badboygolf16v wrote:
> I had problems with certain sample rates with my RPi3/Allo Kali/Allo
> Piano and found that disabling onboard wifi did the trick. Might be
> worth a try?
Hi badboygolf16v,
Thanks for your answer. I allready disabled Wifi and HDMI power on PCP
but sadly that didn't the tri
I had problems with certain sample rates with my RPi3/Allo Kali/Allo
Piano and found that disabling onboard wifi did the trick. Might be
worth a try?
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Hi all,
I'm new to this forum but did read o lot of useful stuff here :o
Not sure if I am in the right thread to post this, if not, please
forgive me and point me to the right direction :rolleyes:
I encounter a very strange problem with my RPI3 / PicorePlayer 3.02 /
Ian's FIFO II kit / AK4495SE
Greg Erskine wrote:
>
> [Main Page] in [Beta] mode > [Extras] > [Asound]
> WARNING: This page is beta because it could cause pCP to stop playing
> and you may have to start again and reinstall pCP.
> Greg
Thanks , this is what I needed. I will play with it and remember where
this tool page is h
M-H wrote:
> If I might suggest one:
> Can't we get a menu option in to tweak Alsa to swap the right and left
> channel? I mixed op wiring recently , and networked quick fix would have
> made me listen to the music i.s.o. doing all casing work all over
> again.
> If such a suggestion should be a
Greg Erskine wrote:
>
>
> I think this was edwardthern's original intention, give it a go. It is
> simple to do, only takes a few minutes and there is no $$$ cost.
>
>
Indeed There is no $$$ cost but the cost on system performance an or
stability made me decide to abandon it.
And to be hones
Greg Erskine wrote:
> I do find commercial products based on voodoo immoral, maybe if people
> experimented with "free" voodoo they would be less likely to be conned?
Voodoo based on cluelessness is just as much voodoo as the voodoo based
on greed. "Let them experiment with it and see that it do
Greg Erskine wrote:
> Thanks. I have done this test myself with the same result, but it would
> be good for tweak promoters to include the same type of test.
>
> regards
> Greg
Most people see every day the results of variable cpu loading on a
digital playback system when watching blu ray rips o
Mnyb wrote:
> Our friend Archimago tried just that in his blog a while ago, he loaded
> some computer close to 100% while putting out audio to a DAC or the
> motherboards own audio chip . The DAC performed to spec until the system
> become overwhelmed and you get buffering and breakups , no slid
Greg Erskine wrote:
> Hi M-H;
>
> Nice post. I think this was edwardthern's original intention, give it a
> go. It is simple to do, only takes a few minutes and there is no $$$
> cost.
>
> I do think edwardthern was a little harshly done by in this thread and
> unfortunately that provoked a "re
M-H wrote:
> Hi All, this excellent thread made me decide to to sign up, and perhaps
> offer a bit of counterweight to people leaving to the less techie parts
> of of the discussion/internet.
> It was fun to read, with laughs, and also enough real info on the
> subject to make me able to make an
M-H wrote:
> Hi All, this excellent thread made me decide to to sign up, and perhaps
> offer a bit of counterweight to people leaving to the less techie parts
> of of the discussion/internet.
Thanks, and welcome!
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growi
Julf wrote:
> . to warn newcomers (not that there are many newcomers these
> days).
Hi All, this excellent thread made me decide to to sign up, and perhaps
offer a bit of counterweight to people leaving to the less techie parts
of of the discussion/internet.
It was fun to read, with laug
drmatt wrote:
> I wouldn't do this, in general.
Lets Face it...
"Some" new user wrotes some lines with a tweak.
Instead of posting / using 3 steps - he just using one step.
- *The Step PAM*
- Thread Priorities
- *Start recording *
sorry mate (TO): That doesnt make any sense at all.
