in other areas still carry the 1.136 L size because some dairy
still produces it.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 11:18:08 AM
Subject: [USMA:44996] RE: FPLA 2010
No Jerry. I said that the Scottish Co-op use rounded metric sizes (apart
o any amount between 400 and 600 mL.
As long as the primary metric unit is correct and present, then that is all
that need matter.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 9:34:09 AM
Subject: [USMA:44991] Re: FPLA 2010
Perhaps Jerry.
But th
hat the 1.136 L size is destine to disappear completely in the
near future?
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association ;
jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 3:46:55 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:44946] RE: FPLA 2010
Because (until last month) the UK used a system o
emnant size? Even with that in mind it isn't 100 % in remnant units, as there
is rounded metric milk sizes too.
Stephen's claim that he purchases items by their "visible scale" proves the
vast majority of products are labeled in rounded metric only. Otherwise
Stephen would know
Stephen said
"Important note: as with other acts of pedantry, twisting the truth, and
general vendetta led spam - do not believe claims of joke posts by 'Jock' being
myself."
That's right. I'd better give everyone Stephen's totally believable version of
events.
Stephen claims to have been
hose in pseudo metric amounts..
Of the 92.1 % of containers packed using metric calibrated machines, how many
of those fills would be in rounded metric amounts?
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2009 3:28:37 PM
Subject: [USMA:44958] RE: FPLA
ow the net contents would be tested in the US; the
regulations caution not to round the converted value up.
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:44924] Re: FPLA 2010
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 6:18 PM
Gene
I
row about if you are pro-imperial.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association ;
jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:29:19 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:44890] RE: FPLA 2010
They haven't delivered doorstep milk in over a decade in my local area.
e, 453 g is the normal metric claim if a Customary
fill, and 454 g if a metric fill. Anything else would be "uncommon" and
probably hard to find an example of.
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:44955] Re: FPLA 2010
To: "U.S. Metric Association&q
as before?
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:28:02 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:44943] RE: FPLA 2010
To: usma@colostate.edu
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Funny how Stephen always leaves out the important information.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Met
ly regarded as a pound.
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:16:46 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:44939] Re: FPLA 2010
To: usma@colostate.edu
#yiv567135269 .ExternalClass DIV
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So technically a product marked as 450 g 1 lb would be tested to 450 g and the
1 lb ignor
#yiv750679283 .ExternalClass p
{}
Yes, here's another interesting side effect of the FPLA not yet being amended
to allow metric-only labeling.
My hunch is that Red Bull would switch to a rational metric size once the
amendment is ever adopted!
Speaking of metric-only labeling options,
Because (until last month) the UK used a system of prescribed quantities.
Milk in non-returnable containers had to be sold in prescribed metric measures
(which could also bear a supplementary indication). The prescribed
measures included 1 litre & 1.136 litres. They didn't include 1.1 litres
-
Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:34:13 PM
Subject: [USMA:44927] Re: FPLA 2010
You are correct on how the net contents would be tested in the US; the
regulations caution not to round the converted value up.
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Sub
May, 2009, 3:19 AM
What is the percentage of milk sold in increments of 568 mL compared to 500 mL?
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 6:24:02 PM
Subject: [USMA:44925] RE: FPLA 2010
Martin
Technically, milk in returnable contai
emiah MacGregor
Subject: [USMA:44939] Re: FPLA 2010
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Friday, 1 May, 2009, 3:16 AM
So technically a product marked as 450 g 1 lb would be tested to 450 g and the
1 lb ignored.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday,
in the US; the
regulations caution not to round the converted value up.
--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:44924] Re: FPLA 2010
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 6:18 PM
Gene
I think that you may have misinterpre
Stephen
As you are well aware, the average contents of 80 packages from an hour's
production in a dairy is highly unlikely to produce an integer value.
Dairies tend to measure to an approx. precision of ~0.1 ml when checking the
output of their filling machines
Therefore, an average of 568.
