Anthony West wrote:
Let us frame it as a true dichotomy instead.
why even insist on a dichotomy? I've just finished reading a
bunch of posts by various people on this list who have come
up with a variety of responses about 'where to go from
here,' and it sure doesn't look like options
S. Sharrieff Ali wrote:
The motion carried and was without opposition to have a community
meeting organized by
concerned community residents. I made the motion and volunteered to
make sure the meeting
happened. 20 people signed to participate in a committee to organize the
meeting.
...
The idea
You're already getting your spare change together for the de Sales Parish
Porch Sale and the Clark Park Peoples' Flea Market this Saturday, so you
might as well keep on heading West where the Concerned Citizens of the 5000
Block of Osage Ave. will be holding a block-wide porch sale! It's from
Thanks Ray, I will introduce them at the organizing meeting.
S
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:10 AM
To: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Blackwell calls to save Fenton's job
S.
This might be a long-shot, but is there any way that the community could
take the concept of a NID/BID and steal John Fenton? It would be an
administrative nightmare for someone (would I do it?? I'm not sure).
My objections to the NID/BID were with the organizational structure and its
Folks, something else came out yesterday that is very indicative of the
underlying problem with UCD. The Councilwoman told everyone that her staff
member, Marty, was removed from the UCD Board. Later, Glenn Bryan, with whom
she has worked, was also either removed or not permitted on the Board.
After an inauspicious start at a porch enclosure in one of the area's oldest
close-to-original-condition buildings (4323 Spruce Street), the owner -- Guy
Laren -- has essentially redone the job from start to finish.
There was a lot of criticism of the original design. And, warranted or not,
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Hi, All,
Do you have good usable items that you no longer need? You can donate
them to the St. Francis de Sales Parish Porch Sale today (Friday) from 9am to 5
pm at the school auditorium at 47th Windsor Ave. Enter by the side door from
the school yard that is close to Farragut St.
Oh no! Leave it as it is. 2004 was it when we're talking about the
halcyon days with John Fenton. Keep it up in his memory.
I found it today when looking for a picture of him. Googled John
Fenton UCD, and it came up. (But is that actually John Fenton or Andy
Cole?) Interestingly, he
Glenn's report is false. John Fenton has not been fired. His employer, Lewis
Wendell stated that clearly at the meeting Glenn attended. Seventy people heard
him say that.
-- Tony West
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From: Glenn
To: Anthony West ; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Friday,
Kirk Wattles wrote:
Oh no! Leave it as it is. 2004 was it when we're talking about the
halcyon days with John Fenton. Keep it up in his memory.
I found it today when looking for a picture of him. Googled John
Fenton UCD, and it came up. (But is that actually John Fenton or Andy
Cole?)
Lomb21, do you have a name?
Of course there is a way -- if the community is prepared to pay for it. And
it'll be a big bill -- in the millions of dollars. Even if you assume UCD
contains waste, etc., you're still talking about recreating a substantial
agency.
The businesses that would have
Geez Al,
Thanks for outing me.
I hope your approval of my design aesthetic does not mean that I'll need
to be changing the facade for a third time.. I was hoping that the kids
could wear shoes to school again next week.
Guy
** See what's free
Thanks for getting back. My name is Guy Laren.
I have been disappointed by all of the negative energy on the Listserv
lately by both groups of people who have one seemingly unifying goal and
passion--
a love of UC.
I thought that my proposal to create this NID (or my proposed CID) by
Lomb21 is the landlord Guy Laren. His is not a bad idea, but you've
certainly pointed out the impractical parts of it, Tony.
We already tried this in 1987-88: it was called the University City Special
Services District, or the UCSSD. You'll still see some of the green and
purple UCSSD
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Subject: Re: [UC] which bad thing?
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:32:41 EDT
... if Penn/UCD/Drexel/Campus Apts really want to push off
some of the operating expense of the UCD on the residents/beneficiaries
then
they would, in the end, support our new community based and
Out of all the responses, I think it most interesting that this imposter
of Glenn could still be listening to everything that we type about him/her,
and could still be responding under a different assumed name.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anything said before or now. No
opinion of the
There is substantial evidence that what you say is true, but I'm willing to
believe that they just want the clean and safe and would cede the power if
it got done by the comuntiy. But if my idea served to out their real
intentions, then it would be nice to know them sooner rather than
In a message dated 6/8/07 12:36:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Anybody notice the mention of Glenn Moyers account of the meeting. There's
a mention of a Glenn Bryan. Could this be Committeeman7? Under
Glennsdesktop? He certainly could have insider information, right?
Dan Myers
From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] The UCD Board and community reps
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:44:12 -0400
Has anyone anything else to add about the civic associations'
representative choosing process?
YES!
As you all
Anybody notice the mention of Glenn Moyers account of the meeting. There's a
mention of a Glenn Bryan. Could this be Committeeman7? Under
Glennsdesktop? He certainly could have insider information, right?
Dan Myers
PS making speculations is fun, proving them is difficult! I hope not to
offend
In a message dated 6/8/07 12:14:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I personally believe that what the institutions and the corporate landlords
are really after is the power to control the direction of the neighborhood,
and would indeed balk if a substitute that they did not control came into
I will join Melani on this one. It is not Glenn Bryan for sure.
