Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-11-02 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2014-11-01 at 09:14 -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Ah! But you have poorly-written buggy software to buy for every little feature you could like and additional software to buy to iron out the wrinkles in there and additional software to buyt iron out the wrinkles in there and additional

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-11-01 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 16:20:18 +1030 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2014-10-31 at 12:52 -0400, Tom H wrote: The “learning curve” is an exaggerated meme based on my SMALL sample. I’ve migrated my parents from Windows to Gnome 2 to Unity and my neighbor from Windows to Unity

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-11-01 Thread Bill Davidsen
Ed Greshko wrote: On 10/28/14 11:37, jd1008 wrote: Oooops! I do not have your public key :) :) So, it all looks like greek to me Sent in error from my tablet courtesy of Mei-Mei.a cat. I have sent many things like that, and cats regularly contribute to my chat activities. -- Bill

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-11-01 Thread Bill Davidsen
jd1008 wrote: On 10/28/2014 12:16 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 10/28/2014 07:04 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: When I learned what Gnome 3 was going to be like, I started looking for a different DE and ended up with Xfce. One of

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-11-01 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/28/2014 05:25 PM, jd1008 wrote: As my time is not infinite :) I decided to install pclinuxos with kde DE and bfs-PAE kernel. Yes, I will be spending some time, maybe 8 or 16 hours bringing this lady up to speed on basic things. I will certainly automate the updates, so she

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-31 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Bill Oliver ven...@billoblog.com wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Tom H wrote: You seem to be asking for the impossible. Whether you install Fedora, Ubuntu, OS X, or Windows, there are going to be regular updates. Why don't you install Fedora and put up with

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-31 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:26 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 11:44 -0400, Tom H wrote: Why don't you install Fedora and put up with having to use an external repo for non-free stuff (if necessary) and upgrading every 6 months or so? For some people, or lots

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-31 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Judging from the hits that you get when you search for a problem, Ubuntu. Although you do get many Arch hits, which is unsurprising given how good its documentation is. Could you image a Fedora Wiki as good as the Arch Wiki?

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-31 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2014-10-31 at 12:52 -0400, Tom H wrote: The “learning curve” is an exaggerated meme based on my SMALL sample. I’ve migrated my parents from Windows to Gnome 2 to Unity and my neighbor from Windows to Unity without them having a problem finding their bearings. I've always thought that

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-31 Thread Tim
Tim: For some people, or lots of people, upgrading every 6 months is a headache best avoided. Quite apart from having to backup and restore, or backup and hope you don't have to restore, personal files and important settings, you have to deal with a changed user interface. It nearly always

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-29 Thread jd1008
On 10/28/2014 07:47 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/28/2014 08:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/28/2014 05:25 PM, jd1008 wrote: As my time is not infinite :) I decided to install pclinuxos with kde DE and bfs-PAE kernel. Yes, I will be spending some time, maybe 8 or 16 hours bringing this lady up to speed

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-29 Thread jd1008
On 10/28/2014 07:47 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/28/2014 08:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/28/2014 05:25 PM, jd1008 wrote: As my time is not infinite :) I decided to install pclinuxos with kde DE and bfs-PAE kernel. Yes, I will be spending some time, maybe 8 or 16 hours bringing this lady up to speed

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-29 Thread Chris
On 10/28/2014 07:04 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: +1 for Xfce second that :-) -- Gruß, Christian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-29 Thread Doug
On 10/30/2014 12:17 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/28/2014 07:47 PM, Doug wrote: /snip/ When you develop an automatic update routine for PCLOS, it would be good if you would post it, preferably on the PCLinuxOS Forum, or if not, then here, and with your permission, I will pass it on to the Forum.