In addition, they often have further chip readers at random parts of the course (to try to catch out cheats). I'm not aware of these times ever being published though.--- On Tue, 28/4/09, John M. Steele wrote:
From: John M. Steele Subject: [USMA:44907] RE: Boston Marathon results in metricTo: "U.S
So, by Stephen's reckoning, a waxed paper carton of milk is returnable if it
doesn't have a primary metric marking.
Does anyone else feel that he's got this totally the wrong way round?
I do note that he actually admits that supermarket milk MUST be marked in
metric though. As we all know, it
I think Environmental Health might have something to say if this practice was
adopted!
--- On Tue, 28/4/09, Martin Vlietstra wrote:
From: Martin Vlietstra
Subject: [USMA:44894] RE: FPLA 2010
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Tuesday, 28 April, 2009, 5:12 AM
I have just checked a p
Stephen said
"You are already aware that milk in supermarkets and shops are frequently
labelled in pints too."
What he really means is that
You are already aware that milk in supermarkets and shops are always primarily
labelled in litres or millilitres but are also frequently labelled in pin
They haven't delivered doorstep milk in over a decade in my local area.
The last guy that did it couldn't get a buyer for his business.
--- On Mon, 27/4/09, Jeremiah MacGregor
wrote:
From: Jeremiah MacGregor
Subject: [USMA:44890] RE: FPLA 2010
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Monday, 2
Martin
Technically, milk in returnable containers MUST be in pints - there's no "may"
about it
(at least that was the situation until recently - I'm not fully up to speed
with the new Prescribed Quantity regulations yet - I'll check!)
--- On Mon, 27/4/09, Martin Vlietstra wrote:
From: Mar
Gene
I think that you may have misinterpreted the directive and the national
legislation of the EU members.
Metric is already the primary system used for trade measurement throughout the
EU (apart from the pint for draught beer & doorstep milk in a few places)
In the EU, packages are requir
I'm surprised that the UK "pro-choice" poster hasn't mentioned this. Doesn't one of his relatives regularly compete in the Flora Marathon? I'll maybe see if I can dig out a picture of competitors passing one of the (metric) timing locations.--- On Sat, 25/4/09, Jeremiah MacGregor wrote:
From: Jere
t;
> What deviations will each Member States tolerate?
> The actual wordings of P&L Laws might be a clue.
>
> Gene.
>
> Original message
> >Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:55:04 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: Ken Cooper
> >Subject: [USMA:44822] Packaging &a
Gene
You said
"Beyond the UK, I'll not be satisfied until I see the current Packaging and
Labeling Laws in German, Dutch, French, Italian, and Spanish, and observe the
distinctions between primary and supplementary indications. These languages
represent the major Ports of Entry into the EU."
ts,
second, there is no mention of which are to be considered primary (preferred)
after 2010 January 1, and which are to be only optional "supplementary
indications."
Is that question addressed in regulations not yet posted to the SLD?
Gene.
Original message
>Date: Wed, 22 A
are to be only optional "supplementary
indications."
Is that question addressed in regulations not yet posted to the SLD?
Gene.
Original message
>Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ken Cooper
>Subject: [USMA:44809] Re: Metric-Only Laws
>To: &qu
Ah yes. The typical vague insinuations that I'm posting false information..
Could you please be more specific, Stephen?
Are you suggesting that the Weights & Measures Act 1985 does not exist or that
the EU didn't carry out a consultation on the amendments to 80/181/EEC?
Or are you just posti
Stephen said
"Although in the UK we're at least served draught measures of beer, cider etc
in pint glasses (as opposed to highly fractional amounts)."
Isn't 19/20ths (the average actual fraction of a pint served) a highly
fractional amount?
(Source: Various Trading Standards & Camra surveys
Gene
The most up-to-date (free) versions of the legislation below will probably be
found at the UK Statute Law Database (SLD) - see interleaved replies in your
question for how to find them
For example, the version of the WMA published there includes the amendments to
the Act made between 19
Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:29:26 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ken Cooper
>Subject: [USMA:44797] Re: Metric-Only Laws
>To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Mechtly asked:
>"1. In each of t
Cheers Martin
It's a well-written piece.
