Re: Correct way to express in English that a string is encoded ... using UTF-8 ... with UTF-8 ... in UTF-8?

2019-05-15 Thread Neil Shadrach via Unicode
(e) The input file contains a UTF-8 encoded string. Ar Mer, 15 Mai 2019 am 14:22 Andre Schappo via Unicode ysgrifennodd: > > > > On May 15, 31 Heisei, at 12:22 pm, Costello, Roger L. via Unicode < > unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > > > > Hello Unicode experts! >

Re: Correct way to express in English that a string is encoded ... using UTF-8 ... with UTF-8 ... in UTF-8?

2019-05-15 Thread Andre Schappo via Unicode
> On May 15, 31 Heisei, at 12:22 pm, Costello, Roger L. via Unicode > wrote: > > Hello Unicode experts! > > Which is correct: > > (a) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded using UTF-8. > > (b) The input file contains a string. The string

Re: Correct way to express in English that a string is encoded ... using UTF-8 ... with UTF-8 ... in UTF-8?

2019-05-15 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/15/2019 4:22 AM, Costello, Roger L. via Unicode wrote: Hello Unicode experts! Which is correct: (a) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded using UTF-8. (b) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded with UTF-8. (c) The input

Re: Correct way to express in English that a string is encoded ... using UTF-8 ... with UTF-8 ... in UTF-8?

2019-05-15 Thread Aleksey Tulinov via Unicode
the same amount of space whether it is encoded with the UTF-8 or ASCII codes. Conversely, text consisting of CJK ideographs encoded with UTF-8 will require more space than equivalent text encoded with UTF-16." Hope this helps. ср, 15 мая 2019 г. в 14:24, Costello, Roger L. via Unicode : >

Correct way to express in English that a string is encoded ... using UTF-8 ... with UTF-8 ... in UTF-8?

2019-05-15 Thread Costello, Roger L. via Unicode
Hello Unicode experts! Which is correct: (a) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded using UTF-8. (b) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded with UTF-8. (c) The input file contains a string. The string is encoded in UTF-8. (d) Something else (what?) /Roger

Lao Nukta

2019-05-14 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
I was looking though Maha Sena's textbook on Tai Tham for Pali, and I noticed that he had a Lao script Pali section that made use of a nukta that seems to me to be indistinguishable from U+0EBA LAO SIGN PALI VIRAMA. Is it therefore in order to use that character for this nukta, just as U+0E3A THAI

Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-05-14 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 14 May 2019 03:08:04 +0100 Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > Together, > these call for (Sk B)* to be replaced by (). Correction: Together, these call for (Sk B)* to be replaced by ()*. Richard.

Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-05-13 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Tue, 14 May 2019 00:58:07 + Andrew Glass via Unicode wrote: > Here is the essence of the initial changes needed to support CV+C. > Open to feedback. > > > * Create new SAKOT class > SAKOT (Sk) based on UISC = Invisible_Stacker > * Reduced HALANT class > N

RE: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-05-13 Thread Andrew Glass via Unicode
Here is the essence of the initial changes needed to support CV+C. Open to feedback. * Create new SAKOT class SAKOT (Sk) based on UISC = Invisible_Stacker * Reduced HALANT class Now only HALANT (H) based on UISC = Virama * Updated Standard cluster mode [< R | CS >] < B | GB > [VS] (

Re: What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-05-09 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Thu, 9 May 2019 11:55:23 -0400 Ed Trager via Unicode wrote: > ** A good use case is the Tai Tham word U+1A27 U+1A6A U+1A60 U+1A37 , > transcribed to Central Thai script as จูบ, (*to kiss*). Currently, > people are writing this as U+1A27 U+1A60 U+1A37 U+1A6A ("จบู") w

What is the time frame for USE shapers to provide support for CV+C ?