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Digvijay Patankar
On Oct 23, 2014 6:42 AM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable. So, since she is not technically savvy, I

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 11:44 -0400, Tom H wrote: Why don't you install Fedora and put up with having to use an external repo for non-free stuff (if necessary) and upgrading every 6 months or so? For some people, or lots of people, upgrading every 6 months is a headache best avoided. Quite

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 05:16 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Windows also only tries update itself, but doesn't take care about updating packages from other sources. In most cases, users will have to resort to using package proprietary updaters which may or may not work, but always will require

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 12:06 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Sent in error from my tablet courtesy of Mei-Mei.a cat. Better check it hasn't sneakily ordered tons of cat food to be delivered... ;-) -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Roger
On 28/10/14 17:33, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2014-10-28 at 12:06 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Sent in error from my tablet courtesy of Mei-Mei.a cat. Better check it hasn't sneakily ordered tons of cat food to be delivered... ;-) Get a big hairy dog to sit on your lap, cat thingy will never happen

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/28/2014 07:26 AM, Tim wrote: If a new user is going to ask a support question of someone, or their ISP, which Linux distro do you think they're most likely to get an answer about? That one you are best familiar with? I mean, if you installed the OS/distro for a user, this user's first

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Roger
On 28/10/14 18:54, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/28/2014 07:26 AM, Tim wrote: If a new user is going to ask a support question of someone, or their ISP, which Linux distro do you think they're most likely to get an answer about? That one you are best familiar with? I mean, if you installed the

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 10/23/2014 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? With Centos7, we are finally at a stable, long-term usable OS of our own. Given that it is built on F19, it has support for lots of

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Bill Oliver
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 11:44 -0400, Tom H wrote: Why don't you install Fedora and put up with having to use an external repo for non-free stuff (if necessary) and upgrading every 6 months or so? For some people, or lots of people, upgrading every 6 months is a

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread jd1008
On 10/28/2014 05:26 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 10/23/2014 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? With Centos7, we are finally at a stable, long-term usable OS of our own. Given

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Steven Rosenberg
CentOS 7 uses a 3.10 kernel, and my 1.5-year-old AMD laptop is not terribly happy with it, especially compared with 3.16 in Fedora. If I'm going to muck around and always follow the latest kernel, I might as well stick with distros that offer 3.16+ out of the box. -- Steven Rosenberg

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Marcus Karlsson
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:12:19AM -0700, Steven Rosenberg wrote: CentOS 7 uses a 3.10 kernel, and my 1.5-year-old AMD laptop is not terribly happy with it, especially compared with 3.16 in Fedora. If I'm going to muck around and always follow the latest kernel, I might as well stick with

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/28/2014 04:26 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I personally am looking very hard at xfce instead of gnome. When I learned what Gnome 3 was going to be like, I started looking for a different DE and ended up with Xfce. One of the minor things I like about it is that you can configure it so

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Marcus Karlsson m...@acc.umu.se wrote: New kernel features and driver updates are backported in each minor release. That the kernel identifies itself as 3.10 is essentially just to mark where Red Hat forked it. Don't be surprised if 7.1 or 7.2 works much

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: When I learned what Gnome 3 was going to be like, I started looking for a different DE and ended up with Xfce. One of the minor things I like about it is that you can configure it so that a right-click anywhere on the desktop

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 10/28/2014 07:04 PM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: When I learned what Gnome 3 was going to be like, I started looking for a different DE and ended up with Xfce. One of the minor things I like about it is that you can configure it so

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/28/2014 11:16 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: So I am more using Xfce and might even do my F21 beta on a notebook with it as well. Skip gnome all together on the next upgrade. Make sure that you're using lightdm instead of gdm, because the latter pulls in some odd dependencies, or at least

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 12:04 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: So, between xfce and lxde, which one consumes less ram? Offhand I'd say LXDE is lighter than Xfce. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog http://blogs.dailynews.com/click -- users mailing list

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Roger
On 28/10/14 22:26, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 10/23/2014 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? With Centos7, we are finally at a stable, long-term usable OS of our own. Given that it

