I have asked this a week ago, this is what has been replied by the developers:
"It's a warning that should be silenced - it should still work."
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I see, thank you.
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Mai 2016 12:33
An: users@sogo.nu
Betreff: Re: [SOGo] error in sogo-tool expire-autoreply -p /etc/sogo/sieve.cred
On 2016-05-19 06:18, "Andreas
lass 'SOGo' in product
<0x0x10e1710[SoProduct]: loaded code-loaded
bundle=/usr/lib64/GNUstep/SOGo/MainUI.SOGo #classes=8 #categories=4
rm=0x0x10e5ea0>!
please advise
best regards
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Betreff: Re: [SOGo] Sogo 2.X lifetime
On 2016-04-20 06:31, "Andreas Blaha&q
Hello,
I would be interested in an answer on the below too.
If v3 is only a change in the look&feel of the WebUI then the assumption is
that the core behind it is the same for both v2 and v3 thus bugs not related to
the UI that are fixed for v3 should also be fixed vor v2 and vice versa, is
thi
ven't written this too confusing.
With the new ZEG it´s also not working, but with the Zentyal Server
everything is ok.
I guess this is a bug in newer versions.
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Hi @ all,
Is it possible to view in the Contacts a photo from LDAP?
If yes what attributes i need for the mapping?
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Hi,
The Birthdayfield in the Sogoweb is dd-mm- but it is displayed wrong. The
output is for example %e.07.1989 but in TB it is displayed correctly is this a
bug?
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Hey i have the same or simular issue.
since two days i am using V 3.0.2
i run this system in a virtualbox so i cloned it bevor upgrading.
in the "old" webmail i see all attachments
in the "new" webmail i only see normal attachments but i didn´t see mails that
was sent as attatchments
in outl
with Firefox 44.0.2 on Ubuntu. Chrome works well.
I'm runnig SOGo 2.3.8
What happens, when your user enters the manuall after the login?
Andreas
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Hi all,
testing v3, I might have missed that part, maybe this has been reported
already: I can create additional IMAP accounts, they work as intended, but if I
want to amend or delete them they are gone from the list of accounts. Any ideas?
many thanks in advance
Andy
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Am Donnerstag, 21. Januar 2016 21:29 CET, schrieb:
> Hi Andreas!
>
> Set SOGoEASDebugEnabled = YES in sogo.conf and check for files in /tmp when
> the parsing erros is reported in sogo.log
>
> Regards,
> Thomas
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Anyone got the same symptoms? Subfolders mainly work (as far as I can see .)
Please help!
This is what I see in sogo.log:
2016-01-21 20:36:44.999 sogod[1032] PG0x0x7f82618a6d68 SQL: SELECT * FROM
sogo_cache_folder_ablaha WHERE c_path = '/android1426226542656'
2016-01-21 20:36:44
I know it might be a strange thing nowadays to run any server using i386
builds, but nevertheless we do so for legacy reasons - Now I cannot
update sogo 2 from the debian/jessie repos anymore:
Due to this error:
W: Failed to fetch http://inverse.ca/debian/dists/jessie/InRelease
Unable to find e
nges because synchronization is very erratic in
ActiveSync environment, regardless if Outlook (2013, 2016), iPhone or
Android devices.
Many thanks for any advice
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back-end but I haven’t found an option
which allows me to disable the lookup.
Is there an option or a combination of options available to archive this
behaviour?
Best regards
Andreas
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anyone?
what I found out meanwhile is that if I create an additional calendar, that one
works but the initial one still does not. I realise there is a sogo-tool but I
cannot find any documentation on it and rather not wanting to try and fail
using it.
many thanks in advance
Andreas Blaha
other ActiveSync devices
any help highly appreciated!
kind regards
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Hi Daniel
Am 06.08.2015 um 00:39 schrieb Daniel Bareiro:
> On 05/08/15 17:05, Andreas Hainke wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel
> Hi, Andreas.
>
>> Have a look at /etc/default/sogo, PREFORK=xyz overrides the setting of
>> WOWorkersCount. But this setting is only relevant if sog
Hi Daniel
Am 05.08.2015 um 13:24 schrieb Daniel Bareiro:
> On 05/08/15 02:53, Andreas Hainke wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel
> Hi, Andreas.
>
>> I only uncommented the line "ProxyPass /Microsoft-Server-ActiveSync
>> http://127.0.0.1:2/SOGo/Microsoft-Server-ActiveS
.
