On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
Won't customers dealing with such a company will have whitelisted them
long ago?
For every 'mark' that is out there, stupidly entering their e-mail and
then getting a bunch of ads for which they didn't realize they had given
permission, there are people
On 7-Dec-2009, at 09:03, Charles Gregory wrote:
There's a need. A real genuine need for services like Habeas. But they need
to be *very* well managed and policed. And it seems, from some complaints,
that this is not happening
How a service like HABEAS needs to work is that 1) It keeps a
: LuKreme krem...@kreme.com
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Sent: Monday, 2009/December/07 09:22
Subject: Re: HABEAS_ACCREDITED WHY BY DEFAULT?
On 7-Dec-2009, at 09:03, Charles Gregory wrote:
There's a need. A real genuine need for services like Habeas. But they
need to be *very* well managed
Charles Gregory wrote:
There's a need. A real genuine need for services like Habeas.
It almost certainly depends on your environment - like my numbers
showed, over four months, I only had 45 emails that would have gone
down the drain without Habeas. In comparison to what was processed
that
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
Won't customers dealing with such a company will have whitelisted them
long ago?
For every 'mark' that is out there, stupidly entering their e-mail and
then getting a bunch of ads for which they didn't realize they had given
permission, there are
Charles Gregory wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
The other side of the argument is - why does any legitimate company
need to employ a service such as Habeas/Returnpath/whatever?
Any legitimate drug company that wants to send price lists to its
legitimate distributors or end
jdow wrote:
From: Per Jessen p...@computer.org
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 09:11
rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
This was raised as the IP appeared in HABEAS and for a few hours it
'vanished' from the list. It's back there now, but DateTheUk is now
pumping out via an ip six decimal
From: Per Jessen p...@computer.org
Sent: Saturday, 2009/December/05 02:20
Charles Gregory wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
The other side of the argument is - why does any legitimate company
need to employ a service such as Habeas/Returnpath/whatever?
Any legitimate drug
On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:20 AM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote:
Charles Gregory wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
The other side of the argument is - why does any legitimate company
need to employ a service such as Habeas/Returnpath/whatever?
Any legitimate drug company that
McDonald, Dan wrote:
On Dec 5, 2009, at 4:20 AM, Per Jessen p...@computer.org wrote:
Charles Gregory wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
The other side of the argument is - why does any legitimate company
need to employ a service such as Habeas/Returnpath/whatever?
Any
After all this debate about a negatively scored rule I'd
disable it anyway, because the spammers on the list will
target it specifically now, knowing it works well for them.
Stucki
Stucki,
it seems to me that you, of all people, would want a small negative or
positive score on that
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:18 -0800, jdow wrote:
From: LuKreme krem...@kreme.com
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/03 20:55
On Dec 3, 2009, at 13:43, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 11:23 -0700, J.D. Falk wrote:
On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:59 AM,
On 12/4/2009 10:57 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
FINAL
This is not a social club, it's a question and issues list for
Spamassassin. My question and issue is why, by default, does
Spamassassin use the HABEAS white list, and why is it out of the box set
with a score to favour delivery of
From: rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 01:57
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:18 -0800, jdow wrote:
From: LuKreme krem...@kreme.com
Sent: Thursday, 2009/December/03 20:55
On Dec 3, 2009, at 13:43, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
rich...@buzzhost.co.uk
wrote:
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at
From: Yet Another Ninja sa-l...@alexb.ch
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 02:28
On 12/4/2009 10:57 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
FINAL
This is not a social club, it's a question and issues list for
Spamassassin. My question and issue is why, by default, does
Spamassassin use the HABEAS
Outlook Express spell checker, that is Procmail not your stupid
substitution however apt it might be.
{+_+}
- Original Message -
From: jdow j...@earthlink.net
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 04:16
Heh, at this site procaine sits in front of SA. It has a few email
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 04:16 -0800, jdow wrote:
From: Yet Another Ninja sa-l...@alexb.ch
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 02:28
On 12/4/2009 10:57 AM, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
FINAL
This is not a social club, it's a question and issues list for
Spamassassin. My question and issue
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 11:28 +0100, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
The correct answer will be precisely why this state of affairs exists.
- because developers think/have thought its a good idea.
- because nobody other than you makes such a noise about it. And YOU who
are so against, have you
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Yet Another Ninja wrote:
. 'just change the score' is not the correct answer.
the answer is totally correct.
No, it is not. No more than it is correct for a spammer to offer me a
(working) 'unsubscribe' link. I don't want to discover I've been letting
spam in the
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
Qualifies what, that I get UBE that is Habeas Accredited? Should I start
with the 40 from 'DateTheuk' in the last 8 days?
Okay, let's be methodical. Let us indeed start with those.
Did anyone else get them?
If, so, how did they score?
If not,
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 10:50 -0500, Charles Gregory wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
Qualifies what, that I get UBE that is Habeas Accredited? Should I start
with the 40 from 'DateTheuk' in the last 8 days?
Okay, let's be methodical. Let us indeed start with those.
jdow wrote:
Color me smartassed but I want numbers not accusations. Can the
rhetoric and in bland neutral terms describe what you see in terms of
numbers, possible business relations, however loose, and so forth.
Here's some numbers to play with:
~500K messages delivered daily (as in, passed
rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
This was raised as the IP appeared in HABEAS and for a few hours it
'vanished' from the list. It's back there now, but DateTheUk is now
pumping out via an ip six decimal places up on the last octet.
80.75.69.195 WHITELISTED:sa-accredit.habeas.com
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 18:11 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
This was raised as the IP appeared in HABEAS and for a few hours it
'vanished' from the list. It's back there now, but DateTheUk is now
pumping out via an ip six decimal places up on the last octet.
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
Okay, let's be methodical. Let us indeed start with those.
Did anyone else get them?
No answer.
If, so, how did they score?
No answer.
If not, then why did only Richard get them?
No answer.
Point 1 - The Subject that was changed on
Charles Gregory wrote:
I don't care. Spamassassin does not have an 'opinion'. It has a
methodology.
Umm, it also has a set of rules which essentially make up the
SA opinion.
/Per Jessen, Zürich
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009, rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
Point 4 -
All that is largely irrelevant to this list, but my point of interest is
why a commercial white list appears in Spamassassin with the default
scores set the way they are? It's perfectly reasonable to ask. It could
be expanded to
Chr. von Stuckrad wrote:
After all this debate about a negatively scored rule I'd disable it
anyway, because the spammers on the list will target it specifically
now, knowing it works well for them.
The other side of the argument is - why does any legitimate company need
to employ a service
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Per Jessen wrote:
The other side of the argument is - why does any legitimate company need
to employ a service such as Habeas/Returnpath/whatever?
Any legitimate drug company that wants to send price lists to its
legitimate distributors or end customers, upon request, even
I've just had another one to a honeypot - care of myspace. My dog does
not have a myspace account. Again, this is a harvested email address.
204.16.33.75WHITELISTED:sa-accredit.habeas.com
Whilst I appreciate that nobody would turn their noses up at taking $$$
from someone like
From: Per Jessen p...@computer.org
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 09:11
rich...@buzzhost.co.uk wrote:
This was raised as the IP appeared in HABEAS and for a few hours it
'vanished' from the list. It's back there now, but DateTheUk is now
pumping out via an ip six decimal places up on the last
From: Per Jessen p...@computer.org
Sent: Friday, 2009/December/04 11:19
Chr. von Stuckrad wrote:
After all this debate about a negatively scored rule I'd disable it
anyway, because the spammers on the list will target it specifically
now, knowing it works well for them.
The other side of
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