Dakota Jack wrote:
> Busschots, your refer to me as "Jack". Get it? Incredible! I have checked
> your history.
>
Which isn't your name, so why do you care?
Dave
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Dakota Jack wrote:
> I am amazed you got it too. Thanks, Newton. I thought you were tight with
> Ted no matter what. Nice to see you have a mind of your own.
>
Well, you've clearly been too stupid to understand the other umpteen
times I've said "I'm not that big a fan of Struts." Coming fro
On 4/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyway, if you really think that kind of thing is wrong, you should IMO
> voice your objections consistently when this stuff occurs. I don't see
> you doing that.
>
That is because you are not capable of adult conversation. You have
proven
Ted Husted wrote:
Ummm, it's a longstanding tradition that we don't tolerate personal
attacks. I would consider it a personal courtesy if people would not
engage in personal insults, even on my behalf.
Ted, it's good that you are against people engaging in personal attacks.
However, I would ha
We would all appreciate it if you would prefix all your posts
correctly. Whenever you (Dakota Jack) post a message, you need to put
[spam] at the beginning.
Thank you and have nice day.
K.
On 4/25/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Busschots, your refer to me as "Jack". Get it? Inc
Busschots, your refer to me as "Jack". Get it? Incredible! I have checked
your history.
On 4/25/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > Busschots, you and Newton are really the worst on this list. You never
> have
> > code or ideas, only c-r--a---p.
> >
> >
> N
Dakota Jack wrote:
Busschots, you and Newton are really the worst on this list. You never have
code or ideas, only c-r--a---p.
No, I just help people when I can and learn from people when relevant
topics come up. Have a look back at the archives, you'll see me helping
people with questions
Niall Pemberton wrote:
On 4/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is what I think someone would find by examining the archive.
Whenever certain pointed questions are posed, one of two things happens:
(1) The person being posed the question simply walks away from the
discuss
Busschots, you and Newton are really the worst on this list. You never have
code or ideas, only c-r--a---p.
On 4/22/06, Bart Busschots <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > Ted Husted wrote:
> >> On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Second, all
I am amazed you got it too. Thanks, Newton. I thought you were tight with
Ted no matter what. Nice to see you have a mind of your own.
On 4/22/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > On 4/20/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, we have. Here's a
On 4/22/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is what I think someone would find by examining the archive.
> Whenever certain pointed questions are posed, one of two things happens:
>
> (1) The person being posed the question simply walks away from the
> discussion. This has happ
Ummm, it's a longstanding tradition that we don't tolerate personal
attacks. I would consider it a personal courtesy if people would not
engage in personal insults, even on my behalf.
We all have a limited number of volunteer hours to spend. I choose to
my time helping earnest users. If anyone wan
On 4/18/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't this odd that the committers are beginning to completely
> separate their efforts from what Ted calls the "community"?
They need to separate *you* from this list. Your moronic rants are
beyond tiring. Take you buttmonkey friend and leave
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Second, all the comitters have answered your questions very nicely
Yes, we have.
I don't know whether you actually believe this in your own mind.
However, there is a complete electronic ar
Dakota Jack wrote:
> On 4/20/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we have. Here's a handy summary for future reference:
>>
> Translation: do not deign to bother Oz with this rubbish again.
>
HOLY CRAP SOMEBODY GOT IT!!! And it was YOU!!!
Perhaps I've been too hard on you
Dakota Jack wrote:
> Do you think this is helpful? This has all the earmarks of displacement
> behavior.
>
Do you think most of _your_ commentary is helpful? It has all the
earmarks of wasted bandwidth.
Dave
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On 4/20/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> Yes, we have. Here's a handy summary for future reference:
Translation: do not deign to bother Oz with this rubbish again.
> The Apache Struts project continues to move that the same pace we
> always have. We generally run 18 months to
This does not make sense. For example, no one cares if there is a community
around Tiles. That might be nice, but Tiles is sufficiently done. No
community is necessary.