That are all changes I did, as far as I remember.
The SOGo documentation also mentions to install libwbxml for ActiveSync.
Regards
Andreas
Am 05.08.2015 um 00:26 schrieb Daniel Bareiro:
> On 04/08/15 18:49, Daniel Bareiro wrote:
>
>> But still I keep getting a message that Outloo
shots attached.
Regards
Andreas
Am 04.08.2015 um 23:32 schrieb Alain Abbas:
> Hello
> Interesting
> did you try to share a calendar ?
> Regards
>
>
> Le Mardi 4 Août 2015 22:34 CEST, Andreas Hainke
> a écrit:
>
>> Hi Daniel
>>
>> I tested today wit
.
Regards,
Andreas
Am 04.08.2015 um 19:17 schrieb Daniel Bareiro:
> Hi all.
>
> Is SOGo 2.3.1-1 compatible with Outlook 2013? I tried to add an account
> type "compatible with Outlook.com or Exchange ActiveSync" to synchronize
> address book and calendar. But Outlook try to fin
t; going to be installed
> Recommends: samba-vfs-modules but it is not going to be installed
> samba-dev : Depends: samba-libs (= 2:4.1.18+dfsg-3~inverse1) but it is
> not going to be installed
>
>
> Can you please give me a hint how to solve these problems?
>
> Thx a lot,
> Markus
>
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Hello Christian,
migration to 2.3.0 worked without a problem.
Thank you for your kind help.
Regards
Andreas
Am 16. Juli 2015 13:26:20 schrieb Christian Mack
:
Hello Andreas Oster
Am 16.07.2015 um 09:39 schrieb Andreas Oster:
>
> I am currently stuck with a 2.2.7 SOGo instal
Hello Christian,
thank you for your response.
I have a single domain setup and am using a LDAP backend for user
authentication.
If I understand correct I will have to first install version 2.2.7 in
order to be able to
restore the data.
Thanks
best regards
Andreas
Am 16.07.2015 um 13:26
steps needed to move the data to the new server
? Do I have to install version 2.2.7 on the new server or is it possible
to restore the backup from the old server (2.2.7) to SOGo v2.3.0 ?
Thank you very much for your kind help.
regards
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;t show up anymore in my remote addressbook in Thunderbird.
Are these additional fields not known/synchronised by the SOGo connector
or is this problem related to using Owncloud? If it's an Owncloud
issues, does SOGo server properly handle these extensions?
BR,
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I use it with Windows Phone 8. Works like a charm.
I followed this tutorial:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2478215. Not sure whether
there is an easier way, but it did the trick and it works really nicely.
Hope that helps
Andreas
On Thursday, January 23, 2014 22:48 PST
Hi,
is there an integration with openid?
Thanks for any pointers
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The invited contacts are from the global address list, they are available and
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red packages to
update the free/busy in the background?
I'm using the 2.1.1 version of sogo.
Thanks in advance, Andreas
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ng into this tooo lang already
Cheers
Andreas
Lines for this request from sogo.log:
==
2013-04-03 18:20:09.184 sogod[8507] Note: Using UTF-8 as URL encoding in
NGExtensions.
Apr 03 18:20:09 sogod [8507]: <0x0xb8a0aa40[SOGoCache]> Cache cl
ng into this tooo lang already
Cheers
Andreas
Lines for this request from sogo.log:
==
2013-04-03 18:20:09.184 sogod[8507] Note: Using UTF-8 as URL encoding in
NGExtensions.
Apr 03 18:20:09 sogod [8507]: <0x0xb8a0aa40[SOGoCache]> Cache cl
I've installed sogo 2.0.4.b-1 on debian (squeeze 6.0.7) and used it as mail webfrontend only - no fancy stuff like LDAP, MAPI, sync, zpush funambol or the like are used - just postfix /dovecot (1.2.15), memcached and sogo WebUI via apacheAll used to work well - but suddenly (might have been an up
How about sogo.log ??
Am Mi. 08. August 2012 18:22 CEST, schrieb:
Fresh install.
sogod runs, but hangs.
no listener on port 2 per netstat -a
must kill -9 to stop sogod
sogo.log has only a few lines about version, vmem size check and
modules loaded. Adding the obvious debug settin
ur target server or you'll loose them or seemingly can't sync the
objects ...