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread jd1008
On 10/28/2014 06:09 PM, Roger wrote: On 28/10/14 22:26, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 10/23/2014 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? With Centos7, we are finally at a stable,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:25:06 -0600 jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/28/2014 06:09 PM, Roger wrote: On 28/10/14 22:26, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 10/23/2014 03:19 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/28/2014 05:25 PM, jd1008 wrote: As my time is not infinite :) I decided to install pclinuxos with kde DE and bfs-PAE kernel. Yes, I will be spending some time, maybe 8 or 16 hours bringing this lady up to speed on basic things. I will certainly automate the updates, so she will not have to

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread Doug
On 10/28/2014 08:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/28/2014 05:25 PM, jd1008 wrote: As my time is not infinite :) I decided to install pclinuxos with kde DE and bfs-PAE kernel. Yes, I will be spending some time, maybe 8 or 16 hours bringing this lady up to speed on basic things. I will certainly

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-28 Thread jd1008
On 10/28/2014 07:47 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/28/2014 08:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/28/2014 05:25 PM, jd1008 wrote: As my time is not infinite :) I decided to install pclinuxos with kde DE and bfs-PAE kernel. Yes, I will be spending some time, maybe 8 or 16 hours bringing this lady up to speed

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:46 AM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect. If they can't do it themselves, it's

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:24 PM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:46 AM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect.

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Steven Rosenberg
Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap, but a graphical version of Fedup would go a long way toward making many users more

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread jd1008
On 10/27/2014 11:17 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap, but a graphical version of Fedup would

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread poma
On 28.10.2014 03:41, jd1008 wrote: On 10/27/2014 11:17 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Doug
On 10/27/2014 10:41 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/27/2014 11:17 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: Fedup has been working very well for me over the F18-20 period, and that relative easy of use has kept me running Fedora for the past year and a half. I don't know if this is something on the Fedora roadmap,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
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Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread jd1008
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Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Monday, October 27, 2014 08:41:03 PM jd1008 wrote: The lady I am trying to help does not even want to have to do any updates. She wants it all so atutomatic, that once I configure her network, and her desktop icons, she wants the installation to maintain itself. Ubuntu is your best choice.

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/28/14 11:37, jd1008 wrote: Oooops! I do not have your public key :) :) So, it all looks like greek to me Sent in error from my tablet courtesy of Mei-Mei.a cat. -- If you can't laugh at yourself, others will gladly oblige. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread jd1008
On 10/27/2014 09:46 PM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Monday, October 27, 2014 08:41:03 PM jd1008 wrote: The lady I am trying to help does not even want to have to do any updates. She wants it all so atutomatic, that once I configure her network, and her desktop icons, she wants the installation to

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/28/2014 03:41 AM, jd1008 wrote: The lady I am trying to help does not even want to have to do any updates. She wants it all so atutomatic, that once I configure her network, and her desktop icons, she wants the installation to maintain itself. In a lot of ways, windoze does this for their

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:07:08 PM jd1008 wrote: Thank you Sudhir. I will be first installing PCLinuxOS, with bfs-PAE kernel (kde desktop) and let her play with that for a while. If she feels it is easy to step up to from Windows, then that's what she will get on her desktop. If not,

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-27 Thread Doug
On 10/28/2014 01:13 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On Monday, October 27, 2014 10:07:08 PM jd1008 wrote: Thank you Sudhir. I will be first installing PCLinuxOS, with bfs-PAE kernel (kde desktop) and let her play with that for a while. If she feels it is easy to step up to from Windows, then that's

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 October 2014 22:40, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:40 PM, Fred Smith wrote: but there are (some) 686 libs for those common 32-bit apps that need 'em. Look at yum list available | less then search for [356]86. There is a barebones set of 32-bit binary

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-24 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/24/14 17:02, Ian Malone wrote: On 23 October 2014 22:40, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:40 PM, Fred Smith wrote: but there are (some) 686 libs for those common 32-bit apps that need 'em. Look at yum list available | less then search for [356]86. There is a

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-24 Thread poma
On 24.10.2014 05:52, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 23 October 2014, jd1008 sent: Libreoffice can create PDF? Yes, it can. And you can install a PDF printer, if it isn't already installed, so that *any* application can print a PDF. However... You get very little control over how

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-24 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 10:13 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 10/24/14 11:58, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 09:11 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote: on 10/23/2014 03:10 PM, jd1008 wrote: With 8 gig of RAM, the 32 bit version will only make use of the first 4GB. So, I am still debating whether to install the 32 bit or

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread ny6p01
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 09:39:17PM -0400, Doug wrote: On 10/22/2014 09:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable.