On 4/18/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/18/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd be happy to pas
Isn't this odd that the committers are beginning to completely separate
their efforts from what Ted calls the "community"?
On 4/18/06, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/18/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think Struts-devs said they are writing something new, once the new
>
) LOL
>
> Frank
>
> P.S. - Ok, I made up the stardate ;)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Dave Newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> Sent: 4/22/06 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: friday ha ha
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrot
quot;Dave Newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> Sent: 4/22/06 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: friday ha ha
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > I started writing a rebuttal to that and some of your points below,
> > but then stopped, because
Do you think this is helpful? This has all the earmarks of displacement
behavior.
On 4/22/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > I started writing a rebuttal to that and some of your points below,
> > but then stopped, because I realized that you would again ju
I guess you are saying that some observation and analysis of procedures and
their impact on the Struts list is not welcome as far as you are concerned.
Why would you care if he cares? This could get silly and does get silly
just for this reason. Why can you not engage in decent debate and
convers
e stardate ;)
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Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> I started writing a rebuttal to that and some of your points below,
> but then
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> I started writing a rebuttal to that and some of your points below,
> but then stopped, because I realized that you would again just walk
> away from the discussion.
Someone must have tweaked your neural net because this one wasn't
getting through before--awesome! Was it
Ted Husted wrote:
On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Second, all the comitters have answered your questions very nicely
Yes, we have.
I don't know whether you actually believe this in your own mind.
However, there is a complete electronic archive of this forum and I
This is like wizard of Oz. "Go Away". "But we cam to get a hart, a
brain, courage " "No one here now"
Why would anyone care if struts is not being "marketed" or need others
to approve of you decision to use something else?
If you find Spring better, good for you. If you find JSF better, good
Don Brown wrote:
Well said Ted! I'll add that while my attentions have lately been mostly
towards getting WebWork 2 of the incubator and starting Struts Action 2,
I have been tracking this over the past few months, and really, it seems
to be taking a very long time. Broadly speaking, it's mo
On 4/21/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that the leaders of the Struts community have a responsibility
> to the hundreds and thousands of existing users to give them as much
> choice as possible, and not to close the door prematurely on any options
> which could make sense to a l
As we all know, Struts has evolved in recent times from being a just a
framework to being a "community" supporting two "separate but equal"
frameworks which have nothing to do with each other except a shared
name, and perhaps a couple of shared committers.
I think the message that is going out
Yeah, hell yeah!
On 4/20/06, Don Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well said Ted! I'll add that while my attentions have lately been mostly
> towards getting WebWork 2 of the incubator and starting Struts Action 2, I
> certainly am not abandoning Struts Action 1. While all the activity might
>
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > [...] you are basically not going to have a constructive discussion.
I believe I have just been physically wounded by irony.
Dave
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Well said Ted! I'll add that while my attentions have lately been mostly
towards getting WebWork 2 of the incubator and starting Struts Action 2, I
certainly am not abandoning Struts Action 1. While all the activity might
not be apparent on this list, we've been hard at work migrating to a new
Ma
On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Second, all the comitters have answered your questions very nicely
Yes, we have. Here's a handy summary for future reference:
The Apache Struts project continues to move that the same pace we
always have. We generally run 18 months to 24
Alexandre Poitras wrote:
On 4/19/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
>
Maybe a big big big EGO :)
Sure, I have an ego that's bigger than the Grand Canyon. I also have a
mole on my left buttock.
But what does this have to do with anything though?
Again, d
Niall Pemberton wrote:
On 4/18/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would venture to guess, just as an outside observer, that if the
author of Strecks is not given commit access to Struts itself, then he
may run into limitations in the Struts codebase and end up making
modification
Niall Pemberton wrote:
On 4/18/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would venture to guess, just as an outside observer, that if the
author of Strecks is not given commit access to Struts itself, then he
may run into limitations in the Struts codebase and end up making
modific
Thanks Niall,
It only took a week but you've just said is the answer I was hoping to hear.
