evolution slid into my
workflow, if I have a workflow, which I often doubt.
Charles
On Aug 24, 2005, at 4:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
(off-list)
Richard,
This is terrific -- I just downloaded it & used it for ten
minutes and I'm already hooked. Fra
On Aug 24, 2005, at 3:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
That's the downside of being so busy: bugs in my tools don't get
fixed as quickly as I'd like.
I'm up against a hairy deadline right now, but I'll look into that
at first opportunity and post an update. You can use the updater
in the
ected." Then Properties *does* seem (by its title) to
switch to showing the card.
Charles Hartman
On Aug 24, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Jon wrote:
Is there any easy way to find all occurrences of the word "Send"
in all scripts in a stack?
My devolution tool
I'm positively childishly pleased to report that my simple
implementation of a history-list for a single stack or substack
works. It confines itself to that stack alone (unlike the Rev-
internal commands relevant to "recent" -- but thanks to Jacque for
her suggestions that made me learn more
no handlers are executing.
That looks like it might be the problem . . .
Charles
On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:42 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
> I'll try this. But it looks like (am I wrong? always a good
> possibility!), as long as the substack is open, cards from othe
open while the user navigates
through the main stack, occasionally opening new cards in the substack.)
Charles
On Aug 18, 2005, at 12:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
> Thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't behave quite the way I need
--
k mySubStack") is accepted by the message box, but the stack
restriction in the command doesn't seem to have any effect -- I just
go back through the recentCards history list in all stacks, including
IDE stacks.
What am I missing this time??
Charles
On Aug 18, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Cha
Thanks. Unfortunately that doesn't behave quite the way I need -- it
goes back through cards no matter what stack they're in. I need the
buttons to navigate just within the substack. So I'm looking at ways
to parse the recentCards property. (Messy, but easier than building
my own specialize
path
Forwards. Somewhere, I have to delete lines from gHistoryList that
are "below" the gHistoryPointer . . .
Confused & glad to get any advice,
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Or you (the developer) can simply open Get Info on the stack file and
change the Open With there, before distributing the stack. Either
way, you produce a stack which can be double-clicked to run under the
Player.
The problem comes when you -- or rather your not-in-the-know user --
double
That is not what happens when I click the DC Player on my PowerBook
running Tiger. Maybe something is strange about my system, but I
don't think so, and the Player app obviously works (is not
corrupted.) So we seem to have *both* bad behavior (on my PB) and
inconsistent behavior.
As for c
Well, it's me too. Is there a bug report on this? If so I'll be glad
to spend votes on it. As things are, I'm going to have to wrap my app
(=stack) in warning stickers.
Charles
On Aug 13, 2005, at 11:31 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
Yeah, as I've said here before, the Player just isn't well
docum
On Aug 13, 2005, at 9:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
When I launch the (OSX) Dreamcard Player by double-clicking the
app (not a stack), I'm getting *nothing* -- just a splash /
starup screen with "Preparing..." and "Checking license..."
arrow. The arrow isn't clickable; nothing is; and the menu offers
nothing useful except Quit.
Clearly *not* what I want to instruct my Dreamcard-stack users to do.
But if the app is there (if they've downloaded both my stack and the
Player
Dennis
On Aug 13, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
I need to include an ampersand -- numToChar(38) -- in the text of
one menuItem associated with a button. I've put it there, and I
can check it in the message box (put char 10 of the last line of
text of btn "MyButton")
need a double-quote mark, an ampersand, and another double-quote. I
just get two double-quotes with nothing in between. How do I persuade
the ampersand to show up? It doesn't seem to have a constant, like
"quote". Do I need to insert an escape character in the text of the
On Aug 9, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Marielle Lange wrote:
I wonder, what has been the "oohhh, this is interesting" moment for
the new users on this list.
My 2 more cents:
I think elsewhere in your post you put your finger on part of the
problem. Many people on the list came to Rev from Hypercard.