This howto intended for scalix might give you an idea:
http://www.scalix.com/wiki/index.php?title=HowTos/Advanced_imapsync
Cheers
Andreas
Am 08/07/12 04:37, schrieb Chris Mackle:
I'm running around trying to
12:38, schrieb Andreas Balg:
Hello everybody,
excuse me if I should have missed anything in the documentation - I am
having severe trouble since some time ago with the times displayed and
stored for events. They differ in the Web-UI and other Clients
(TB+Lightning+SOGO Integrator, EMCLient, An
SOGo's web-UI preferences.
What's wrong so far? Or is there still an unresolved bug I did not see?
Or is my setup wrong ??
Cheers Andreas
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ably won't be of too much help to
that many people ;-)
Cheers
Andreas
Am 25.07.2012 13:06, schrieb Dominique:
Hi
We run a Cyrus/Sieve Server with SOGo. However, the sieve integration
in SOGo is less than perfect (sorry). On one end, SOGo offers
Vacations and Forward options but on the
nd defined in the .GNUstepDefaults before and sogo restarted so it does not (yet) work entirely dynamic from the Database ...
I guess this is more or less what you might have been looking for..
Cheers Andreas
Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 08:24 CEST, specktator schrieb:
Hi guys, new here.
F
nd defined in the .GNUstepDefaults before and sogo restarted so it does not (yet) work entirely dynamic from the Database ...
I guess this is more or less what you might have been looking for..
Cheers Andreas
Am Dienstag, 10. Juli 2012 08:24 CEST, specktator schrieb:
Hi guys, new here.
F
Hi Christian,
thanks for your advise - this finally explains the behaviour to me ;-)
Regards,
-Andreas.
Am 2012-06-14 15:00, schrieb Christian Mack:
> Hello Andreas Schlager
>
>
> On 2012-06-14 12:03, Andreas Schlager wrote:
>> via the SOGo thunderbird CardDAV extension I
n Thursday, June 14, 2012 13:00 CEST, "Andreas Balg" wrote:
Oncew more trying to integrate SOGo with ISPConfig 3 managed accounts and mailboxes.
I've found various mails regarding the support of crypt-md5 password hashes in SQL databases
(as used by ISPConfig 3 for ma
2.0 ?
Did anybody figure out how to automate a synchronisation or configure sogo to use an SQL-View
directly with the database from ISPConfig 3 to authenticate users?
How may we authenticate users against that DB?
cheers
Andreas Balg
entries:
Maybe the web interface does not support address lists at the
moment? I can't find an option to create such lists via the web
frontend.
Kind regards,
-Andreas.
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licked it to correct the recipient
(userS@sogo.nu) and klicked send again - this resulted in this destroyed subject line
Anybody else has this effect?
Regards,
Andreas
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2012 12:48 CEST, "Andreas Balg" schrieb:
Hallo everybody,
How am I supposed to provide a
e adresses that are offered in the respective dropdown when I write a new mail?
Regards,
Andreas Balg
Cheers
Andreas
(Just no virtualMin but ViMbAdmin instead)
and it works without problems ...
Cheers
Andreas
Am Montag, 11. Juni 2012 07:32 CEST, schrieb:
Webmail is all empty. But you can send messages even when the interface is
still empty. The address book and calendar work well. I installed and
reinst
HTTP/1.1" 204 0/0 0.003 - - 0
Just the "fetched 0 records"
There probably might have been introduced a new bug ...
Regards,
Andreas Balg
I found out some more about the problem:
The MySQL table sogoX_quick suddenly is empty for this adressbook!
Is there any possibility to restore those contents from the table containing all the VCARD-Data without restoring a backup of the database?
Best regards,
Andreas Balg
Hi Ludovic,
many thanks for this hint - logon now works flawless!
-Andreas.
Am 2012-05-11 12:19, schrieb Ludovic Marcotte:
> On 11/05/12 03:59, Andreas Schlager wrote:
>>
>> bindFields
>> uid
>>
> You configuration is incorrect. bindFields is
playName
Shared Addresses
hostname
localhost
id
public
isAddressBook
YES
port
389
type
ldap
bindFields
uid
Regards,
-Andreas.
Am 2012-05-08 22:36, schrieb Ludovic Marcotte:
> Show yo
I've updated to latest nightly build and inserted the key "bindFields"
as described,
but unfortunately still the same result:
May 8 22:29:16 srv1 slapd[1699]: conn=1012 fd=21 ACCEPT from
IP=127.0.0.1:59681 (IP=0.0.0.0:389)
May 8 22:29:16 srv1 slapd[1699]: conn=1012 op=0 BIND
dn="uid=aschlager,ou
Thanks all for your answers.
