Daniel:
talk ... talk ... talk ...
Alright, on top of that, diamonds - artificial or otherwise - make some of the best
industrial cutting tools and are the "hardest known material." [1] (I even think they
use them in dentist's drills; methinks a dentist somewhere told me that.) I wonder
wha
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 15:00, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> Are any of them still single? ;-)
> Daniel
My, uh, roommate's brother would also like to know the answer to that
question. ;-)
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Are any of them still single? ;-)
Daniel
> I know a family of many daughters whose father has instructed each of
> them not to marry any man who dares buy her a diamond ring. The married
> ones have cz rings.
>
> Steve
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On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 16:32, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> I'm either going to marry a girl who's sensible enough to realize that we're
> talking about a piece of carbon, or get so whipped that I'm not thinking
> straight.
I know a family of many daughters whose father has instructed each of
them not
Oh, you can sell it to a jeweler - I was one for 7 years,
purchased them all the time. Did I pay retail for them NO WAY.
I didn't even pay for them what I would pay for them from my
cutter. Why, well lets say I need to show a client something
sepcial, I would go to my safe and get out a sel
Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
As far as resale value goes diamonds have none. It may appraise at a
certain value but you cannot sell it to a jeweler. Why?
True. But you can sell it to another would-be customer. However, what
you'll get for it is a lot lower than what the jewelery would get for it.
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On Mon 29 Sep 2003 at 13:01:59, Daniel Crookston said:
And that is why I have a box full of gold, rubies, sapphires, and diamonds
in my bedroom. Hardest stuff of value there is, but it's not terribl
Daniel Crookston wrote:
I've been in the same circumstances twice now, actually. I still think it's
a terrible waste of money. Why not buy moissanite instead, have a prettier
ring, and use the money you saved on the honeymoon? Which is more
important, a rock to wear on your finger, or happy mem
I've been in the same circumstances twice now, actually. I still think it's
a terrible waste of money. Why not buy moissanite instead, have a prettier
ring, and use the money you saved on the honeymoon? Which is more
important, a rock to wear on your finger, or happy memories?
> I just bought m
On Mon 29 Sep 2003 at 16:32:48, Daniel Crookston said:
> I'm either going to marry a girl who's sensible enough to realize that we're
> talking about a piece of carbon, or get so whipped that I'm not thinking
> straight.
I just bought my fiancee a diamond on Friday. Yes, I'd done my
research. Ye
On Mon 29 Sep 2003 at 13:01:59, Daniel Crookston said:
> And that is why I have a box full of gold, rubies, sapphires, and diamonds
> in my bedroom. Hardest stuff of value there is, but it's not terribly
> liquid.
If you
My lady chose a very nice Thai sapphire which matches her eyes better than
any diamond. That's why I married her--she has sense. You get what you
desire, and for me it's all about attitude and priorities. She would rather
have a nice sapphire and stay out of debt then finance a civil war
Hydrogen bonding is an unusually strong force of attraction between highly
polar molecules in which hydrogen is covalently bonded to nitrogen,
oxygen, or fluorine.
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On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:32, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> What really gets me is diamonds. DeBeers has acres and acres of railroad
> cars full of diamonds in South Africa (or somewhere, anyway) that they're
> withholding from the market to make sure that diamonds stay expensive. And
> if you so much
I tell you what, when I open my semiconductor fab, I'll trade you a
barrel of wheat for a pound of gold any day you want :)
It just depends on the times.
Bryan
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 15:22, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> People like gold. If food gets scarce, then food is more important; until
> then
What really gets me is diamonds. DeBeers has acres and acres of railroad
cars full of diamonds in South Africa (or somewhere, anyway) that they're
withholding from the market to make sure that diamonds stay expensive. And
if you so much as *suggest* that a girl consider an alternative to a diamon
People like gold. If food gets scarce, then food is more important; until
then, gold has value.