2019-05-09 Thread Ed Trager via Unicode
Hi, Andrew and Behdad, Prompted by a conversation I had with Liang Hai yesterday, I am just curious to get some idea about the following: (1) When can we anticipate that the USE spec will be updated to provide support for subjoined consonants below vowels (as required for TAI THAM) ? (2) Once th

MIRROR emoji

2019-05-06 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
I peek in on the various proposals on the document register from time to time, and it is only with some effort that I restrain myself from sending this list some sort of checklist with my crochety-old-man opinions on most of them as if anyone cared.  But I do have

Choice between Identical Tai Tham Characters

2019-05-06 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
What authoritative recommendations or injunctions have been given for choosing between the encodings and for the subscript character known natively as 'hang ba'? The choice has no implication as to glyph shape or the pronunciation of the character, and the only difference in Unicode-associated p

Re: asking advice of the Unicode community on new character proposal

2019-05-03 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 3 May 2019 11:01:33 +0300 Jack Rueter via Unicode wrote: > The additional Latin characters to be proposed include Latin capital > and small letters C, D, L, S, T and ɜ with descenders. They also > include a number of Cyrillic letters, capital and small Ukrainian IE > (in

asking advice of the Unicode community on new character proposal

2019-05-03 Thread Jack Rueter via Unicode
Hello! I am looking for advice from the Unicode community. I am working within the Finnish NB on a proposal for additional characters used to write the Komi-Permyak and Komi-Zyrian languages in Latin script in the 1930s (1932-1937 in Komi-Permyak (Latin alone) and 1932-1935 years in Komi-Zyr

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-05-02 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/2/2019 8:44 AM, J Andrew Lipscomb via Unicode wrote: Why not just use U+25E4 and U+25E2 for the triangles, and U+2215 for the diagonal? Why not wait for evidence of that scheme being used in text. Then we know. A./

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-05-02 Thread J Andrew Lipscomb via Unicode
Why not just use U+25E4 and U+25E2 for the triangles, and U+2215 for the diagonal?

RE: Emoji boom?

2019-05-01 Thread Phillips, Addison via Unicode
hillips Sr. Principal SDE – I18N (Amazon) Chair (W3C I18N WG) Internationalization is not a feature. It is an architecture. > > -Original Message- > > From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of > > Shriramana Sharma via Unicode > > Sent: Wednesday, Ma

Re: Emoji boom?

2019-05-01 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/1/2019 3:23 AM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L-curdoc.htm The number of emoji-related proposals seems to be increasing compared to the number of script-related ones. Have we reached a plateau re scripts encoding? Somehow

Emoji boom?

2019-05-01 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
http://www.unicode.org/L2/L-curdoc.htm The number of emoji-related proposals seems to be increasing compared to the number of script-related ones. Have we reached a plateau re scripts encoding? Somehow this seems sad to me considering the great role Unicode played in bringing Indic scripts (from

Aw: Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-05-01 Thread Marius Spix via Unicode
Åberg via Unicode" An: "Mark E. Shoulson" Cc: unicode@unicode.org Betreff: Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport > On 30 Apr 2019, at 04:32, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > > On 4/29/19 3:34 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: >> Hans Åberg

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-30 Thread Hans Åberg via Unicode
> On 30 Apr 2019, at 04:32, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode > wrote: > > On 4/29/19 3:34 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: >> Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, >>> seeing only in a graysc

Re: acute-macron hybrid?

2019-04-30 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
I don't think this is anything more than a macron stylised a particular way in this typeface. All the transcriptions I've seen of Bosworth-Toller use a macron. James On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:43 AM Julian Bradfield via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > The celebra

Re: acute-macron hybrid?

2019-04-30 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode
On 4/30/2019 12:45 AM, Julian Bradfield via Unicode wrote: What is its appropriate Unicode representation? A macron. --Ken

acute-macron hybrid?

2019-04-30 Thread Julian Bradfield via Unicode
The celebrated Bosworth-Toller dictionary of Anglo-Saxon uses a curious diacritic to mark long vowels. It may be described as a long shallow acute with a small down-tick at the right. It contrasts with an acute (quite steep in this typeface) used to mark accented short vowels. Both can be seen in t

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-29 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 4/29/19 3:34 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: Hans Åberg wrote: The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. Did he use this particular

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-29 Thread Hans Åberg via Unicode
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 21:34, Doug Ewell wrote: > > Hans Åberg wrote: > >> The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, >> seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in >> black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. > > Did he use this part

RE: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-29 Thread Tom Moore via Unicode
e On Behalf Of Hans Åberg via Unicode Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 12:00 PM To: Doug Ewell Cc: Unicode Mailing List Subject: Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport > On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:02, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> A very

RE: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-29 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Hans Åberg wrote: > The guy who made the artwork for Heroes is completely color-blind, > seeing only in a grayscale, so they agreed he coded the colors in > black and white, and then that was replaced with colors. Did he use this particular scheme? That is something I would expect to see on the

