expect to
> > see a radical on the right that looks like the character for
> > child, and ch
, and charmap shows something else. I'll wait to
see if someone else chimes in pro or con.
The rest of the values in your list are consistent with other docs I have
looked at. Thanks very much. I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me.
tex
Ben Monroe wrote:
>
> [UTF-8]
>
might be used every day.
tex
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> .
> Tex Texin wrote,
>
> > Apparently JIS didn't have a character for jo. It looks something like the
> > pair: U+79BE U+4E88.
> >
> > Is there a single character for jo in Unicode?
>
> Ho
If so which is it? If not, what
is the correct (or maybe traditional) way to represent this character in
Unicode?
(I am trying to correct the table at
http://www.XenCraft.com/resources/multi-currency.html#ja-count )
tia
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Anto'nio Martins-Tuva'lkin wrote:
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> On 2003.06.26, 09:00, Tex Texin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Twenty-fourth Internationalization and Unic
Hi,
For those of you that couldn't attend and were interested in the exhibitor's
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If you have any comments or feedback on the page, I would be glad to receive
it off-list.
> keyboard only.
>
> Can anyone please throw some light on this ?
>
> Regards,
> Sourav
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MS font which support almost all the languages,
>
> Pankaj
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William,
btw, this forum is archived at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's not discuss these issues here.
tex
William Overington wrote:
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> Tex Texin wrote as follows.
>
> > Marion, It is very easy to start your own list at
> http://www.yahoogroups.com
> >
> > You ca
Marion, It is very easy to start your own list at http://www.yahoogroups.com
You can create lists for 3166, as well as for hiberno-english etc.
Other Unicode folks have created specialized lists for their own purposes.
tex
Marion Gunn wrote:
>
> I attach confirmation that there is (as I expec
Roozbeh, thanks for checking and the report.
Seems odd. It works on Windows and Mac os X. We will see what Simon says.
Version 1.3 right?
I'll update the page to indicate it isn't working on Linux.
tex
Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
>
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Tex Texin wrote:
>
&g
la finally displays all the examples at
http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode-example-plane1.html and
http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode-plane1-utf8.html correctly, including the
right-to-left Etruscan.
Simon
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I confirmed this and the pages look great.
I used James Kass Code 2001 fonts for display.
I will update the Unicode example intro page to reflect that Mozilla 1.3
supports this.
Neat! Just in time for my birthday tomorrow!
;-)
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שֹׁמַע (šōmǎ‘), and "ōs" in
other places."
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8 is to be generated for surrogates, it becomes an issue, but can be
difficult to address when the upper layers aren't prepared for it. Anyway, for
some reason I thought the situation was also counter to the standard. Now I
know it is just bad design.
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> of UTF-8 in the Unicode Standard.
>
> --Ken
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like this certainly aren't off-topic. That
> was the most productive message William Overtoning has ever sent to the list,
> so lets not jump all over him for it.
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the wider coverage.
>
> Best regards,
>
> James Kass
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ng indicated by other means. Adding a UTF-8 BOM where they
are not needed breaks existing software, filters as Martin mentioned, and adds
ambiguity in many situations where there is no ambiguity.
tex
Doug Ewell wrote:
>
> Tex Texin wrote:
>
> > 2) Much of this discussion seems
ncoding is
organized such that ASCII-valued bytes stand for ASCII characters (at least
until the META element is parsed). META declarations should appear as early as
possible in the HEAD element.
=
Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
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> On Mon, 2003-02-17 at 14:27, Tex Texin wrote:
> > >
ode. The same situation happens with MS FrontPage 2000 (but I've already
> explained that).
>
> roozbeh
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the standard in the past; remember Netscape's notorious
> element? But I also think the HTML Working Group should
> consider explicitly allowing the BOM at the start of HTML files encoded
> in UTF-8. (Note that it is explicitly allowed in XML.)
>
> -Doug Ewell
>
l illegal.
>
> Well, I found that, but mischievously tried to hide the fact ;)
>
> According to the specs, it's illegal, and it doesn't hurt to fix it. So
> why shouldn't one?
>
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Curtis Clark wrote:
>
> Lars Marius Garshol wrote:
> > * Tex Texin
> > |
> > | There probably isn't a one-size fits all solution, short of those
> > | not wanting a response changing their reply-to address to
> > | "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> &g
ot cc'ing those already on the list -- I
> likewise don't like receiving personally-addressed copies of messages sent
> to the list.
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:-)
>
> I only started internationalizing it (beyond the Latin-1/2 range) a few
> days ago.
>
> Anybody else who has native-script country names or additional postal
> information about any country is welcome to send them/it in. Thanks!
>
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> My initial theory is that maybe it's a contraction for Ober-Echtringen?
>
> - Frank
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/TR/REC-html40/sgml/entities.html.