And is there any way to convince the TTS system -- on Mac or Windows
-- to stress a word differently (or more strongly) than the internal
dictionary tells it? (Recent example from the news: do we say
"SUBmariner" or "subMAriner".) Is this something that can be
controlled through Rev's inter
e
other way (start the player, open the stack) without elaborate
instructions.
Charles Hartman
On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
It was my understanding that the online viewer launches in the
Player every time, because there is NO OTHER WAY to open a stack!
Again
Hear, hear!
If you want to BZ this, I'll certainly vote for it.
Charles Hartman
On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:25 AM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
It was my understanding that the online viewer launches in the
Player every time, because there is NO OTHER WAY to open a stack!
Again I say this i
.
The capabilities are otherwise the same, as far as I can tell, except
for some fairly advanced stuff (commercial database queries for
example) that -- so far -- I don't think I'll need.
There's the amateur view. Those Who Know will tell you more.
Charles Hartman
On Au
namic" is good, but.
Charles
On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:53 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
At 11:20 AM -0400 8/5/2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
Well, I don't know. Now that it's pointed out to me, I see in the
Doc under 'this' only mentions of 'this card' and &#
In my very patchy experience, what's surprising and confusing --
whether you used HyperCard or not, though in different ways -- is the
overlap / non-overlap between "groups" and "backgrounds". Obviously
they have a lot in common (since a Rev background _is_ a group,
though one with a distin
ard...
Dont forget this group and this background...
X
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At 10:09 AM -0400 8/5/2005, Charles Hartman w
In a mouseUp handler for a radio-button group called "my group", I
would have thought I could refer to the hilitedButtonName of the
group without specifying it any further. But
answer the hilitedButtonName
doesn't give the right response. Neither does
answer the hilitedButtonName of
Ah! Never mind -- I just found the target() function.
Charles
On Aug 4, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
Thanks -- and to Alex, too -- I hadn't thought of grouping the
check-boxes. I'm first going to try a simpler & more permissive
approach and see how the user-ex
a delay of some sort?
Assuming the former, one easy way to do this would be to put the
checkboxes in a group and the radio buttons in a group and then
when the user checks a checkbox, disable the checkbox group until
he clicks a radio button. Then in the radio button group, re-enable
the chec
I assume
I'd put it in the handler for each check-box, and I guess I'd have to
make the radio-button group emit a custom message when a button (or
the right button) is pressed. Is that right, or even close to right?
Thanks as always for any help.
Charles Hartman
and) onto the other
cards where you need it.
Hope this can help...
Le 4 août 05 à 15:53, Charles Hartman a écrit :
I'm really baffled. Following suggestions on list, I'm handling
the transfer of data to a "dialog" substack by copying a group.
The group contains an im
;ve been over the docs several (many) times, and can't find
out where the gap in my conception is.
I hope this makes enough sense to be answerable -- it doesn't make
much sense to me any more.
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t;go to" them, the navigation doesn't take as long.
This can be helpful if you're going to a large stack.
HTH.
Phil Davis
Charles Hartman wrote:
I'm not clear about when a substack "exists." I want to set some
custom properties in a substack from a script in
Thanks. Two details just to check --
On Aug 2, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I suspect it'll be just fine in the standlone. I've done this a few
times as I recall and haven't seen any negative consequences.
And the same with a stack to be run under the Player? (I have
Dreamcard; no st
Apple).
Would it make more sense for a stack being removed that way to take
any of its stacks with it into oblivion?
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true that Rev knows
all about it, and properties (custom or built-in) can be set before
it's opened? The IDE's own evidence is kind of mixed: the Application
Browser knows the substack while it's closed, but the Inspector doesn't.
Charles Hartman
I agree (with everybody), of course.
But it is true that until this thread came up I didn't think to look
in the Variable Watcher for signs of this. There were a couple of
globals that I had declared at an earlier experimental stage of
development of this project, still hanging around witho
One more question (for now!) about this operation: how do I get rid
of it? In testing, I've opened the substack half a dozen times -- and
there are half a dozen copies of the group in the substack. Obviously
I've got to dump 'em somehow (in a script when the stack closes?),
but how? They're
Woops. Now _that's_ embarrassing. Thanks, Brian.