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-29 Thread Hans Åberg via Unicode
> On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:02, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > > Philippe Verdy wrote: > >> A very useful think to add to Unicode (for colorblind people) ! >> >> http://bestinportugal.com/color-add-project-brings-color-identification-to-the-color-blind >&

Re: Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-29 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Philippe Verdy wrote: > A very useful think to add to Unicode (for colorblind people) ! > > http://bestinportugal.com/color-add-project-brings-color-identification-to-the-color-blind > > Is it proposed to add as new symbols ? Well, it isn't proposed until someone proposes it. At first I thoug

Symbols of colors used in Portugal for transport

2019-04-27 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
A very useful think to add to Unicode (for colorblind people) ! http://bestinportugal.com/color-add-project-brings-color-identification-to-the-color-blind Is it proposed to add as new symbols ?

Re: Is ARMENIAN ABBREVIATION MARK (՟, U+055F) misclassified?

2019-04-27 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 00:08:52 + James Kass via Unicode wrote: > On 2019-04-26 11:08 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > > This is a small percentage of the number of fonts that have all > > four of these Armenian glyphs, but show the abbreviation mark as a > > spacing

Re: Is ARMENIAN ABBREVIATION MARK (՟, U+055F) misclassified?

2019-04-26 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-04-26 11:08 PM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: This is a small percentage of the number of fonts that have all four of these Armenian glyphs, but show the abbreviation mark as a spacing glyph. It looks like Unicode is right, Wikipedia is right, and the fonts are wrong. If the

Re: Is ARMENIAN ABBREVIATION MARK (՟, U+055F) misclassified?

2019-04-26 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Fredrick Brennan wrote: > Although my research on this has by no means been exhaustive, it > seems at a cursory glance that the «pativ», the Armenian abbreviation > mark, is misclassified; it seems it should either be itself a > combining mark or have a combining mark version. > > I have not been

Is ARMENIAN ABBREVIATION MARK (՟, U+055F) misclassified?

2019-04-25 Thread Fredrick Brennan via Unicode
Although my research on this has by no means been exhaustive, it seems at a cursory glance that the «pativ», the Armenian abbreviation mark, is misclassified; it seems it should either be itself a combining mark or have a combining mark version. I have not been able to find a single Unicode fon

Re: Fw: Latin Script Danda

2019-04-19 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 4/19/2019 6:57 PM, Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: I don't know many modern fonts that display 007C as a broken glyph. In fact I haven't seen a broken line pipe glyph since the MS-DOS days. Nowadays we have 00A

Re: Fw: Latin Script Danda

2019-04-19 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
I don't know many modern fonts that display 007C as a broken glyph. In fact I haven't seen a broken line pipe glyph since the MS-DOS days. Nowadays we have 00A6 for that.

Fw: Latin Script Danda

2019-04-19 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 11:30:32 +0100 From: Richard Wordingham To: Shriramana Sharma Subject: Re: Latin Script Danda On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 11:33:35 +0530 Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: > We are using the pipe character as it is readily available in

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-19 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
. 2019 à 04:22, Tex via Unicode a écrit : > Oy veh! > > > > *From:* Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark > E. Shoulson via Unicode > *Sent:* Monday, April 15, 2019 5:27 PM > *To:* unicode@unicode.org > *Subject:* Emoji Haggadah > > > &

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-19 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 19:54:47 +0530 Shriramana Sharma wrote: > Or maybe the Grantha candrabindu can be used, since there is already > evidence for mixed usage of the scripts and nukta characters have been > encoded for Tamil usage in the Grantha block for this same reason > despite Grantha users o

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-19 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
On 4/19/19, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > That reminds me - what if anything is happening about Tamil script > candrabindu? You reported that U+0310 was being used in that rôle. I think that there was an idea to add Taml to U+0310's script extensions. Or maybe the Grantha

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-19 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 11:36:16 +0530 Shriramana Sharma via Unicode wrote: > On 4/19/19, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > wrote: > > That's a fair point. My problem is that someone is claiming of > > U+0310 that "Somewhere in the Unicode specifications is a footnote

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-18 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
On 4/19/19, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > That's a fair point. My problem is that someone is claiming of > U+0310 that "Somewhere in the Unicode specifications is a footnote > saying it is to be used with Devanagari". Why would anyone want to use 0310 wi