At the moment I'm out of office - but will try this until next week.
-Andreas.
Am 2012-05-08 20:25, schrieb Ludovic Marcotte:
> On 05/05/12 21:33, Jean Raby wrote:
>> Alright, SOGo is not doing an indirect bind, it tries to bind
>> directly as
v1 slapd[3039]: conn=1004 op=1 UNBIND
May 05 21:01:01 sogod [3357]: SOGoRootPage Login for user 'aschlager'
might not have worked - password policy: 65535 grace: -1 expire: -1
bound: 0
localhost - - [05/May/2012:21:01:01 GMT] "POST /SOGo/connect HTTP/1.1"
403 34/43 0.013 - - 512K
Ma
Addresses
hostname
localhost
id
public
isAddressBook
YES
port
389
type
ldap
Any idea how to resolve this?
Regards,
-Andreas.
Am 2012-05-04 19:18, schrieb Andreas Schlager:
> Hi list,
>
> I'm
Hi skywalk3r,
sorry - I didn't mentioned it: I'm using OpenLDAP 2.4 which is running
on the same system together with sogo.
Am 2012-05-04 19:50, schrieb skywalk3r:
> Dne 5/4/2012 7:40 PM, skywalk3r napsal(a):
>> Dne 5/4/2012 7:18 PM, Andreas Schlager napsal(a):
>>>
pire: -1
bound: 0
May 4 19:15:42 srv1 slapd[4632]: conn=1014 op=1 UNBIND
May 4 19:15:42 srv1 slapd[4632]: conn=1014 fd=13 closed
Any help higlhly appreciated.
-Andreas.
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/html tpye for "PDF"
and restarted Firefox
Now everything works as expected ;
That was a real quick fix -- thanks Wolfgang
Cheers
Andreas
Am 13.04.2012 17:54, schrieb Wolfgang Sourdeau:
Le 12-04-13 11:48, Andreas Balg a écrit :
Seems as if you'd be right - If I send it us
about it should be
possible to save the file to disk and open it from there isn't it? But
even after saving the file to disk it does not open.
Is there any known config or setting in Firefox that might affect this
behaviour?
Cheers
Andreas
Am 13.04.2012 16:18, schrieb Wolfgang Sourde
taching it??
Cheers
Andreas
Am Freitag, 13. April 2012 16:18 CEST, Wolfgang Sourdeau
schrieb:
> Le 12-04-13 10:06, Wolfgang Sourdeau a écrit :
> > Something is wrong with your server, because the attachment is sent as
> > text/html while it should be application/pdf. Is there an entr
...@cs.cmu.edu)
0 string %PDF- application/pdf
There were no change
Am Freitag, 13. April 2012 16:06 CEST, Wolfgang Sourdeau
schrieb:
> Le 12-04-13 09:59, Andreas Balg a écrit :
> > Hello SOGo fellows,
> >
> > using the current nightly builds of SoGo 2
I hope anyone can help me out of this.
Many thanks in advance!
-Andreas.
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Am Dienstag, 06. März 2012 18:34 CET, Peter Schmidt schrie
Hi there,
is there any chance to define the addressbook or calendar (or even more than one) that I want to sync to the clients if using Funambol or is it unchangeable to have it sync only the "default" addressbooks and calendars?
Best regards,
Andreas Balg
Hi Mikel,
In the apache-config that you added there should be a line reading like e.g.
ProxyPass /SOGo http://127.0.0.1:2000/SOGo
If it looks like you have to try and go to http://yourserver/SOGo to get to the login
Regards,
Andreas Balg
Am Dienstag, 06. März 2012 10:16 CET, Mikel schrieb
Hello Simon,are you trying to use already existing tables and combine information from different tables so that SOGo can use them to authenticate users?Maybe CONTAC and VIEWs can help you to solve your probleme: http://www.tutorialspoint.com/mysql/mysql-concat-function.htm (Never used it, its just
SOHO Organizer offers advanced options for address book contacts. It is
supposed to work with CardDAV Accounts and has a option for it in the
preferences. However, I can't connect to SOGo. SOGo CardDAV works with iPhone
and Mac address book though.
The error message i get by SOHO Organizer sound
> Thanks for the quick answer.
>
> I am running Ubuntu (should have mentionned it earlier). The objects are in
> the 'right' place. Both point 1 and 2 were fixed by a second restart of the
> sogo engine after update.