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The funny thing is, gold and diamonds do have some practical uses
today that make them valuable (albeit probably not to the extent that
we value them). Historically, it was mostyle the "shiny doodad" quality,
combined with relative scarcity (and sometimes artificially
created scarcity) that led peo
Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
Daniel Crookston wrote:
True, but the fact remains that were a catastrophe to occur on such a
level
as to disrupt the value of paper money, gold and other things of the sort
have a pretty good chance of being trade-able.
I'm still confused, what value does gold have? Asi
Daniel Crookston wrote:
True, but the fact remains that were a catastrophe to occur on such a level
as to disrupt the value of paper money, gold and other things of the sort
have a pretty good chance of being trade-able.
I'm still confused, what value does gold have? Aside from the ablilty to
exc
I wouldn't touch them even if I knew they were there...
Devin
Daniel Crookston wrote:
And if you can find them in the mess that is my room, you deserve to have
them ;-) Another thing I like about them is their size. I can easily keep
a bag of rubies in my socks/underwear/etc. and not worry tha
And if you can find them in the mess that is my room, you deserve to have
them ;-) Another thing I like about them is their size. I can easily keep
a bag of rubies in my socks/underwear/etc. and not worry that a pickpocket
is going to run off with them when I'm not paying attention.
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True, but the fact remains that were a catastrophe to occur on such a level
as to disrupt the value of paper money, gold and other things of the sort
have a pretty good chance of being trade-able.
> Of course, most of the value attached to those things is artificial,
> too.
>
> >>>I have a box fu
yes. but if you pay it off immediately, then it isn't "debt"... it's
acting like a debit card. you don't have to make sure that you have the
money when the bill comes. when the bill comes, it's already paid. you
only spend money you have.
On Sep 29, 2003, at 13:15, Matt W. wrote:
From: "Wade P
Sweet! Do you keep all your cash under your mattress too? What was
your address again?
:-)
Bryan
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 12:01, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> > On the other hand, in a real emergency, or if order were to break down,
> > cash becomes a worthless piece of paper. After all money is com
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:01, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> > On the other hand, in a real emergency, or if order were to break down,
> > cash becomes a worthless piece of paper. After all money is completely
> > artificial. But we need it because we have attached value to it as a
> > world, and so we
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 13:01, Daniel Crookston wrote:
> And that is why I have a box full of gold, rubies, sapphires, and diamonds
> in my bedroom.
What was your home address? I was thinking about swinging by. Just so I
don't miss you, when are you and everyone else likely to _not_ be home?
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From: "Wade Preston Shearer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> get 1% back on every purchase... AND, i pay off each purchase every
> night online (keep the receipt) via my credit unions free website by
Can't you pay it off once a month and still avoid any sort of fees, 30-day
grace period? Don't all credit c
Of course, most of the value attached to those things is artificial,
too.
>>>I have a box full of gold, rubies, sapphires, and diamonds in my
bedroom
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> On the other hand, in a real emergency, or if order were to break down,
> cash becomes a worthless piece of paper. After all money is completely
> artificial. But we need it because we have attached value to it as a
> world, and so we need to have it.
And that is why I have a box full of gold,
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:47, Johann wrote:
> > VISA is accepted everywhere.,
>
> No, it certainly is not. Tried buying gas in California? Or a hot dog at a
> street vendor? Or buying computer hardware from people who actually charge
> you the fees they pay to accept your credit card? Or online ven
i was never cheerleading cards. i use what works best, is the most
convenient, and is the most economical. credit cards do not raise
prices. as stated, visa requires that business do not raise prices to
cover transaction fees.
(see inserted comments below)
On Sep 29, 2003, at 11:47, Johann wro
Johann wrote:
Um ... sorry, but cash isn't one of the thicker things in my wallet.
Two credit cards is about as thick as 5+ bills.
Unless your cash is wrinkly like mine, and you carry a trifold. In that
case one wrinkly bill probably averages around 5+ and I only have to
carry one card. Besides, ca
>>>Can you pay fast offerings? Can you hand
a hungry traveler $20?