Re: Latin Script Danda

2019-04-18 Thread Shriramana Sharma via Unicode
We are using the pipe character as it is readily available in our favourite Latin script fonts. See for example: https://twitter.com/ShriramanaS/status/793480884116529152 It would be ideal for Sanskrit/Indic text in IAST/ISO to be displayable/printable using any common Latin font which is found ty

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-18 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 01:52:15 +0200 Marius Spix via Unicode wrote: > The Wikipedia page states, U+0310 is a general-purpose combining > diacritical mark. I would treat it similar like U+0308 (COMBINING > DIAERESIS) or U+030C (COMBINING CARON), which are both characters with > multip

Latin Script Danda

2019-04-18 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
Which character should one use for a danda in the Latin script? I believed normal usage is to use U+0964 DEVANAGARI DANDA, but for some reason its script extension property does not include the Latin script. Richard.

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-18 Thread Marius Spix via Unicode
counterpart to the combining fermata. http://randomguy32.de/conlang/000/writing/ Best regards, Marius Am Do., 18 Apr 2019 20:59:53 +0100 schrieb Richard Wordingham via Unicode : > Is there any reason why U+0310 COMBINING CANDRABINDU has scx=Inherited > rather than scx=Latn? The only languag

Re: Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-18 Thread James Kass via Unicode
The Guara Times font maps Cyrillic letters (Л,л,М,м) with chandrabindus in the P.U.A. of the font.  This can be done without the P.U.A. using U+0310:  Л̐,л̐,М̐,м̐ http://www.chakra.lv/blog/2016/10/19/transliterating-sanskrit-into-russian/ On 2019-04-18 7:59 PM, Richard Wordingham via

Script_extension Property of U+0310 Combining Candrabindu

2019-04-18 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
Is there any reason why U+0310 COMBINING CANDRABINDU has scx=Inherited rather than scx=Latn? The only language I've seen the character used in is Sanskrit, and the only script I've seen it in is the Latin script. Richard.

RE: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Constable via Unicode
Thanks for reporting. The team responsible for the font has recorded a bug entry for this issue and will be working on a fix. From: Unicode On Behalf Of Oren Watson via Unicode Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 2:05 PM To: unicode Unicode Discussion Subject: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in

Re: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
esktop font. > > > > On 17 Apr 2019, at 23:53, Oren Watson via Unicode > wrote: > > > > You can easily reproduce this by going here: > > https://www.fonts.com/font/microsoft-corporation/calibri/regular > > and putting in the following string: ψϕφᵠ > > > >

Re: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread James Kass via Unicode
Confirming that the installed version here shows psi.  (Version 5.74) Luc(as) de Groot is the type designer, I've copied him on this message. On 2019-04-17 10:06 PM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote: You are possibly both right, because it is OK in the web font but wrong in the desktop

Re: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread Hans Åberg via Unicode
You are possibly both right, because it is OK in the web font but wrong in the desktop font. > On 17 Apr 2019, at 23:53, Oren Watson via Unicode wrote: > > You can easily reproduce this by going here: > https://www.fonts.com/font/microsoft-corporation/calibri/regular > and

Re: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread Oren Watson via Unicode
ion of the font is used there. > > James > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 5:10 PM Oren Watson via Unicode < > unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > >> Would anyone know where to report this? >> In the widely used Calibri typeface included with MS Office, the glyph >>

Re: MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread James Tauber via Unicode
It looks correct in Google Docs so it appears to have been fixed in whatever version of the font is used there. James On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 5:10 PM Oren Watson via Unicode wrote: > Would anyone know where to report this? > In the widely used Calibri typeface included with MS Offic

MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI in Calibri is wrong.

2019-04-17 Thread Oren Watson via Unicode
Would anyone know where to report this? In the widely used Calibri typeface included with MS Office, the glyph shown for U+1D60 MODIFIER LETTER SMALL GREEK PHI, actually depicts a letter psi, not a phi.