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drmatt wrote:
> These changes set the kernel up to prefer keeping things in memory and
> to flush data to disk sooner. This is about preventing threads from
> stalling nothing to do with audio quality. Arguably a stalled thread
> means an audible glitch in playback or record, but that's not the t
drmatt wrote:
> Reality includes crap like Trump and Brexit. I'm quite happy with my own
> brand of insanity instead.. :)
You have a point... :)
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge t
edwardthern wrote:
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/0)
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/1)
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/2)
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/3)
I meant to add before that this increases the priority of all the
interrupt processing on your system, not ju
Julf wrote:
> Most people don't care about reality that much.
Reality includes crap like Trump and Brexit. I'm quite happy with my own
brand of insanity instead.. :)
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drmatt wrote:
> Reality is most people don't care that much.
Most people don't care about reality that much.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge that will fool many people" - Paul W
Julf wrote:
> Yes, hifi really is a silly hobby that has no impact on what happens to
> the world, but it is also not rocket science, so there is no reason to
> entertain superstition and pseudoscience.
Fair enough to state one time but there's no need to keep reiterating as
it just goes downhil
Was my post not patronising or self important enough? I've been
practising too.. :)
"Welcoming"? I don't think so. People can't share opinions without being
beaten down or challenged to prove it with a double blind test every
five seconds. Reality is most people don't care that much.
drmatt wrote:
> I think what the honourable gentlemen are attempting to get across to
> you, in their usual patronising self important way, blah, blah, blah...
Before you go placing yourself above the rest of us, consider that this
kind of thread is for long-term members nothing if not predictabl
drmatt wrote:
> Personally I am ambivalent about this. I don't much care if people want
> to buy esoterica that offers whatever improved X or Y or in fact nothing
> at all but a sense of style, or who want to tweak all day long. No one
> got hurt, no one went broke, and worst case scenario if som
I think what the honourable gentlemen are attempting to get across to
you, in their usual patronising self important way, is that science does
indeed show that people are very very bad at accurately and consistently
judging sound. In all aspects of human senses there is an element of
self-deceptio
drmatt wrote:
> No, aggressive and persistently patronising remarks means they d o n '
> t c o m e r o u n d h e r e n o m o r e , truth or otherwise.
>
> Not that this thread is that bad, really..
That was my plan.
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edwardthern wrote:
> Let you guys go back to listening to tin cans and strings.
>
You've seen a picture of my high-end audiophool system! ;)
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Julf wrote:
> (not that there are many newcomers these days).
No, aggressive and persistently patronising remarks means they don't
come round here no more, truth or otherwise.
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Julf wrote:
> Thank you - I think most of us take that as a compliment.
>
>
>
> Indeed. I recommend 'Computer Audiophile'
> (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/forum/), they are much more into the
> placebophile lifestyle, and they could use more eyeballs for advertising
> and sponsorship incom
edwardthern wrote:
> Yeah you're right, I wouldn't call the folks here Audiophile's.
Thank you - I think most of us take that as a compliment.
> Better to let people know who can actually hear a difference.
Indeed. I recommend 'Computer Audiophile'
(http://www.computeraudiophile.com/forum/),
drmatt wrote:
> I would be very surprised if the chrt tweaks documented at the beginning
> of this thread had any effect to playback at all. Bits is bits, and
> short of having an actual buffer underrun on playback almost nothing
> else is likely to be audible.
I wish there was a way to add a "f
Pascal Hibon wrote:
> Careful not to forget the audiophile grade power cables to power the
> switches, modems, etc !
And I guess it all has to run off batteries. I still haven't found
sub-power stations with linear regulators.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In t
All this for sugesting that you should only focus your effort in
diffrences that actually exist ? wheter we can "hear things" is not
actually always relevent.
The human phsycke is actually very sugestible you can hear all sorts of
things all the time with sigthed testing .
If the systems electric
mudlark wrote:
> So tell me what the above code does to improve sound quality. Just to
> educate this person and hopefully many others. just remember I have a
> brain and I can read.