But I did mention Directive 71/354 in my original reply!
I note that Wikipedia considers Directive 71/354's status to be "unknown"
If you check the preamble of 80/181/EEC, you will find (just before article 1)
"Where Community provisions relating t
Gene
You're asking a lot!
"1. In each of the Member States of the EU, what law(s) were enacted in
response to the EU Metric Directive?"
Here's the UK situation.
The following (current) legislation refers to or was amended in response to the
provisions of 80/181/EEC or the previous direct
e primary standard, even if he knows they never can or
will.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 9:50:48 AM
Subject: [USMA:44760] RE: Right-wing support for Imperial
In general terms, however, in the UK, there is more anti-metric suppor
turday, 18 April, 2009, 1:36 AM
Stephen can't provide examples of important imperial use, as none exist. Any
measurement that is important is measured in metric.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:28:08 PM
Subject: [USMA:44661] Re:
In general terms, however, in the UK, there is more anti-metric support within
parties of the right & far-right.
As far as I am aware, only two well-known UK political parties actively support
the reintroduction of Imperial as a primary measurement system.
These parties are the far-right UKIP
Stephen said
"a recently joined 'contributor' has used German nazi style words to describe
the Daily Mail elsewhere (I kid you not)."
Yes. The "Daily Mail" is commonly satirically known as the "Daily Heil" in the
UK. I quite happily admit to using this common description.
Nice try at mislea
Ezra
Are you suggesting that today's Daily Mail uses "nothing but imperial"?
May I suggest that you peruse the following stories from today's paper?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170267/My-husband-going-kill-terrified-mother-told-police-hours-murdered-children.html
http://www.dai
Alternatively, Ezra, you could consider why Stephen appears to be unwilling to
discuss UK metrication with someone that puts forward a viewpoint that
contradicts his own.
He appears to be suggesting that you avoid debate by ignoring & deleting UK
pro-metric postings. This appears to be similar
ith 130 °C in the normal range. With a
104 kPa / 15 PSI pressure cap, water will boil about 124 °C and is not a
satisfactory coolant.
--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:44669] Re: Stephen's fantasy imperial Britain
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Stephen has suggested that only one London Underground line used km/h & the
rest used mph & went on to suggest that there was no shared line running.
As usual, Stephen is being economical with the truth. Can he confirm that the
East London Line & the DLR use imperial? Or is he being pedantic &
poons.
Do you think the UK Tablespoon was originally one-half Imperial fl. oz.? If
so, you round a little further than we do, but neither is far off 15 mL.
--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:44658] Re: Even with "dual," you can't please everyb
Martin
I would agree with most things that you say, but have recently been in two
vehicles with "metric only" speedos/odometers
One was an Avery 48 tonne weighbridge unit, the other was a car transporter
capable of carrying a couple of cars.
Neither had supplementary imperial markings and a
And are those electronic "psi only" tyre pressure gauges that you describe used
in the majority of premises where you can check tyre pressures in the UK,
Stephen? That's not my experience.
Or are dual instruments more common? Can you provide some figures to back up
your opinion?
--- On Sun, 1
OK - Let's dissect Stephen's post.
When you take out the padding, he claims that "a typical Briton's day" includes
the following encounters with imperial/metric
"as I was driving my dash presented me with miles/ mph"
Yeah. It probably did. If it had an analogue speedo (like the vast majority
Ezra
The problem with your suggestion is that Stephen will take it as an invitation
to give a "true life example" where imperial appears to be in common use.
He will mention every use of imperial that he can think of (or will portray
dual as imperial only) in a store and then gloss over the
Stephen said
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"If you can ignore measures related to moving around anywhere outside your home
(whether on foot on bike or in car)"
Do you ever pass petrol (gas) stations, Stephen?
Very true, John
Unfortunately (IMO), the anti-metric activists have a very, very good PR
mechanism & a few influential supporters. They also have some really idiotic
supporters though - who are always good for a laugh!