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-17 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 4/16/19 11:52 PM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: > http://historyview.blogspot.com/2011/10/yukaghir-girl-writes-love-letter.html According to a comment, the Yukaghir love letter as semasiographic communication was debunked by John DeFrancis in 1989 who asserted that it was merely a p

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread James Kass via Unicode
> Perhaps that debunking was in the very book > cited by Martin J. Dürst earlier in this thread. Yes, starting on page 24. https://books.google.com/books?id=hypplIDMd0IC&pg=PA24&dq=isbn:0824812077+Yukaghir&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1n4r719zgAhWJn4MKHcdyCHIQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=isbn%3A0824812077%20Yu

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread James Kass via Unicode
ing was in the very book cited by Martin J. Dürst earlier in this thread. Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote, >> There is a well-known thesis in linguistics that every script has to be >> at least in part phonetic, and the above are examples that add support >> to this. Fo

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
On 4/16/19 4:00 AM, James Kass via Unicode wrote: On 2019-04-16 7:09 AM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: All the examples you cite, where images stand for sounds, are typically used in some of the oldest "ideographic" scripts. Egyptian definitely has such concepts, and Han (CJ

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
I suspect that this work would be jibber-jabber to any non-English speaker unfamiliar with the original Haggadah.  No matter how otherwise fluent they might be in emoji communication. You can't escape fundamental theses: There

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-04-16 7:09 AM, Martin J. Dürst via Unicode wrote: All the examples you cite, where images stand for sounds, are typically used in some of the oldest "ideographic" scripts. Egyptian definitely has such concepts, and Han (CJK) does so, too, with most ideographs consisting of

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-16 Thread Martin J . Dürst via Unicode
Hello Mark, others, On 2019/04/16 12:18, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > Yes.  But the sentences aren't just symbolic representations of the > concepts or something.  They are frequently direct > transcriptions—usually by puns—for *English* sentences, so left-to-right >

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread James Kass via Unicode
On 2019-04-16 3:18 AM, Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode wrote: > For whatever reason, the author decided to go with 🕉️ for "God" and such, ... "OM"igod. Just a thought. If the emoji OM SYMBOL is to be used for "god", shouldn't it be casing to enable d

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
e sentences are definitely ENGLISH sentences, not Hebrew or any sort of language-neutral semasiography or whatever, so LTR ordering makes sense (to the extent any of this makes sense.) ~mark On 4/15/19 10:56 PM, Beth Myre via Unicode wrote: This is amazing. It's also really interesting t

Re: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Beth Myre via Unicode
This is amazing. It's also really interesting that he decided to make the sentences read left-to-right. On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:05 PM Tex via Unicode wrote: > Oy veh! > > > > *From:* Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark > E. Shoulson via U

RE: Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Tex via Unicode
Oy veh! From: Unicode [mailto:unicode-boun...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 5:27 PM To: unicode@unicode.org Subject: Emoji Haggadah The only thing more disturbing than the existence of The Emoji Haggadah (https://www.amazon.com/Emoji

Emoji Haggadah

2019-04-15 Thread Mark E. Shoulson via Unicode
The only thing more disturbing than the existence of The Emoji Haggadah (https://www.amazon.com/Emoji-Haggadah-Martin-Bodek/dp/1602803463/) is the fact that I'm starting to find that I can read it... ~mark

Unicode CLDR 35 beta available for testing

2019-03-18 Thread Rick McGowan via Unicode
The *beta* version of Unicode CLDR 35 is available for testing. The final release is expected on March 27. Aside from documenting additional structure, there have been important modifications LDML (scan for the yellow highlighted sections). See

Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2019-03-13 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
On Wed, Mar 13 2019 at 9:48 -07, Ken Whistler wrote: > On 3/13/2019 2:42 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: >> Hi! >> >> On Mon, Jul 16 2018 at 7:07 +02, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: >>> FAQ (http://unicode.org/faq/vs.html) states: >>> >&

Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2019-03-13 Thread Ken Whistler via Unicode
On 3/13/2019 2:42 AM, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: Hi! On Mon, Jul 16 2018 at 7:07 +02, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: FAQ (http://unicode.org/faq/vs.html) states: For historic scripts, the variation sequence provides a useful tool, because it can show mistaken or nonce

Re: Unicode CLDR 35 alpha available for testing

2019-03-13 Thread Takao Fujiwara via Unicode
Thank you. On 2019/03/06 14:20, Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode-san wrote: Just via svn checkout for the alpha. By next time we plan to be on GitHub... {phone} On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 13:07 Doug Ewell via Unicode mailto:unicode@unicode.org>> wrote: announcements at unicode.org

Re: Variation Sequences (and L2-11/059)

2019-03-13 Thread Janusz S. Bień via Unicode
Hi! On Mon, Jul 16 2018 at 7:07 +02, Janusz S. Bień via Unicode wrote: > FAQ (http://unicode.org/faq/vs.html) states: > > For historic scripts, the variation sequence provides a useful tool, > because it can show mistaken or nonce glyphs and relate them to the > bas