This sounds really positive. I agree with Phil and others that Strecks
should be an extension to struts. But, I take heart in hearing you and Ted
supporting it's existence and actively encouraging Phil to su
The use of Java 5 is clearly because he is not interested in trying to deal
with the committers. I think he has made that clear in a nice way.
On 4/19/06, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 4/18/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would venture to guess, just as a
You are just wrong about this, Alexandre. Check out the archives before you
embarrass yourself. However, as usual this is a non-starter. This
discussion is as important as answer the other questions. You just don't
understand how things work.
On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
This is a very, very strange attitude, Alexandre. I don't think there is
bugging going on. I really enjoy Jonathan's posts. If you don't, just
don't read them for crying out loud. Don't be so damned controlling about
things you don't like.
On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Let's hope not. I did not mean how easy it would have been on this list, or
on Struts. I meant how easy it was, period.
On 4/19/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dakota Jack wrote:
> > Good work, by the way, Phil. Lord, how easy the developers on Struts
> could
> > have done s
On 4/18/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would venture to guess, just as an outside observer, that if the
> author of Strecks is not given commit access to Struts itself, then he
> may run into limitations in the Struts codebase and end up making
> modifications to support things
On 4/19/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alexandre Poitras wrote:
> > On 4/19/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Dave Newton wrote:
> >>
> >>>Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> [...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Fr
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Dave Newton wrote:
If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
Well, that's one assessment. OTOH, it is problematic to think that if
somebody disagrees wit
Alexandre Poitras wrote:
On 4/19/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
[...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
refactoring the existing Struts 1.x code
On 4/19/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > Dave Newton wrote:
> >> If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
> >> overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
> >
> > Well, that's one assessment. OTOH, it is pro
On 4/19/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Newton wrote:
> > Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> >
> >>[...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
> >
> >
> > From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
> > refactoring the existing Struts 1.x codebase...
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> Dave Newton wrote:
>> If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
>> overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
>
> Well, that's one assessment. OTOH, it is problematic to think that if
> somebody disagrees with you on this
On 4/19/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One thing which would help greatly would be one or two
> links from the Struts sites so that Struts 1.x users who haven't read
> the TSS article or these posts would still have a way of finding out
> about it
Done.
Of course, we've also carried t
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Well, there [are] all these issues, and yeah, I guess they could make
you and other people shudder.
If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
overall programming knowledge... at some point you h
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Well, there [are] all these issues, and yeah, I guess they could make
you and other people shudder.
If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
Well, tha
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> Well, there [are] all these issues, and yeah, I guess they could make
> you and other people shudder.
If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their
overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start over.
> But the real key point I am w
Dave Newton wrote:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
[...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
refactoring the existing Struts 1.x codebase...
As an example, I've always been pissy about the Action being tightly
coupled
Dakota Jack wrote:
Good work, by the way, Phil. Lord, how easy the developers on Struts could
have done something similar.
Well, IMO the real underlying issue goes further than that. It's not a
question of the fact that the Struts developers could have done
"something similar" themselves.
Please see my comments below:
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
Ted Husted wrote:
On 4/18/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd be happy to pass Strecks on to Struts itself if the community
really
wanted it, but I don't see that as essential to its existence in any
way.
What we look for i
--- Vinny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like how xdoclet should die? Heh, I'm still using
> xdoclet 1.x
> (will never go to xdoclet2 ) until an @Annotations
> based replacement
> shows itself
It's nice to hear that you value my work at XD1 and
are happy with it. There is nothing wrong with
exis
Do you know the difference between marketing and advertising? Of course
Struts has a marketing capacity. That is a no brainer and Craig has been on
that horse for years.
On 4/18/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Well, except that the "new thing" is not new. It's just Webwork, whi
Good work, by the way, Phil. Lord, how easy the developers on Struts could
have done something similar. Thanks for at least showing them the way.
On 4/18/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Please allow me to shed a bit more light on a couple of your
> observations/speculations.
>
> Reg
If you said "business use cases" I could have gone along with at least part
of what you had to say. As it is, nothing.