These changes set the kernel up to prefer keeping things in memory and
to flush data to disk sooner. This is about
edwardthern wrote:
> Yeah you're right, I wouldn't call the folks here Audiophile's.
>
> Better to let people know who can actually hear a difference.
https://youtu.be/QNCM8IjtQ-o
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JackOfAll wrote:
> Sorry, can you please speak up? I can't quite hear you. A little
> deaf. Where did I leave my ear trumpet?
Right next to your glasses
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Julf wrote:
>
> Well, we already have golden-ear audiophile ethernet cables. How long
> before special audiophile network switches, modems, and even Audiophile
> Internet Service Providers who only use aerospace grade fibre optics
> that have been connected in a direction determined by listening
edwardthern wrote:
>
> Better to let people know who can actually hear a difference.
Sorry, can you please speak up? I can't quite hear you. A little
deaf. Where did I leave my ear trumpet?
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mherger wrote:
> > I bought a zero zone linear power supply for the RPi. I let it break
> in
> > a bit last night. Went and had a listen this morning before work and
> > WOW! Huge difference in sound, the clarity is through the roof!
>
> Please post your findings in an appropriate thread in the
I bought a zero zone linear power supply for the RPi. I let it break in
a bit last night. Went and had a listen this morning before work and
WOW! Huge difference in sound, the clarity is through the roof!
Please post your findings in an appropriate thread in the audiophiles
group. Thanks!
--
If you want to continue this discussion, I suggest you do it in the
"audiophile" subforum that exists precisely to protect other parts of
the forum from stuff like this.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will b
I bought a zero zone linear power supply for the RPi. I let it break in
a bit last night. Went and had a listen this morning before work and
WOW! Huge difference in sound, the clarity is through the roof!
Can't wait to get back and start working with those kernel latency
settings
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edwardthern wrote:
> Look at these crazy unsubstantiated, unproven, unscientific, tweaks used
> by Rune Audio...and thats just a small sample of their user sound
> profiles.
>
> They must be crazyas a fox
>
> # mod1
> if [ "$1" == "ACX" ]; then
> echo -n performance >
> /sys/devices/sys
Julf wrote:
> Nobody is trying to listen by using reasoning or measurements, but many
> of us are trying to actually understand and verify what is going on
> instead of just assuming things.
>
>
>
> Again a rather poor and misleading analogy - they might not know
> precisely (for a rather stri
mherger wrote:
> >> I agree, so are people who try to "Listen" by using some form of
> >> reasoning or looking at measurements.
> >
> > Nobody is trying to listen by using reasoning or measurements, but
> many
> > of us are trying to actually understand and verify what is going on
> > instead of
I agree, so are people who try to "Listen" by using some form of
reasoning or looking at measurements.
Nobody is trying to listen by using reasoning or measurements, but many
of us are trying to actually understand and verify what is going on
instead of just assuming things.
Don't you guys thi
edwardthern wrote:
> I agree, so are people who try to "Listen" by using some form of
> reasoning or looking at measurements.
Nobody is trying to listen by using reasoning or measurements, but many
of us are trying to actually understand and verify what is going on
instead of just assuming thing
Julf wrote:
> Indeed. That is precisely how computers, amplifiers and other systems
> are designed - by trying random things and seeing if the result happens
> to work. All that "understanding the technology" siliness is so
> over-rated...
I agree, so are people who try to "Listen" by using some
Mnyb wrote:
> That's not a real argument :D audiophilia in general has been broken for
> several decades , it once was a respectable hobby now turned to a cult ?
> manufacturers are not immune they often willingly participate in the FUD
> .
Well thats your POV.
I've been in audiophilla for
edwardthern wrote:
> You listen and make your own list. Better yet run over to Rune audio and
> tell them to make a list for you...