Re: Latin capital letter Is (Ꝭ)

2019-03-06 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
On 6 Mar 2019, at 10:57, Fredrick Brennan via Unicode wrote: >> Draw it as you wish. Most likely it will be the same shape as your >> lower-case one, adjusted to fit caps height. > > As I'm working on a blackletter font, it's unfortunately not this easy. Sure i

Re: Latin capital letter Is (Ꝭ)

2019-03-06 Thread Fredrick Brennan via Unicode
> > I sent this query to Michael Everson directly on Feb. 19 but did not hear > > anything back. I assume that he was too busy to respond, perhaps I even > > broke some unwritten rule of etiquette, for which I apologize; so I am > > hoping that someone on the mailing list knows the answer instea

Re: Unicode CLDR 35 alpha available for testing

2019-03-05 Thread Mark Davis ☕️ via Unicode
Just via svn checkout for the alpha. By next time we plan to be on GitHub... {phone} On Thu, Feb 28, 2019, 13:07 Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: > announcements at unicode.org wrote: > > > The alpha version of Unicode CLDR 35 > > <http://cldr.unicode.org/index/downloads/

IUC 43 - call for presentations closing soon

2019-03-04 Thread Rick McGowan via Unicode
For those who might be interested in submitting for the 43rd Internationalization & Unicode® Conference (IUC 43) in Santa Clara, California, October 16-18, 2019... The call for presentations closes at the end of this week. http://www.unicodeconference.org/e-marketing/IUC43-CfP-030419.htm

Re: Latin capital letter Is (Ꝭ)

2019-03-03 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
Fredrick, > I sent this query to Michael Everson directly on Feb. 19 but did not hear > anything back. I assume that he was too busy to respond, perhaps I even broke > some unwritten rule of etiquette, for which I apologize; so I am hoping that > someone on the mailing list knows the answer ins

Re: Latin capital letter Is (Ꝭ)

2019-03-03 Thread Denis Jacquerye via Unicode
the archaic Coptic extensions.) On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 15:29, Fredrick Brennan via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> wrote: > Hello friends, > > I sent this query to Michael Everson directly on Feb. 19 but did not hear > anything back. I assume that he was too busy to respo

Latin capital letter Is (Ꝭ)

2019-03-01 Thread Fredrick Brennan via Unicode
Hello friends, I sent this query to Michael Everson directly on Feb. 19 but did not hear anything back. I assume that he was too busy to respond, perhaps I even broke some unwritten rule of etiquette, for which I apologize; so I am hoping that someone on the mailing list knows the answer inst

Re: Unicode CLDR 35 alpha available for testing

2019-02-28 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
announcements at unicode.org wrote: > The alpha version of Unicode CLDR 35 > is available for > testing. No downloadable data files in the sense of released builds, correct? -- Doug Ewell | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-24 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:46:27 +0800 梁海 Liang Hai via Unicode wrote: > USE wasn’t designed to allow such a syllable structure. Tai Tham’s > being supported by USE is kind of an oversight. And although it’s > appropriate to allow conjoined consonants to follow post-base-spacing >

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:46:27 +0800 梁海 Liang Hai via Unicode wrote: > >>> once the USE acknowledges that subjoined consonants may follow > >>> vowels > >> > >> I expect to update the USE spec to address this soon. > > > > That seems w

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-23 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 14:46:27 +0800 梁海 Liang Hai via Unicode wrote: > >>> once the USE acknowledges that subjoined consonants may follow > >>> vowels > >> > >> I expect to update the USE spec to address this soon. > > > > That seems w

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-22 Thread 梁海 Liang Hai via Unicode
-base-spacing (ie, pre-base, above-base, and below-base) vowel signs—considering the ambiguity. Best, 梁海 Liang Hai https://lianghai.github.io > On Feb 23, 2019, at 09:47, Richard Wordingham via Unicode > wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:19:25 + > Andrew Glass wrote: >

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:19:25 + Andrew Glass wrote: > Thank you Richard for pointing out the issue with 0x1A7A > I've looked into this and found an error in our tooling that has this > mapped this to Halant. Based on the spec this should be VAbv. I've > filed a bug. Thanks. Will the correcti

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-22 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 2/22/2019 7:29 AM, Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:07:06 + Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: My best hypothesis (not thoroughly tested) is that Windows currently has InSc=Consonant_Killer, but can I look his