I thought I paid the first to eliminate the second . . . :)
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> AND, i pay off each purchase every night online (keep the receipt) via
> my credit unions free website by transferring funds from my savings
> account to the VISA.
What credit union do you use? Is your visa through your credit union?
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> my VISA through my credit union (not a bank),
But VISA and all the card processors are only nominally different from
"banks" -- and how does it matter if you use a VISA through a CU vs. a
bank? They're only marginally different nowadays. To date
Michael Torrie wrote:
By the way, this fee is why EBC charges more for parts if you buy
them with VISA than if you bought them with cash. Because they have
to pay VISA to accept VISA cards, and VISA takes a small commission.
Well, technically they charge you /less/ for /cash/ purchases. VISA
won't
On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:57 pm, Steve Dibb wrote:
> You gotta do something like:
>
> By reading this email you acknowledge that you agree to these rights:
> 1) You won't use this post as a reference for legal advice
> 2) I can kick you in the head if you flame me
>
> If for any reason at all
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Steve Dibb wrote:
> GPL, MS EULA or otherwise, if it's not signed, in my mind, it's not
> legal. So it seems to me that ignoring MS's EULAs and adhering to the
> GPL would be a principle of select morality - i.e. I do what I think is
> right, when I agree with the goal's o
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:45, Michael Halcrow wrote:
> Not quite.
>
> If you were to argue that a EULA is not valid because you didn't sign
> it, fine. If a court of law agrees with you, then you are scott
> free.
>
> If you were to argue that the GPL is not valid because you didn't sign
> it, fi
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> no debt and i am getting 1% back. AND, i don't have to carry any cash,
> leaving my wallet almost paper thin. and, VISA is accepted everywhere.,
...and, you promote an economy with a 2% sales tax paid to Visa, Corp.
Which is actually fine, and
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 17:52, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> my VISA through my credit union (not a bank), has no annual fee and i
> get 1% back on every purchase... AND, i pay off each purchase every
> night online (keep the receipt) via my credit unions free website by
> transferring funds from
my VISA through my credit union (not a bank), has no annual fee and i
get 1% back on every purchase... AND, i pay off each purchase every
night online (keep the receipt) via my credit unions free website by
transferring funds from my savings account to the VISA. it's beautiful.
no debt and i am
Not quite.
If you were to argue that a EULA is not valid because you didn't sign
it, fine. If a court of law agrees with you, then you are scott
free.
If you were to argue that the GPL is not valid because you didn't sign
it, fine. If a court of law agrees with you, you can then be sued for
cop
Stuart Jansen wrote:
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:01, Michael Halcrow wrote:
IANAL. This is my opinion and not my employer's. Yada yada yada...
Perhaps it is time for you to add a line to your sig. I suggest:
"I have been known (on rare occasions) to express an opinion. While I
make every effo
My point wasn't so much the differences in the licensing, but rather the
approach to, in my mind, unbinding contracts based solely on the ethics
of the user.
GPL, MS EULA or otherwise, if it's not signed, in my mind, it's not
legal. So it seems to me that ignoring MS's EULAs and adhering to th
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 16:01, Michael Halcrow wrote:
> IANAL. This is my opinion and not my employer's. Yada yada yada...
Perhaps it is time for you to add a line to your sig. I suggest:
"I have been known (on rare occasions) to express an opinion. While I
make every effort for this to be a (sem
to me. :)
>
> Steve
>
> Nick Goehring wrote:
> >Amen Steve!!
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Steve Dibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sep 25, 2003 8:08 PM
> >To: BYU Unix Users Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
On Sun, 2003-09-28 at 15:39, Steve Dibb wrote:
> This just occurred to me ... if I totally screw the EULA, how can I at
> the same time praise, promote, and adhere to the GPL?
>
> Hmm.