It's always easier to make an argument for "let's keep the status quo" tha
Stephen said
"however with things regarding items where measurement is important you'll
usually get imperial or dual."
Medicine?
Engineering?
Science?
Taxation (Landfill, Excise duty etc)?
Pretty much all metric as far as I know
Please provide examples of "important" imperial use, Stephen.
Probably by using wavelengths of monochromatic cadmium red light in normal air
at 15º C. Similar experiments were carried out on the metre as early as 1892.
All the preparatory work using various monochromatic lights between 1892 & 1940
resulted in the adoption of the 1650763·73 orange-red Kry
John said
"I suspect all the odd dessertspoons, etc used in former UK cooking all have
precise meanings too, if only we could find them. Precisely determining their
meaning and documenting it in metric equivalents is the way to preserve those
old recipes."
My set of measuring spoons is clea
I would suggest that usage in the UK was similar. When I was younger, we
referred to the "Singles chart" and the "Albums chart". I've never heard anyone
refer to "the top thirty seven inchers" or similar.
You did hear some talk of 12" singles (to distinguish them from the standard
shorter sing
Ironically, the US citizen's (Jerry's) summary is far closer to the truth than
the UK citizen's (Stephen's) version of events in the UK. In general, however,
it tends to be US-based firms that offer free top-ups on coffee.
I note that Stephen claims that "tea & other soft drinks get served in
p://www.gas-guide.org.uk/meters.html
> >
> > It would appear from the example that the gas has a heat content of 39.25
> > MJ/m³ and that they
> > calculate the energy used first in megajoules, which many of us would argue
> > is more correct,
> > then convert it
a heat content of 39.25 MJ/m³
and that they calculate the energy used first in megajoules, which many of us
would argue is more correct, then convert it to kilowatt-hours.
What is the rationale for billing in kilowatt-hours?
--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [US
Why do you miss out all the calculations between "hcf" and "kWh" Stephen?
Is that because the first calculation is to convert the "hcf" figure to cubic
metres.
You are right about one thing, however. All gas suppliers take a figure
expressed in cubic metres & use the same calculation to arriv
Stephen said
"P.S. (the smallprint) note that this post might be aggressively subject to
pedantry in order to be made to look wrong simply for the sake of it"
No Stephen. I can't spot any actual untruths in your post.
Is it pedantic to mention that you appear to have forgotten how natural g
John
As you correctly state, natural gas is effectively charged in kilowatt-hours.
The gas is measured in cubic feet (older meters) and converted to cubic metres
or measured directly in cubic metres (more modern meters). Old style cu. ft.
meters are slowly being replaced by m^3 meters. The fig
Here's a favourite anti-metric extremist tactic in action.
Whenever referring to remnant use of imperial units, always mention the store
that uses them most and pretend that this is the norm rather than the exception.
BTU are sometimes still used to describe aircons & heaters in the UK. Someti
Is Stephen suggesting that Tesco have reverted to Imperial-only lb/oz scales?
Surely he's not suggesting that Tesco are breaking UK law...
It's funny that no-one else has ever made reference to this apparent u-turn..
You would have thought that it would have been all over the news. Surely i
es. In that line, teabags are either 50 count 125
g, or 80 count 250 g, and loose tea only in 500 g tins (I have never bought any
of those, I think the line is new.)
--- On Mon, 3/30/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:44236] RE: Tea
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
I wonder whether Stephen is deliberately posting incorrect nonsense in an
attempt to goad me into posting?
Yes. Pitchers are in common use in the UK. The prescribed sizes of "CE" marked
pitchers are 2, 4, 8 & 16 pints. The prescribed sizes of "Crown Stamped"
pitchers are 2 & 4 pints.
So, Ste
Jerry
In the UK, tea is not usually sold by liquid measure.
However, in supermarkets & specialist tea shops it is sold by weight (just add
boiling water!)
Tea is another product that is currently subject to prescribed quantities.