Charles
On Aug 1, 2005, at 9:08 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
I believe the problem you are having is that you are going to the
substack and then using a short reference to the group, which of
course does not exist yet in the substack.
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OK, I believe you. But I'm missing something really simple about how
to do it. (I haven't used this syntax before.) If the group is on one
card in my main stack (with its Visible set false), and in the script
of a button on the same card I open a substack and try to copy the
group to it, I
On Aug 1, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
I'm curious... why won't "copy group" solve your problem? That's
currently
the Rev-native way to do this kind of stuff (unless I'm not
understanding
correctly what you're trying to do).
It probably will. It just doesn't feel as tidy as if I cou
onder if this limitation (if I understand it correctly) gets in
anyone else's way?
Charles
On Aug 1, 2005, at 12:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 8/1/05 7:44 AM, "Charles Hartman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
This has got to be simple, but I'm stuck: how do I get a
them and I want to automate
sending them to a dialog box.
Hope the question is coherent.
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In Python, too, you can change the loop variable; but every time
execution goes back to the top of the loop, the variable takes on the
next value it _would have_ taken, no matter what you've done to it in
the meantime. (If I remember right.) Kind of a handy combination --
as long as you rem
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Charles,
Thank you.
That was very helpful, especially the script.
Paul Looney
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ed up using an if-block to choose:
if "Courier" is among the lines of the fontNames then
put "Courier" into tNewMonoFont
else
put "Courier New" into tNewMonoFont
end if
. . .
set the textFont of someStack to tNewMonoFont
. . .
Charles Hartman
O
On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:53 AM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Thomas McGrath III wrote:
Pardon me chiming in here.
When using things like players and speech etc. it is our
responsibility to close them ourselves in our code when and if for
any reason our program is to quit. So I would put a piece of
On Jul 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Yes it does work, exactly as I and other Windows users would expect
it to work. It closes the app (or window) in whose title bar you
are at the time (or which has focus when you do Alt-F4). That's
what Windows *always* does.
Yes, I unders
On Jul 27, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
2. Is there some way to quit the Dreamcard Player in Windows
without Ctrl-Alt-Delete? Do I have to build an entire menu system
just for that, which I have no use for in the Mac version?
Quit the Player itself, or the stack you are curren
Wow, yes, RevZilla is very cool indeed. Thanks!
Charles
On Jul 26, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
On 7/26/05 7:09 PM, "Charles Hartman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?
Whenever I try I get an error mes
1. The problem I reported about the disappearing cursor does have a
temporary solution, which I got from one of the comments in the
Bugzilla report: include in some stack script the lines
delete stack "revCursors"
reset cursors
Presto. And that should suggest a fix for the bug, sho
Thanks very much. That isn't what I'm trying to do -- not any more.
Originally I did want to do that, so as to line up metrical scansion
marks -- rather like diacritics, you're right -- over text. But I
didn't know about the formattedWidth property (which turns out to be
nifty now that I kn
On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:50 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
If you do a search on the mailing list for "cross platform fonts"
you'll get tons of hits. Here's Dar's info:
http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution@lists.runrev.com/
msg26708.html
Thanks very much. Since Dar's table shows that even C
Does anybody else have a problem searching the bugzilla using Safari?
Whenever I try I get an error message saying that "The page you
opened redirected you to a page that isn't supported by Safari." It
adds, "Safari can't open the page because it cannot
redirect to locations starting with
No no, you're right, I wasn't thinking clearly. (How novel!) _One_
version of the text-and-marks field, screen-shot and therefore
reliable in size, with covering fields tailored to that immutable
size. Yes, that ought to work. I'll try it, especially if I can't get
the text-size-changing ap
On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
PROBLEM 1: On WinXP, the cursor disappears whenever I mouse onto
a stack.