Indeed. That is precisely how computers, amplifiers and other systems
are designed - by trying random things and seeing if the result happens
to work. All that "und
mudlark wrote:
> So tell me what the above code does to improve sound quality. Just to
> educate this person and hopefully many others. just remember I have a
> brain and I can read.
You listen and make your own list. Better yet run over to Rune audio and
tell them to make a list for you...
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edwardthern wrote:
> Look at these crazy unsubstantiated, unproven, unscientific, tweaks used
> by Rune Audio...and thats just a small sample of their user sound
> profiles.
>
> They must be crazyas a fox
>
> # mod1
> if [ "$1" == "ACX" ]; then
> echo -n performance >
> /sys/devices/sys
edwardthern wrote:
> Are you a scientist?
What is your definition of scientist? I have an academic background
electrical engineering and computer science, but I consider myself an
engineer, not a scientist - but even engineers have to understand and
apply the scientific method.
> Blue light? Wh
In shorter words .
Perceptual bias is so strong that you really can't say anything by just
sighted listening test not you or me .
So a sighted test carries no information about if the sound actually
changed . Only that you thought it did which is not the same thing .
So measure and do an ABX te
edwardthern wrote:
> Look at these crazy unsubstantiated, unproven, unscientific, tweaks used
> by Rune Audio...and thats just a small sample of their user sound
> profiles.
>
> They must be crazyas a fox
>
> # mod1
> if [ "$1" == "ACX" ]; then
> echo -n performance >
> /sys/devices/sys
Look at these crazy unsubstantiated, unproven, unscientific, tweaks used
by Rune Audio...and thats just a small sample of their user sound
profiles.
They must be crazyas a fox
# mod1
if [ "$1" == "ACX" ]; then
echo -n performance >
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
if
JackOfAll wrote:
> Is it audiophile steak?
Yep!!
And its full of Voodoo magic tweaks...;);)
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edwardthern wrote:
> Meanwhile I'm eating my steak and enjoying how good it tastes
>
Is it audiophile steak?
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DJanGo wrote:
> wait...
>
>
>
> Thats your initial post.
> Lets face it:confused:
> > >
- There is no localboot.sh in /opt
- There is no need to sudo a startupscript
- "The" source clearly talks about audio recording
> > >
> hmm who is funny ???
> :rolleyes:
Meanwhile I'm eating m
edwardthern wrote:
> You guys are so funny.
>
> I put a link of the source so it's not a idea, theory out even a message
> from God.
wait...
edwardthern wrote:
> I updated the /opt/localboot.sh file to show the following for increased
> audio thread priorities. I really do like what I am heari
Julf wrote:
> I am sure that will help your argument to no end...
>
>
>
> I am sure we appear ridiculous to someone not used to strict logic and
> scientific rigour..
>
>
>
> False argument. "John says shining a blue light to a steak makes it
> taste better. John describes what he tastes a
edwardthern wrote:
> You guys are off the chart
>
> You guys are going through all this to try to show how smart you think
> your are buy really you are looking just the opposite.
>
I am sure that will help your argument to no end...
> Take your logic or lack thereof and apply it to other sit
Mnyb wrote:
> My sugestions about a rational testing method ? Was that negativity ?
>
> You can sugest a completely of the chart thing to test , who knows
> really .
>
> But it is the choice of testing methods that matters most .
>
> There is also this , if you make an extraordinary claim you
My sugestions about a rational testing method ? Was that negativity ?
You can sugest a completely of the chart thing to test , who knows
really .
But it is the choice of testing methods that matters most .
There is also this , if you make an extraordinary claim you better have
the corresponding
mudlark wrote:
> For may people testing an improvement to audio equipment works one way
> and one way only. Theory > testing >conclusion. It does not go Idea >
> testing > conclusion.
>
> As an example, there is no rational theory that goes along the lines of
> "low latency means better audio qu
edwardthern wrote:
> With so much negativity towards these simple little tweaks I suppose its
> a general consensus that the "Tweaks" section and "Beta" should be
> removed from PiCore.