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect. If they can't do it themselves, it's going to be you. Which distro can you put up with? Either working it for yourself, or finding a

RE: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread J.Witvliet
Instead of replying with one's own favourite distro, The answer should be (as to be expected), that depends on a) Which distro has all the software that she needs? there might be distro's that are very user friendly install/maintenance, but if essential software is missing and has to be

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:11 AM, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable. So, since she is not technically

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 October 2014 02:11, jd1008 jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable. So, since she is not technically savvy, I

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:53:42 +0300 Gilboa Davara wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Or if you find the horror that is the Ubuntu Unity interface too much to bear, Linux Mint is essentially Ubuntu with a different UI plugged in

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. CentOS will most likely out-live Windows 7 and maintains a very strict update policy (you'll have to work hard to break it) and

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 10/23/2014 11:30 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: I'm also thinking about CentOS in this use case. It's still a bit early for CentOS 7 in terms of both stability and extra repos, but if/when I use CentOS in this manner, I will be using the El Repo and the Nux Dextop repos

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: The only problem you'll have with CentOS (or RHEL) 7 will be the lack of a 32-bit environment. If you need to run any Win32 or proprietary 32-bit apps (Skype) you're SOL. There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Doug
On 10/23/2014 08:25 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:53:42 +0300 Gilboa Davara wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Or if you find the horror that is the Ubuntu Unity interface too much to bear, Linux Mint is

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 10/23/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo: http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.2.0.13-1.R.i586.rpm andhttp://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.3.0.37-2.R.i586.rpm They provide the 32-bit

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Phil Edwards
Just to add my tuppence worth. If it's purely viruses that are the problem then, as mentioned in another post, you can't beat a little education on browsing habits, combined with a damn good AV package. If there are other reasons for switching (e.g. that Windoze quickly gets bloated and

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:35:58PM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo: http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.2.0.13-1.R.i586.rpm

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:35:58 -0500 Michael Cronenworth wrote: There is no 32-bit environment. This is a feature of RHEL 7. https://access.redhat.com/solutions/509373 Do you need additional proof? That article explicitly says they will continue to support 32 bit libraries, they just aren't

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 12:33 AM, ny6...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 09:39:17PM -0400, Doug wrote: On 10/22/2014 09:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 12:46 AM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2014-10-22 at 19:11 -0600, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Along with other suggestions, consider the support aspect. If they can't do it themselves, it's going to be you. Which distro can you put up with? Either

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 10:30 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. CentOS will most likely out-live Windows 7 and maintains a very strict update

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 11:08 AM, Doug wrote: On 10/23/2014 08:25 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:53:42 +0300 Gilboa Davara wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Or if you find the horror that is the Ubuntu Unity interface

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 11:35 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo: http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.2.0.13-1.R.i586.rpm

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, jd1008 wrote: The primary apps she will need on a linux installation are a high quality (and full functionality) of a pdf reader/creator. There are several .pdf readers that come with most Linux distros. I'm almost certain that LibreOffice can create them, but if

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Doug
On 10/23/2014 02:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:35 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo: http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.2.0.13-1.R.i586.rpm

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 12:47 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/23/2014 02:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:35 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo:

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 12:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, jd1008 wrote: The primary apps she will need on a linux installation are a high quality (and full functionality) of a pdf reader/creator. There are several .pdf readers that come with most Linux distros. I'm almost certain

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/23/2014 12:13 PM, jd1008 wrote: Libreoffice can create PDF? Rightly or wrongly, I have been under the impression that the pdf format was copyright'ed by Adobe??? As you can see here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format it's an open format. -- users mailing list