If you could add your comments to the bug report, the team might be
able to track it down. I don't think it depends on the stack
itself, since those people
There's another bug or two (BZ 2138 and another one I can't see
right now) that might be what you're seeing. These happen when you
run a stack on WinXP by double-clicking on the stack icon. I
created BZ 2138 for this problem with the Dreamcard Player - and
since I wasn't sure if it was in
On Jul 26, 2005, at 4:11 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
Even if you use Courier New and you find the Win and Mac equivalent
textSizes, you'll still encounter the issue of different text
origin points in the field on the respective platforms. (By 'origin
point' I mean the x:y coordinate within the fi
l 26, 2005, at 2:36 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
Yes. I believe so. It is due to a difference in HIG for the two
platforms.
Judy
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Charles Hartman wrote:
Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stack
? I'm not using (specifying) anything in the way of icons at all. I
do set the background (fill) color of the card differently in
different parts of the main stack to keep the user oriented, but that
doesn't look like the problem -- the cursor disappears over the
_whole_ face of the stack,
Thanks. Let me just make sure I understand this part. Do you mean
that I need to have platform-dependency code in my stacks, so every
time I use "answer" I'd need something like this?
if tPlatform is "OSX" then
answer "Here's a sample" with "one" or "two" or "three"
else
answer "Here'
opaque, borderless
fields, which are hidden (revealing the mark below) in response to
mouse-clicks. But on WinXP, though the font is the same (Courier
New), the size is different! So the mark-hiding fields don't cover
their marks.
Charles Hartman
eal -- it
only _looks_ like a big deal and translates into an impression of a
confusing interface, even though it's a detail and not a genuine
conceptual mystery.
Charles Hartman
On Jul 26, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
But the question here is: Is Rev's UI real
I'm wrong about that. I think it's the IDE
that could use more thorough documentation. But then, I'm scraping by
without getting Dan Schafer's book, so maybe it's just a complaint
for the penurious & the stingy . . .
Charles Hartman
On Jul 25, 2005, at 7:30 PM
It's not going to make me any more popular, but I have to say that
this seems like an example of the basic problem. It's a pretty
glaring bug -- as someone else pointed out, if you make the print
dialog available, you probably need to pay attention to what it says.
Some of the unicode and o
keep staring at it. No spelling erorr, as far as I can
see.
Thanks.
Charles Hartman
On Jul 23, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:
Charles,
What version of Rev are you running?
The ability to see array contents was added in 2.6, but you have to
click on it to see the contents in
x27;s declared global in those scripts.) Do I
need to declare the variable as an array somehow? Is there a way,
that I've just plain missed, of initializing a variable at the same
time as declaring its scope?
Sorry, I'm just getting st
Magnifique. Thanks!
coh
On Jul 23, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Charles,
All questions always make sense.
Some answers no :-)
Le 23 juil. 05 à 15:19, Charles Hartman a écrit :
Is there a way to prevent a button from being hilited when
clicked? I want to put hilite under
. . .
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ent the hilite from
toggling back and forth, and also prevent a "tasks to do" counter
from being decremented.)
Hope the question makes sense.
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Cool -- thanks -- but don't you want to call it
The Invisible Hand
?
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On Jul 22, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Roger Guay wrote:
I just uploaded a stack to User Spaces that illustrates how mouse
movement and action can be simulated. This may be useful for
ex
- if
I'm *also* getting the arithmetic right -- would mean 64,446,024 ten-
letter words to check. Looks like everyone's instinct to go the other
way was sound.
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est: is this in a substack? If yes to both, that's the bug I
posted. (Solution found later: pre-hard-wire the default font in the
substack.)
Charles Hartman
On Jul 20, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
After it inserts that link, which is a wing-dings character, it then
resets th
problem with second displays on Mac.
I should mention, my
two screens have different resolutions, which is not uncommon.
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ack.