Re: USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:07:06 + Richard Wordingham via Unicode wrote: > My best hypothesis (not thoroughly tested) is that Windows currently > has InSc=Consonant_Killer, but can I look his up as opposed to > effectively devising a test suite for USE on Office? That question's

USE Indic Syllabic Category

2019-02-22 Thread Richard Wordingham via Unicode
Where can I find the InSc properties of characters as overridden for the USE of Windows? I am trying to work out why on MS Edge I am now getting dotted circles before U+1A7A TAI THAM SIGN RA HAAM in all of: ᩆᩢᨠ᩠ᨯᩥ᩺ rank /sak/ , ᨾᩉᩣᩉᩥᨦ᩠ᨣᩩ᩺ giant fennel /ma haː hiŋ/ and ᩆᩣᩈ᩠ᨲᩕ᩺ science /saːt/ ?

Re: Unihan variants information

2019-02-21 Thread via Unicode
> Le 28 janv. 2019 à 19:49, Doug Ewell via Unicode a > écrit : > > Michel MARIANI wrote: > >> I've developped an open-source, multi-platform desktop application >> called Unicode Plus > > Before you get too heavily invested in this product name, you may

Re: Spiral symbol

2019-02-19 Thread wjgo_10...@btinternet.com via Unicode
I seem to remember from reading a book many years ago, maybe around fifty years ago, something about one of the early chemists (Lavoisier?) having used two symbols, each a spiral, mirror images of each other, for two different things, maybe oxidation and reduction, in his manuscript but he had

Re: Spiral symbol

2019-02-18 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
Emoji proposals aren’t notable for their uniform quality. There are guidelines, but essentially the subcommittee approves things they like and don’t approve things they don’t like. > On 18 Feb 2019, at 12:52, Andrés Sanhueza via Unicode > wrote: > > I understand the difference.

Re: Spiral symbol

2019-02-18 Thread Andrés Sanhueza via Unicode
chael Everson via Unicode (< unicode@unicode.org>) escribió: > > Question: Why both a right and left facing spiral are exactly need? > Isn't a single one (whose direction is just a glyph variant) enough? There > was a previous thread that also suggested these very symbols, but

Re: Bidi paragraph direction in terminal emulators (was: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators)

2019-02-18 Thread Egmont Koblinger via Unicode
On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 1:59 PM Philippe Verdy wrote: > Resist this idea, I've not been impolite. I didn't say a word about you being impolite. I said I might be impolite for not wishing to continue this discussion in that direction. > I just want to show you that terminals are legacy environme

Re: Bidi paragraph direction in terminal emulators (was: Proposal for BiDi in terminal emulators)

2019-02-17 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Le ven. 8 févr. 2019 à 13:56, Egmont Koblinger a écrit : > Philippe, I hate do say it, but at the risk of being impolite, I just > have to. > Resist this idea, I've not been impolite. I just want to show you that terminals are legacy environments that are far behind what is needed for proper int

Re: Spiral symbol

2019-02-16 Thread Michael Everson via Unicode
> Question: Why both a right and left facing spiral are exactly need? Isn't a > single one (whose direction is just a glyph variant) enough? There was a > previous thread that also suggested these very symbols, but otherwise I have > found no evidence of the specific need for it. Clockwise and

Re: Spiral symbol

2019-02-15 Thread Andrés Sanhueza via Unicode
El mar., 22 ene. 2013 a las 19:11, Karl Pentzlin () escribió: > Am Dienstag, 22. Januar 2013 um 01:11 schrieb Andrés Sanhueza: > > AS> I have wondered if it may be a good idea to make a proposal to an > AS> "spiral" character, basically because I believe is the only mayor > AS> symbol recurrently

CLDR emoji tagging in SVN

2019-02-14 Thread Takao Fujiwara via Unicode
Could you make a tag in the SVN or create a zip file for emoji 12.0? My understanding is Unicode emoji 12.0 has been released and I'd like to get the annotations and the translations. Previously I could get http://www.unicode.org/repos/cldr/tags/release-34 but now I don't know which revision is

Re: Bidi paragraph direction in terminal emulators

2019-02-14 Thread Philippe Verdy via Unicode
Le mar. 12 févr. 2019 à 14:16, Egmont Koblinger via Unicode < unicode@unicode.org> a écrit : > > There is nothing magic about the grid of cells, and once you introduce > new escape sequences, you might as well truly modernise the terminal. > > The magic about the grid of cell

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