>
> At least the GPL makes it obvious that you're not legally bound to agree
> to its terms since you never si
matter of agreeing with the
licenses that ethically appeal to me. :)
Steve
Nick Goehring wrote:
Amen Steve!!
Nick
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Sent: Sep 25, 2003 8:08 PM
To: BYU Unix Users Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uug] Fascinating su
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Ever wonder why we all hate Microsoft so much for skimming money off the
> top of every computer system on the market when we don't have such a
> problem with VISA skimming off part of a percent of almost all
> transactions world-wide.
Actually, I stro
James Nickerson wrote:
Perhaps we should just encourage migration to the Commodore 64. I
doubt there's a virus alive that would affect that sucker at all.
Actually, using funny hardware (and funny software) is an (somewhat)
accepted security practice. If you run Boa on a PowerPC instead of
Apach
> Perhaps we should just encourage migration to the Commodore 64. I
doubt
>there's a virus alive that would affect that sucker at all.
And thanks to some people who have too much time on their hands its now
broadband capable.
-Richard Holden
BYU Unix Users Grou
Another thing that I think is a factor is the relative age of Windows. Unix
has been around for a long time now, Windows is still relatively young.
Maybe it's just me, but Windows seems to be getting better (and, yes, more
bloated) with every release. Perhaps by the time Windows is as old as Unix
On Friday 26 September 2003 08:33 am, Steve Dibb wrote:
> software here*', and then point out (calmly, not foaming at the mouth)
> that Microsoft's shoddy and world-wide accepted software is the reason
> for all the problems.
I'm the first to agree that there seem to be more security hol
up
Subject: Re: [uug] Fascinating supposed rumor about SCO and Microsoft
I confess that I watch a lot of news. Over the past 2 years, when ever I
have seen a virus notice on CNN or CNN-HLN, it states that it only affects
MS OSs.
They also do an occational mention of linux.
Matt W.
- Origin
D]>
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Subject: RE: [uug] Fascinating supposed rumor about SCO and Microsoft
> I've always thought that it is a spectacular feat of the MS marketing
> machine that com
;m quite sure that this
is not an accident.
dave
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [uug] Fascinating supposed rumor about SCO and Microsoft
> Nothing inflammatory, just some kind
Nothing inflammatory, just some kind of Linux promo (giving companies we
actually support a bit of free advertising, maybe also the PLUG and the
UGG) that makes it clear that Linux Torvalds created Linux and that it
has no direct Unix ancestor.
Raising community awareness is a good thing.
The pro
riginal Message-
> >From: Steve Dibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Sep 25, 2003 8:08 PM
> >To: BYU Unix Users Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: [uug] Fascinating supposed rumor about SCO and Microsoft
> >
> >
> >
> >>/However/
CTED]>
Subject: Re: [uug] Fascinating supposed rumor about SCO and Microsoft
/However/, it is chilling to think that they could write in their next
license that users are not permitted to use any GPL'd software
(Microsoft's greatest bane) on the same computer as the particular
Microsoft so
Amen Steve!!
Nick
-Original Message-
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Sent: Sep 25, 2003 8:08 PM
To: BYU Unix Users Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [uug] Fascinating supposed rumor about SCO and Microsoft
> /However/, it is chilling to think that they could
/However/, it is chilling to think that they could write in their next
license that users are not permitted to use any GPL'd software
(Microsoft's greatest bane) on the same computer as the particular
Microsoft software. I don't know if that would be particularly legal or
not, but they wouldn't eve
Highly interesting.
I honestly don't think Microsoft could get rid of /all/ "Open Source",
considering things like OS X and other things like that.
/However/, it is chilling to think that they could write in their next
license that users are not permitted to use any GPL'd software
(Microsoft's gr
I don't put much stock in this type of thing at all (and probably most
of us UUG'ers don't), but in our current climate, anything is possible.
I mean viruses can now be transmitted successfully by e-mail. Probably
the best conspiracy theory I've ever read. It is logical, but I really
don't think
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