The solution is to put into a preOpenStack handler in the MAIN stack
a line like this:
set the textfont of stack "My Substack" to the effective
textfont of stack "My Substack"
(It's possible to do this for multiple substacks by building a list
of them.)
What
hout the foolish rigidity)
and "specify everything exactly" (which is the Assembler approach--
without libraries!).
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- some other index scheme ...
Spotlight.
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wants to poke into a problem that I, for one, am about to give up on
-- it's too far inside Rev's guts for me to have any ideas left about
fixing or even working around it.
coh
On Jul 10, 2005, at 10:02 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
The idea is to call this handler from an openStack
t I do find the "Topics" section
ridiculously slow. I try not to use it unless I'm really stuck.
-- especially the "Containers, variables . . ." area, which takes 17
to 25 seconds to load on a 1.5GHz PowerBook -- & everything else
stops dead!. (I've filed
n the field fails to
switch to the new default font. Why would this happen in the substack
and not the main stack?
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ith it to bloat it so much? Can't be just Unicode, I think --
HTML?)
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On Jul 9, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Charles Hartman wrote:
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I for one would _love_ to be able to write externals for Rev in
Python (especially Python 2.4), a language I know reasonably well and
like very, very much.
Charles Hartman
On Jul 9, 2005, at 6:51 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
Glen Bojsza wrote:
This is what I think would make a great Rev
se has the same combination of problems I've had.
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on preOpenStack
-- could c
arles Hartman
On Jul 8, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Charles Hartman wrote:
Let me put it another way. If I want all text in a field that
doesn't have a specified font to be in the owner's font -- isn't
that the whole idea of inheritance? -- then why should th
stack that's meant to run
on more than one platform, for example?
Or to put it yet another way: don't mean to be obstreperous, but how
to I work around this "feature"?
Charles Hartman
On Jul 8, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
Hi Charles,
Rev has a weird beha
.
I'm not able to think of a way not to call this a serious bug. Is
there a workaround?? Am I missing something basic?
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set the htmlText of fld f of card c to hold[c]
end repeat
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o many lines of code.
Cool. But (1) what about "special handling" that affects not a whole
field but some chunks within the field? And (2) doesn't this approach
take an awful lot of (that is, potentially a noticeable amount of) time?
Charles Hartman
etting the
style of everything to Plain, changing the font, then
reformatting . . . a nightmare. At the moment, nothing better is
occurring to me.
Charles Hartman
On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the
first si
bigger, but making the button bigger just looks silly. What am
I missing?
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tting . . . a nightmare. At the moment, nothing better is
occurring to me.
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On Jul 6, 2005, at 8:03 AM, Charles Hartman wrote:
Let me clarifiy: a field contains a dozen lines, let's say; the
first six and last four have been created using Palatino, with
Palatino as the stac
meanwhile? That don't involve iterating over all lines
in all fields on all cards??
Charles Hartman
On Jul 6, 2005, at 2:07 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:
1. Combining a specified font and a "not specified" font:
If you have a field with no font specified (use owner's font) and
monospaced lines into separate objects would be quite a
mess, especially since they're embedded in scrolling fields, all of
which I would then have to turn into scrolling groups instead, on
dozens and dozens of cards.)
Any guidance welcome.
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o see another Rev user from Connecticut!
Dan
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I'll love to see it finished too . . . It may be a while; it's got
*lots* of finicky little pieces.
On Jul 5, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I would love to see your stack when finished.
GL
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that skimming! OK, I know it isn't as simple (or as complicated?) as
that . . . I just keep remembering Einstein, Things should be as
simple as possible, and no simpler. But I didn't mean to start a UI
or HIG thread.
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r pieces of the text.
Within that framework, I don't see how to do otherwise than the bit
whose ugliness you're quite right to point out. Of course the whole
framework may be screwy -- but that's a very large question about the
design & efficacy of on-screen tutorials.
Ch
moment I'm doing this is a non-scrolling
field inside a scrolling group, but aside from being tedious that has
other disadvantages, such as the scroll-wheel not working right.)
Charles Hartman
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