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 01:13:09PM -0600, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 12:46 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:37 AM, jd1008 wrote: The primary apps she will need on a linux installation are a high quality (and full functionality) of a pdf reader/creator. There are several .pdf

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:32:43 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: As you can see here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format it's an open format. Which is a good thing because most 3rd party viewers render pdf files faster and more accurately than the official acrobat reader software from

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Pete Travis
On 10/23/2014 12:37 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:35 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: On 10/23/2014 11:55 AM, Steven Rosenberg wrote: There are i586 Skype packages for CentOS 7 in the Nux repo: http://li.nux.ro/download/nux/dextop/el7/x86_64/skype-4.2.0.13-1.R.i586.rpm

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/23/2014 12:57 PM, Pete Travis wrote: At first, there were a lot of How do I do this thing I don't already know how to do questions. I had to set up the machine with flash and rpmfusion codecs for her. With that out of the way, 'support requests' are rare; it just works. My older

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:35:58 -0500 Michael Cronenworth wrote: There is no 32-bit environment. This is a feature of RHEL 7. https://access.redhat.com/solutions/509373 Do you need additional proof? That article explicitly says they will continue to support 32 bit

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:53:42 +0300 Gilboa Davara wrote: I'd personally go with CentOS 7.0 (if all the required software is there) or Ubuntu 14.04 LTS. Or if you find the horror that is the Ubuntu Unity interface too much to bear, Linux Mint is essentially Ubuntu with a

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 10/23/2014 12:40 PM, Fred Smith wrote: but there are (some) 686 libs for those common 32-bit apps that need 'em. Look at yum list available | less then search for [356]86. There is a barebones set of 32-bit binary libraries. No development packages. Calling this an environment is dubious.

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Kevin Cummings
on 10/23/2014 03:10 PM, jd1008 wrote: With 8 gig of RAM, the 32 bit version will only make use of the first 4GB. So, I am still debating whether to install the 32 bit or the 64 bit. Unless you are running a 32-bit PAE kernel which can address more than 4GB of RAM -- Kevin J. Cummings

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Tim
Joe Zeff: As you can see here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format it's an open format. Tom Horsley: Which is a good thing because most 3rd party viewers render pdf files faster and more accurately than the official acrobat reader software from adobe :-). Nor as they

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 23 October 2014, jd1008 sent: Libreoffice can create PDF? Yes, it can. And you can install a PDF printer, if it isn't already installed, so that *any* application can print a PDF. However... You get very little control over how they're created, so your quest for a fully

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread jd1008
On 10/23/2014 09:11 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote: on 10/23/2014 03:10 PM, jd1008 wrote: With 8 gig of RAM, the 32 bit version will only make use of the first 4GB. So, I am still debating whether to install the 32 bit or the 64 bit. Unless you are running a 32-bit PAE kernel which can address

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/24/14 11:58, jd1008 wrote: On 10/23/2014 09:11 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote: on 10/23/2014 03:10 PM, jd1008 wrote: With 8 gig of RAM, the 32 bit version will only make use of the first 4GB. So, I am still debating whether to install the 32 bit or the 64 bit. Unless you are running a

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-22 Thread jd1008
On 10/22/2014 07:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 10/22/2014 06:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? I do not know as I have only installed it once for someone but have no idea about it's maintenance requirements. -- users mailing list

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-22 Thread Doug
On 10/22/2014 09:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable. So, since she is not technically savvy, I was thinking of

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-22 Thread jd1008
On 10/22/2014 07:39 PM, Doug wrote: On 10/22/2014 09:11 PM, jd1008 wrote: Have a friend who wants to try getting away from windows, which, in spite of all the AV software the vendor had installed on her windows 7, it was plagued by viruses that rendered it unusable. So, since she is not

Re: A Linux for the totally maintenance free

2014-10-22 Thread Roger
Any ideas what linux to use for such a person? Isn't that what Ubuntu is for? I do not know as I have only installed it once for someone but have no idea about it's maintenance requirements. I recomend Ubuntu 14.04 it is very easy and has a 7 year life span. It's a one stop install from