>
> At least removed until proper DBT testing can be done to Prove its
> validity?
For may people testing an
Julf wrote:
> Should have gone for that, would have been more exciting than electrical
> engineering.
Yes of courselol
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edwardthern wrote:
> Let meet guess you're a aerospace engineer?
Should have gone for that, would have been more exciting than electrical
engineering.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
Julf wrote:
> If you see rational questioning of your claims as "negativity" I would
> suggest you don't have much experience with academic peer review...
Yes I'm one of the few who have never written peer reviewed journal
article. Of course on the internet everyone seems to be a scientist,
engin
valnar wrote:
> This gave me a good chuckle. Thanks. It's been a while since I read
> stuff like this over at Audioasylum.com
Did I mention the soundstage. It was huge!
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edwardthern wrote:
> Hi
>
> To my ears I can hear a bit more depth and separation in the music.
> Highs seem less stressed [not like they were really stressed before
> though] but they seem more airy and clear. Lows seem to be a bit more
> punchy. Overall everything is very relaxed yet very clea
edwardthern wrote:
> With so much negativity towards these simple little tweaks
If you see rational questioning of your claims as "negativity" I would
suggest you don't have much experience with academic peer review...
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast
edwardthern wrote:
> With so much negativity towards these simple little tweaks I suppose its
> a general consensus that the "Tweaks" section and "Beta" should be
> removed from PiCore.
>
> At least removed until proper DBT testing can be done to Prove its
> validity?
Not negativity, just looki
With so much negativity towards these simple little tweaks I suppose its
a general consensus that the "Tweaks" section and "Beta" should be
removed from PiCore.
At least removed until proper DBT testing can be done to Prove its
validity?
-
edwardthern wrote:
> First off I would like the thank the PiCorePlayer team for all their
> hard work for this excellent player!!!
>
> I am wondering if the team would entertain the idea of optimizing PiCore
> for audio.
>
> For example the audio threads as outlined in ALSA's Low Latency howto
Do some measurements see for example archimagos excellent blog I would
also recommend audidiffmaker to filter forth differences.
The key here is to filter out the first round of duds . If the
electrical output is unchanged the sound waves hitting your ear will be
exactly the same .
The remaining
edwardthern wrote:
> The debate about playback vs recording latency has been had for a very
> very long time.
Its nice to add some Realtime Hack for audio to an more or less complex
system.
But Picoreplayer is a dedicated and minimalized system only to do some
special things.
There is no user wh
bambadoo wrote:
> Tried the tweak. Cannot say I noticed any difference.
Great!
Thats all I asked, is for people to try it and report back.
So how long did it take you to copy/paste and listen?
Hopefully it took you less time than to make a post.
I'm thinking if you put it in the tweaks secti
Tried the tweak. Cannot say I noticed any difference.
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edwardthern wrote:
> Don't want to go off on a tangent.
Well, you might not have wanted to, but I think you succeeded. :)
> Double blind tests etc are used to prove something I'm not
> interested in a Nobel prize or proving anything to anyone. If someone
> tries a 'tweak' and feels they nee
I am just st going to continue saving up for some better speakers.
*Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets
*Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 ->
Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B&W P7
*Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Cel
I'll be giving it a try as soon as I have the time to do so.
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edwardthern wrote:
> I find it interesting that so much time is spent writing about this yet
> -zero- time has been spent on just copying and pasting the one line into
> PiCore and having a listen.
>
> Are people afraid they might actually hear a difference and have to
> resort to a DBT to prove
I find it interesting that so much time is spent writing about this yet
-zero- time has been spent on just copying and pasting the one line into
PiCore and having a listen.
Are people afraid they might actually hear a difference and have to
resort to a DBT to prove it to themselves they are not h
Julf wrote:
> Indeed. Let's listen to our ears, and only our ears. Not our eyes, nor
> our preconceived notions or expectation biases.