>
> Stefan
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tex Texin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Magda Danish (Unicode)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: den 13 december 2002 22:23
> Subj
gt;
> > Kind regards
> > Hermes Glarner
> >
> > PS: Keep on your work folks (wish I could join that group,
> > but alas, work...)
> >
> >
> >
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The song must have went Daditdadit, dadaditdah, not Dadit dadit,
dadaditdah.
Dadit is "N". Daditdadit is "C". And Dadaditdah is "Q" CQ is the general
ham call to invite anyone to speak to the caller.
Or maybe it was Daditdadit with some poetic license for a musical
rest. ;-)
_ . _.._
[
Thanks for several off-line comments, the page has been updated, and its
scope broadened a bit.
http://www.i18nguy.com/surrogates.html
Any other comments or resource suggestions?
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oint order.
>
> John
> Global Infrastructure
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew C. West [mailto:andrewcwest@;alumni.princeton.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Entering Plane 1 characters in XP
>
> On M
.
http://www.i18nguy.com/unicode-example-plane1.html
If I get some time later I'll play with unsetting it and see what
happens now.
tex
"Andrew C. West" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 08:55:37 -0800 (PST), Tex Texin wrote:
>
> >
> > XP requires the registry ch
0 to XP.
>
> So am I correct in saying that, under XP, 1) no need to change registry
> and 2) the Win200 method of typing two surrogates has been replaced by
> typing the single scalar value plus Alt-x?
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> http://homepage.mac.com/thgewecke/aplntdf.jpg
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> This much enlarged. At size 12 of course much of the detail is lost.
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you pick lf or lf/cr I don't care.)
trivial: Unicode line-separator
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John Cowan wrote:
>
> Tex Texin scripsit:
>
> > Interestingly, although I didn't study it in detail, looking at rfc 2376
> > for prioritization over charset conflicts, it seems to recommend
> > stripping the BOM when converting from utf-16 to other charsets (
Doug,
Doug Ewell wrote:
>
> Tex Texin wrote:
>
> > However, I didn't realize that parsers were to allow for the
> > possibility of different signatures.
> > So a parser has to worry about scsu signatures, etc
>
> A parser only *has* to read U
John Cowan wrote:
>
> Tex Texin scripsit:
>
> > So when the parser gets JOECODE, I can understand ignoring the signature
> > and autodetection, but exactly how does it find the first "<"?
>
> Well, if it begins with an 00 byte, it can't be UTF-8 or
I am
surprised at its flexibility for signatures.
So when the parser gets JOECODE, I can understand ignoring the signature
and autodetection, but exactly how does it find the first "<"?
It must have to try all of the encodings known to it... ugh.
tex
John Cowan wrote:
>
> Tex Texin
ad's influence on the market, so let's pretend
I bit my tongue in the last mail, and once again in this mail. ;-)
tex
John Cowan wrote:
>
> Tex Texin scripsit:
>
> > I didn't think the XML standard allowed for utf-8 files to have a BOM.
>
> This capability was ne
roup if needed.
tex
Doug Ewell wrote:
>
> Tex Texin wrote:
>
> > I didn't think the XML standard allowed for utf-8 files to have a BOM.
> > The standard is quite clear about requiring 0xFEFF for utf-16.
> > I would have thought a proper parser would reject a non
pad puts it there should be irrelevant.)
Am I wrong about XML and the utf-8 signature?
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urther discussion in this group, my feeling is that that sequence may
> well become well known and accepted for the purpose very quickly, simply
> because where there is a need for such a sequence then, in the absence of
> any good reason not to do so, people will often happily
essarily use them
> if I wasn't sure who the readers are and what their level of knowledge in
> our area is.
>
> Definitely better than InTeRn@i*nAlIʒ@i*n which OE automatically identifies
> as an email address ...
>
> Dave
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>from Tex. I suspect that the term was in internal use, but not considered as fit for
>publication. The term internationalization itself is not used in my earliest
>reference, proceedings from an internal DEC conference on International Opportunities
>and Differences' Apri
abbreviation, and then for only a few of the
> words on your web page. A search for "normalization" and "Unicode" yields
> 32,800 enties on Google. A search for "n11n" yields 3.
>
> Not a trend.
>
> Mark
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d now here we are with
nothing better than the suggestion to use the registration symbol
anyway...
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> ⺠âEppur si muoveâ â
>
> - Original Message -
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Thanks everyone! All set.
"John H. Jenkins" wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 10, 2002, at 02:29 PM, Tex Texin wrote:
>
> > It looks close to several cjk characters, so I wasn't sure.
> >
>
> I think it's a variant turtle ideo
privately, it doesn't really require list
discussion.
tia
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surely came across a lot of early docs
>while writing his first book, which was a republication of an online archive he
>maintained I think.
>
> Barry
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these acronyms come
from MIT. Would anyone like to comment on this version?
http://www.i18n.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/02/0345215&mode=thread&threshold=
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Tex Texin cell: +1 781 789 1898 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was asked about the origin of these acronyms. Does anyone know who
created these or where they were first used?
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