On 4/18/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Call me silly, but I use my brain to figure out what to use.
>
> I think Struts-devs said they are writing something new, once t
Like how xdoclet should die? Heh, I'm still using xdoclet 1.x
(will never go to xdoclet2 ) until an @Annotations based replacement
shows itself
>
> Struts 1.x shall be allowed to die and rest in peace.
>
> regards,
>
> [ Konstantin Pribluda http://www.pribluda.de ]
> Still usin
On 4/18/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> > [...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
>
> From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
> refactoring the existing Struts 1.x codebase...
>
> As an example, I've always been pissy
Jonathan Revusky wrote:
> [...] rather than trying to modernize/refactor it forward
>From a developer's standpoint I'm not even sure how I'd go about
refactoring the existing Struts 1.x codebase...
As an example, I've always been pissy about the Action being tightly
coupled to the servlet spec.,
netsql wrote:
Well, except that the "new thing" is not new. It's just Webwork, which
is a competing framework, that has been around for years.
"Struts Action 2" is just a relabeling of Webwork. Some package names
and so on change, but it's just webwork.
Clearly you have no idea what yo
Ted Husted wrote:
On 4/18/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd be happy to pass Strecks on to Struts itself if the community really
wanted it, but I don't see that as essential to its existence in any way.
What we look for is a community forming around the codebase. We don't
just wan
> Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.
> (Struts now has a marketing capability? ha ha)
You are sureley permanently employed, aren't you?
There is no "struts marketing organisation" but
nevertheless struts has a good visibility and is asked
as a skill / tool to start new project
Well, except that the "new thing" is not new. It's just Webwork, which
is a competing framework, that has been around for years.
"Struts Action 2" is just a relabeling of Webwork. Some package names
and so on change, but it's just webwork.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking a
netsql wrote:
Call me silly, but I use my brain to figure out what to use.
I think Struts-devs said they are writing something new, once the new
thing is established...
Well, except that the "new thing" is not new. It's just Webwork, which
is a competing framework, that has been around for
On 4/18/06, Phil Zoio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd be happy to pass Strecks on to Struts itself if the community really
> wanted it, but I don't see that as essential to its existence in any way.
What we look for is a community forming around the codebase. We don't
just want code, we want peop
On 4/18/06, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think Struts-devs said they are writing something new, once the new
> thing is established...
Yes, the plan is for there to be two phases. In the first phase, we
join forces with the WebWork developers and adopt the WebWork codebase
for Struts Acti
Please allow me to shed a bit more light on a couple of your
observations/speculations.
Regards,
Phil Zoio (Developer of Strecks)
My sense of things is that Strecks is another person's third-party
effort. It is not part of the Struts project. Any new development you
can expect from the Struts
Call me silly, but I use my brain to figure out what to use.
I think Struts-devs said they are writing something new, once the new
thing is established... then someone can say that in relation to the new
release, 1.3.1 is an older release, and that's all.
It's good to separate MVC, mostly peo
--- Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I would hardly call that "hardly anything
> substantive". A large amount
> of boring grunt work would be a better description -
> including the
> difficulty of having all the code on the target
> projects checked in for
> refactoring, making sure n
Jonathan Revusky on 18/04/06 09:29, wrote:
Well, the fact is that Action2 is just Webwork. What you see on the dev
list is just a lot of discussion of renaming packages and classes and
taglib prefixes, but hardly anything substantive.
And Webwork is hardly something you need to wait for, it ca
Zoran Avtarovski wrote:
I thought it looks pretty good, I think projects like this have their place.
Especially, in light of the fact that we're not going to see Action2 for a
little while (even then there'll be some tweaking to get it right)
Well, the fact is that Action2 is just Webwork. Wha
I thought it looks pretty good, I think projects like this have their place.
Especially, in light of the fact that we're not going to see Action2 for a
little while (even then there'll be some tweaking to get it right) and there
are a lot of Struts apps out there that want to take advantage of Java
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=39840
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