>
> Unfortunately the only way to do that is a controlled double-blind test,
> something audiophiles hate. Because it forces them to use just their
> ears. But
edwardthern wrote:
> Lets just keep an open mind and listen to our ears.
Indeed. Let's listen to our ears, and only our ears. Not our eyes, nor
our preconceived notions or expectation biases.
Unfortunately the only way to do that is a controlled double-blind test,
something audiophiles hate. B
I'd prefer not to go down the "Audiophile" hole.
Lets just keep an open mind and listen to our ears.
:p
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Julf wrote:
> Audiophile Internet Service Providers who only use aerospace grade
> fibre optics that have been connected in a direction determined by
> listening sessions?
Where do I sign up?
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^ Makes sense, thanks.
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Apesbrain wrote:
> The file is called "bootlocal.sh". Can you please post back with the
> entire contents of this file as you are now using it? Mine has no line
> breaks so it is difficult to determine where to insert any new commands.
> Thanks.
Hi Apesbrain
Yes its indeed called bootlocal.sh
mudlark wrote:
> I am very firmly of the view that pCP should be at the centre of the
> player.
>
> It should remain what I can only call mainstream and also enable
> experimenters to explore possibilities.
>
> I strongly support that plan that "things to try" should remain just
> that rather
edwardthern wrote:
> I updated the /opt/localboot.sh file to show the following for increased
> audio thread priorities. I really do like what I am hearing.
>
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/0)
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/1)
> sudo chrt -f -p 99 $(pidof ksoftirqd/2)
> sudo chrt
mudlark wrote:
> I strongly support that plan that "things to try" should remain just
> that rather than being integrated into the standard player.
And perhaps with a very clear "if you fiddle with these, and things stop
working, it's not our problem" form one has to acknowledge?
> Multi-core p
Greg Erskine wrote:
> hi edwardthern,
>
> I was planning to add to the web interface these kind of "things to try"
> to make it easy for people to give them a whirl. So keep them coming, I
> am taking note.
>
> regards
> Greg
I am very firmly of the view that pCP should be at the centre of the
Greg Erskine wrote:
> hi edwardthern,
>
> I was planning to add to the web interface these kind of "things to try"
> to make it easy for people to give them a whirl. So keep them coming, I
> am taking note.
>
> regards
> Greg
Wow thanks!!:D:D
I sure will, its really nice to see people at leas
edwardthern wrote:
> First off I would like the thank the PiCorePlayer team for all their
> hard work for this excellent player!!!
>
> I am wondering if the team would entertain the idea of optimizing PiCore
> for audio.
>
> For example the audio threads as outlined in ALSA's Low Latency howto
Man in a van wrote:
> I can understand the desire to reduce latency when making a recording
> but does it really matter during playback?
>
> I know some software players operate in a buffer mode, but again, I
> don't know how effective or important this is.
>
> In fact, I don't understand any o
I can understand the desire to reduce latency when making a recording
but does it really matter during playback?
I know some software players operate in a buffer mode, but again, I
don't know how effective or important this is.
In fact, I don't understand any of it fully, but if I get some time
Also, I use a host of other tweaks/modifications in my Linux setups. I
usually spend a long time [months] adjusting parameters etc. before I
either use them or abandon them in lieu of stock settings.
Some of the things I consider are; understanding exactly what the tweak
does at the kernel level
Cut-Throat wrote:
> Can you describe what are these 'positive changes' that you have heard?
Hi
To my ears I can hear a bit more depth and separation in the music.
Highs seem less stressed [not like they were really stressed before
though] but they seem more airy and clear. Lows seem to be a bit
edwardthern wrote:
> FWIW, I have been using these examples for a very long time in all of my
> Linux based audio setups and have heard positive improvements/changes.
>
Can you describe what are these 'positive changes' that you have heard?
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