.and it is not me..(as someone suggested off-list), I think
everyone knows I don't need to say anything anonymously.
Can we please get off of the who is committeeman7 thing.
It is really a waste of time.
Number one: will the
Thank you very much. That was a very interesting account. Let me make sure
I get it right..Was it the Board choosing the three candidates and not the
full membership?
Then afterwards, UCD, chose which of the three choices would actually serve.
Does anyone know, was the process Karen
From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: KAREN ALLEN [EMAIL PROTECTED],UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD Board and community reps
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:20:50 -0400
I'm sorry Karen. One other question.
You mentioned the discussion about better to have a seat at the table I
find
What Karen posted is correct as far as I know and was used as a
mechanism for the UCD and specific interest to eliminate particular
organizations
or individuals from participating in the UCD Board activities.
Essentially, if the UCD didn't want you there it wouldn't matter if your
community
I'm sorry Karen. One other question.
You mentioned the discussion about better to have a seat at the table I
find it odd but understandable. Was there any suggestion that UCD would
deny you a seat at the table if you just gave them one CPN choice?
If you can recall, why did CPN board
In a message dated 6/8/2007 12:54:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
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But I can say that they are smart enough to understand that THEIR version of
the NID/BID is troubled and , with these new Fenton/UCD developments, that
their chances of getting neighborhood support
I hear ya.
I don't feel so alone. Thanks for confirming your accounts. These are
important issues to air publicly if we are indeed to move forward.
I know a lot about UCD but I did not catch this choice of 3 before Karen's
account.
Glenn
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From: S. Sharrieff
I thought more after your account about that time period, 2000-2001, I
remembered one of those, UCD will pull out. that I received. I knew that
a few folks kept insisting that I stop asking for inclusion in Clark Park
planning because of this fear.
Then, I got it from the executive director.
From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: KAREN ALLEN [EMAIL PROTECTED],UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD Board and community reps
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:20:03 -0400
I know I'm asking a lot. Was a report given to the membership so that the
members knew about the need to give the 3
So this would be an organization that has the power to impose taxes?
I believe that's what it's called when all property owners are required
to pay towards something . . .
Kathleen
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Hi, Guy. I find all this negativism annoying too, especially when it is
accompanied by a complete lack of practical thinking.
I think your idea is great, and thinking about it with some good business heads
could be very beneficial for University City
Remember, though, about the proposed NID:
I think the only practical way to do it is divide the group's budget up
among all the property owners in the area and have them (us) pay for it.
It eliminates two of the problems that some people had with ucd which
are:
1) uneven funding -- everybody would pay the same thing
2) representation --
You have to fund it somehow, and if one of the goals is to cut the big
doners out (and thereby their influence), you need to make up for some
of that lost revenue. And we already heard that going door to door with
hat in hand doesn't seem to work. If you tax everybody, then a) you get
the money
In a message dated 6/8/07 3:28:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You have to fund it somehow, and if one of the goals is to cut the big
doners out (and thereby their influence), you need to make up for some
of that lost revenue. And we already heard that going door to door with
hat in hand
Kyle Cassidy wrote:
You have to fund it somehow, and if one of the goals is to cut the big
doners out (and thereby their influence), you need to make up for some
of that lost revenue. And we already heard that going door to door with
hat in hand doesn't seem to work. If you tax everybody, then
They might feel that way, but paying more money shouldn't equate into being
entitled to having more power. A person who pays more money in taxes still
can cast only one vote in the political process.
From: Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] Funding special services
Date: Fri,
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [UC] Funding special services - PA BID law
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:08:24 EDT
...The main reason that the UCD BID
proposal has dragged on for so long is that Councilwoman Blackwell has
heard that
there isn't universal approval of it, so she refuses to
I don't understand all the rules regarding the establishment of these type
entities, but I see it working as follows:
1) we take the structure of the NID and the Community usurps it.
meaning that we have the same taxing authority that the NID would have had.
Just
the community runs
On a small scale, I am happy that anyone is even considering the alternative
of creating a true community based organization to supplement the City's
services. It's probably a great way to unite the neighborhood (if it could
really happen).
It is a little disappointing to hear such can't
Indeed?
On 6/8/07 10:06 AM, Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Glenn's report is false. John Fenton has not been fired. His employer, Lewis
Wendell stated that clearly at the meeting Glenn attended. Seventy people
heard him say that.
-- Tony West
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Well, life is funny.
There have been so many arguments, discussions etc. over the years, and it
took a Penn student with a big mouth who said the equivalent of. LOOK, The
Emperor has NO clothes!!
Not a huge event in and of itself, but the right thing at the right time has
such momentum.
I tend
You know, Glenn
MAYBE he did NOT because he works with and trusts the judgment of those who
would make the area over in his view.
Someone else suggested that those of us who wanted the area improved should
get the backing of those with deep pockets.
That is ³ex-AC-tly,² what we thought we were
As have others heretofore.
Melani explained it best. The original UC returnees tried to sustain The
University City Special Services District with their patronage and
donations, but they did not have enough.
They ALSO tried to makeover the abandoned Firehouse at 50th Baltimore
(using the
Karen's response indirectly brings up an important point. The various
territory-based community organizations (CPN, SHCA, FOCP, etc.) are at
best partially representative of their constituencies. Not everyone who
is eligible chooses to join these groups, for a variety of reasons. Not
all the
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