Current pack sizes include 125g, 250g, 500g, 750g & 1kg
Tea
Paul
Would that be because UK pharmacies & chemists work solely in metric?
--- On Sun, 29/3/09, Paul Trusten wrote:
From: Paul Trusten
Subject: [USMA:44185] RE: Downsizing beer glasses
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 1:39 PM
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PADDI
Jerry said
"All you have said is that beer CAN be sold in oversized glasses. This does
not mean it is."
My local uses oversized lined pint measures
"You also say that one CAN ask for a top up. Again that doesn't mean people
do."
I do. In addition, if the beer is particularly frisky, th
Stephen said
"You can go back to ask for it to be topped up if you think that the pint is
not a legal pint."
You can also ask for it to be served in a glass slipper if you want. Or with a
cherry on a cocktail stick.
The top-up is not a right. It is a suggestion in a code of practice.
I'm
Pat said
"Sadly, it is true that the word, pint, is still used in Australian hotels. And
it is still used, as it is in the UK, to hide a long period of downsizing by
the beer companies in collusion with government consumer affairs officials."
That may be true in Australia, Pat, but it does no
Stephen said
"BTW - it's also one of those areas where countries are 'officially metric but
practically imperial' - very like the UK."
Are you referring to the same UK that I live in, Stephen?
In what way is it "practically imperial"?
All you ever refer to is a few supplementary indication
Stephen Humphreys said
"I tend to feel that people are inherently good, that a minority are bad. I
also believe that we should come down heavy on anyone who is bad. I also think
that if your bread and butter (does that translate to US?) relies on a good
reputation then you don't cheat your o
The article also claims that "NB: Polish restaurants sell vodka in grams."
When I visited Poland, soup was sold in grammes, but vodka was most definitely
sold in millilitres.
I think it's the author that's confused, not the Poles!
--- On Sun, 22/3/09, John M. Steele wrote:
From: John M. St
Pat
I'd like to comment on some of the points you make in your interesting article
below.
"Hearing that a single German bureaucrat, Guenter Verheugen, had condemned the
UK to at least another hundred years of dual measurements with their associated
confusion and cost"
Nothing that Verheuge
I'll not rise to the insults, and limit my response only to matters related to
the article and metrication.
1) Stephen says that the article is out of context. How can a link to a
stand-alone article that quotes the entire article be considered to be out of
context or to leave out important fa
Here's a link to a page from Hannover University that appears to explain the difference between SI & the Cyrillic alternative symbols.
It's in German & Russian, but isn't very difficult to understand.
http://www.user.uni-hannover.de/ntr/russisch/si-einheiten.html5
Out of the base units, only
The following letter appeared in the Bucks Free Press around 16 months ago.
I'll leave it to the other contributors to the board to judge the "pro-choice"
credentials of the writer.
http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/search/1868383.People_use_the_metric_system_only_when_forced/
People use the me
ler and I don't think the UK allows the bushel or its
subdivisions anyway do they?
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
> From: Ken Cooper
> Subject: [USMA:43925] RE: EU Metric Directive
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:15 PM
>
labels.
The fonts are usually *the same* for both declarations.
Gene.
Original message
>Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Ken Cooper
>Subject: [USMA:43931] RE: EU Metric Directive
>To: "U.S. Metric Association"
>
> Gene
ic Directive
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Monday, 16 March, 2009, 3:52 AM
Ken Cooper wrote:
"The EU Directive can be considered to be an instruction to the member states
to implement the directive into their own national legislation, It's
in metric units all
over the world?"
I said, "Do you talk cars in metric since they're all made in metric."
Satisfied?
Original Message
Subject: [USMA:43953] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel &
fish sales in the UK.
Brian
Can I ask why you've changed Jerry's question?
As far as I recall (and we can look back up the thread if you wish), he didn't
actually ask the question you ascribe to him in quotation marks.
The two questions I recall him asking Stephen were in the present tense. I
don't remember eith
the bushel or its
subdivisions anyway do they?