>
> The Proxy problem remains though. I looked into the httpd.conf file and
> Well,
>
> I just found an entry in the mailing list solving point 1 and 2. Restarted
> sogo manually a second time, and that fixed it. I thought SOGo was restarted
> after the upgrade (though apt-get).
Yesterday I had the same problem, but I haven't noticed the output of apt which
said tha
Hej Tobias,
Restarting sogo worked for me, now I have the same items you mentioned.
Thank you.
Regards,
Andreas
Am 29.10.2011 um 00:34 schrieb Tobias Wallura:
> Hi,
>
> I just upgraded from 1.3.8b to 1.3.9, restarted the sogo service, and
> cannot reproduce your problem.
>
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Aarghhh!
I found the error: Yast played tricks on me!
Am 04.09.2011 00:00, schrieb Andreas Haumer:
> Hi!
>
> Today I tried to upgrade SOGo on an OpenSuse 11.3 64Bit Server.
> This server was running sogo-1.3.5a with a PostgreSQ
ersions/Current/SOGo (was ./Versions/Current/SOGo)
error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.u8pqhH (%install)
It seems te build process gets the GNUstep directories wrong. :-(
I'm currently running out of ideas of how to fix this mess, but
I need to get this running until m
can use the guest and admin accounts
> in the web interface of Funambol. But I can't authenticate with sogo users.
>
> Julian
Same problem here, can't login via webinterface. But with the test
utility of funambol (javademo from the server-package) authentification
is working.
Greets
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Milos Wimmer schrieb:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Andreas Haumer wrote:
>
>>>> Nov 21 12:35:01 sogo-ealarms-notify [18844]:
>>>> [ERROR]<0x0x8278560[SOGoEMailAlarmsManager]> alarm number mismatch
>>
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Thanks for your reply!
Am 22.11.2010 22:06, schrieb Clay Wright:
> On 11/21/2010 06:09 AM, Andreas Haumer wrote:
>
>> I'm testing SOGo for some time now and it works fine, but it seems
>> I can't get e
s the same problem (this bug should be fixed
in SOGo-1.3.4 anyway)
Any idea?
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On 18.11.2010 17:31, Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
>> We need a working solution, not the mess that the sogo lightning produces.
>
> That's rough!
>
> What problem have you experienced with it? Why didn't you report them in
> our BTS ?
Because it seems that things that are reported do not get fixed or
My 2¢:
On 18.11.2010 15:48, Wolfgang Sourdeau wrote:
> We do offer our "version" of Lightning because of this kind of bug, why
> don't you use it instead ?
Because it is even less usable then the nightlies of the regular Lightning
distribution.
We need a working solution, not the mess that the so
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Andreas Haumer schrieb:
> Hi!
>
> I'm running SOGo-1.3.1 successfully on a Linux server for
> some time now. Today I tried to upgrade to SOGO-1.3.2 and/or
> SOGo-1.3.3, but failed with the f
march=i586 -fno-strict-aliasing
-fgnu-runtime -fconstant-string-class=NSConstantString -I.. -I../..
-I../../SOPE -I../../SOPE/ -I. -I/home/andreas/GNUstep/Library/Headers
-I/usr/GNUstep/Local/Library/Headers -I/usr/GNUstep/System/Library/Headers \
-o obj/Appoin
On 08.09.2010 18:55, Mark Adams wrote:
> Inverse would be able to confirm what each part does exactly, but if you
> want the full package you need all 3. As far as I understand it though,
> connector does the address books and integrator does the cals (aswell as
> adding SOGo add/remove buttons in
On 08.09.2010 18:49, Mark Adams wrote:
> You are installing the integrator also right? (and configuring for your
> server..) you need all 3 plugins.
Why?
previously only connector and lightning where needed for the calender.
Integrator is address book right?
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> 1- invitations received from other SOGo users within the same instance,
> you'll NOT see the buttons. This is by design right now. The calendar
> where the event is will be refreshed and you'll be able to accept/decline
> the invitation from any calendar views or from the "Invitations" window.
Howdy,
On 07.09.2010 14:35, vikt...@gmail.com wrote:
> Are people successfully using the plugin?
Successful is relative ;-)
> I am still getting 100% cpu utilisation - making the plugin unusable for me.
Nothing special in this regard.
But invitation mails still don't work (need to save the ICS a
Hi,
ever since I started to use the new nightly builds for lighting in TB3, I
can no longer accept calender entries that are sent as ICS attachments.
The buttons just don't show up.
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