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
> From: Ken Cooper
> Subject: [USMA:43925] RE: EU Metric Directive
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:15 PM
> David
>
> The EU Directive can
Bill
To avoid copying & pasting, I've interspersed my responses to your points in
italics below
--- On Sun, 15/3/09, Bill Potts wrote:
From: Bill Potts
Subject: [USMA:43933] RE: EU Metric Directive
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 10:47 PM
As long as Step
ity, advertised in US gallons, but designed in
liters; oil-change volume requirements, designed in liters, but advertised in
quarts; and so on.
Bill
Bill Potts
WFP Consulting
Roseville, CA
http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu
Gene
I would disagree with your interpretation. UK law only states that an imperial
supplementary indication must be be no more prominent than the primary metric.
Whether one indication is given first or second may not be relevant to this
To give an extreme example,
1 lb 454 g
would defi
David
The EU Directive can be considered to be an instruction to the member states to
implement the directive into their own national legislation, It's up to the
member states how they do this.
Therefore, I can only speak as to my interpretation of how this is implemented
in the UK.
An "Im
Careton
It's the same in the UK. The bag containing the donated blood is hung from a
(metric) spring balance. The nurse jiggles the spring balance every couple of
minutes to make sure it hasn't "stuck".
I'm not sure what the target weight is though - it's difficult to see the scale
when lyin
Jerry
Â
Remember that Stephen likes to give out-of-date examples that have some mention
of imperial.
Â
On this occasion, I strongly suspect that he is referring to his Rover Mini Rio.
Â
This Mini is an "old-style" mini (over 5 million "old-style" minis were
produced between 1959 & 2000). The N
The vast majority of prepacked UK brands are in rounded metric (litre) amounts.
The rest, of course, are still marked in primary metric. None of the US brands
available in the UK are marked in US pints.
I think that it would be better if ice-cream was sold by weight rather than
volume, though.
I also see that one response claims " Like in UK, where a greengrocer was
arrested for selling greens in pounds. Do we really need to go there?"
No-one has ever been arrested for selling in pounds in the UK. All the traders
that have been prosecuted have gone through the whole cycle of :
1) A
If I may be permitted, I would correct a slight error in my post below. The
correction is in italics.
Apologies.
--- On Mon, 9/3/09, Ken Cooper wrote:
From: Ken Cooper
Subject: [USMA:43605] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish
sales in the U
for the
poor quality. But it is definitely metric! And, no, I didn't think it meant
miles - it's actually the other way round, it's the 'No Right Turn for 10 m'
sign which has me confused, as I still (?) think in metric on the roads.
- Original Message -
e to Amsterdam or Copenhagen most of the time.. Even though we
have a direct BA flight.
For you to assume that I meant all of Europe shows that you're just a troll.
I could care less about Elvis
Original Message
Subject: [USMA:43546] Re: Jerry's question
For you to assume that I meant all of Europe shows that you're just a
troll..
I could care less about Elvis
Original Message
Subject: [USMA:43546] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel &
fish sales in the UK.
From: Ken Cooper
made. How would a short one time
visit make me an expert on metric usage in the UK?
But Ken, I would be more then happy to go as soon as I receive the check/cheque
from Brian.
Jerry
From: Ken Cooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 3:59:04 PM
Subject: [USMA:43
ng irritated with Stephen trying to personalize the debate and
calling me by someone Else's name. Wouldn't it be so much easier for him to
just prove what he claims, especially if someone is able to prove otherwise?
Keep up the good work in keeping us informed with the reality of me
t of which not having anything to do
with the measurement used.
Original Message
Subject: [USMA:43524] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel &
fish sales in the UK.
From: Ken Cooper
Date: Sun, March 08, 2009 12:59 pm
To: "U.S. Metric Associati
erry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish
sales in the UK.
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:16 PM
They are current, because they are currently out there (it costs a lot to
replace signs – we have some here in Maryland that a
tric Association"
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 10:16 PM
They are current, because they are currently out there (it costs a lot to
replace signs – we have some here in Maryland that are over thirty years old,
and people can still find their way). I would guess that if the sign has
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