Monica,
well here is "my way", not the only possible, naturally. ;-
on the first line in the second bar - are the figures over the second
D 5-6?
Yes. And I'd play 5-b6. (and also the last chord if 1st bar G-minor.
on the first line in the third bar the second 7-6 - should the 6 be
shar
the b-guitar? To the lute
and theorbo there are lots of Lully, and here and there some pieces also
by other great names of those times.
Best,
Arto
On 16/11/12 22:02, Arto Wikla wrote:
Dear lutenists of every type and baroque guitarists,
I find it quite interesting that mo
Dear "flat back" lutenists,
My try on de Visee's Chaconne in A minor is - as I told - is in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHHPeLMNYU&feature=youtu.be
http://vimeo.com/53172045
As I said, there is the original(?) theorbo version of this d-minor lute
version, but I have a strong memory im
2012 22:30, Arto Wikla <[1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:
Perhaps someone in the main lute list and in the "vihuela list"
(mainly baroque guitar list) could be interested in de Visee stuff
by baroque lute? I tried to play some:
Robert de Visee: Pastoralle
Perhaps someone in the main lute list and in the "vihuela list" (mainly
baroque guitar list) could be interested in de Visee stuff by baroque
lute? I tried to play some:
Robert de Visee: Pastoralle in F# minor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI7z6tOU_2Q&feature=youtu.be
http://vime
Great project and very beautiful video! Thanks Bud!
Arto
On 13/09/12 18:29, bud roach wrote:
Hello Friends-
On this issue I do have something to contribute- a very specific
example from the alfabeto repertoire (along with some shameless
self-promotion!)
In preparation fo
I am afraid that we have opened the Pandora's box ... ;-)
Arto
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:55:52 -, "Monica Hall"
wrote:
> A pandora is a lute shaped wire-strung instrument. It is one of the
> instruments which forms part of the broken consort for which Morley et al
> composed music.
>
> M
Well, Oliver Strunk writes "chitarrino". As far as I know, chitarrino, 4
course "renaissance guitar", was not at all unknown in Italy in times of
Agazzari... But I have never heard about "chitarrina", but of course that
does not exclude its existence... ;-)
best regards,
Arto
On Sun, 11 Dec 201
17th century players" as you wrote!
I have some clips of Agazzari's article in my 16 years old page, see
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/agazzari.html
All the best,
Arto
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Dear "flat-back" lutenists,
as I told earlier, also we "fat-back" lutenists strum our instrument every
now and then. My example of today is a nice piece - with politically not so
correct name,though, see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8q45d1wDww
Best,
Arto
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is not the best to conduct
these discussions - but what do you suggest - not raising any such
issues at all?
regards
M
--- On Wed, 11/5/11, wikla wrote:
From: wikla
Subject: [VIHUELA] Baroque guitar culture and habits?
To: "Vihuelalist"
Date
Dear "flat back lutenists",
I just read:
>> I did :-) And I don't understand your edition.
> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn some more counterpoint.
Here we go again! Dear baroque guitarists, why cannot you be friends
supporting and adding up each others' brilliant ideas - as we
Great final to the more or less interesting discussion!
Thanks Monica! ;-)
Arto
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 17:53:45 +0100, "Monica Hall"
wrote:
>> I just don't agree with you that the bass part
>> in Marini 1622 is never to be played when the guitar strums alfabeto -
>
> P.S. What Marini himsel
Dear Monica and the List,
years ago I heard a story (perhaps urban (or rural?) legend?) about a
native English speaker, who probably had only read the Bible -- the English
version, of course, S/he was asked about learning "foreign" languages. S/he
answered: "If English was good to Jesus, it is go
story:
He told me that he found it in the "attic of the oldest house of the course
center"... And the piece just happened to be "Preludio detta la Wikla"...
You can find his original handwriting - and also a really good piece to
theorbo! - in
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla
Thanks to everyone
for introducing b-guitar to a theorbist!
While thinking of b-guitar I had to "tube" some strumming on b-lute, a
Sarabande by Mercure:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTZKpXIx1Dg
Arto
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Dear flat-back lutenists,
is there any repertoire/composer of baroque guitar that/who without any
modern disagreement definitely used the "double re-entrant" tuning - the
5th and 4th having only in the upper octaves? De Visee perhaps?
To a theorbist with two top strings lowered an octave that set
spect!
>
>MH
>--- On Fri, 3/9/10, wikla wrote:
>
> From: wikla
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Castaldi
> To: l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Cc: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Date: Friday, 3 September, 2010, 21:28
>
>Thanks for your thanks Ron!
Dear baroque guitarists,
I just am so happy that the life to us, lutenists, is so much simpler than
it seems to be to you! Not too much trouble with the "bourdons" and
octaves. ;-)
And we have more or less the basses there, too.
Happy playing and strumming! :)
Arto
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Interesting!
I just happened to hear the Private Musicke and Kozuna just before the
talks here. They happened to have the opening concert here in the "Helsinki
Festival": Love Madrigals of the 17th century. Great! Clearly the first
time "early music" gets that much attention in this festival.
I
Thanks Jocelyn!
Very beautiful and so relaxed: "La Seraphine" by Guillaume Morlaye is a
gem!
All the best,
Arto
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:23:19 -0400, "Nelson, Jocelyn"
wrote:
> Dear list,
>
>My university recently posted a series of videos on You Tube. If you
>follow this link, you'll
Dear flat back lutenists, especially baroque guitarists,
I've done some de Visee tubings by "Théorbe de pieces" that perhaps might
interest also baroque guitarists?
In any case de Visee made (or had made?) his guitar pieces to theorbo and
his theorbo pieces to guitar.
So the following theorbo pi
On 1/17/2009, "Rob MacKillop" wrote:
>Please forgive me!
>[1]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke
Very beautiful!
Arto
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On 1/11/2009, "Stuart Walsh" wrote:
> I've put a couple of little pieces in A minor by Graf Logy ...or Losy
> ..or whatever his name is:
>
> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFRlm97MTI&feature=channel_page
Why so many videos in the tube are without the head of the player? Makes
listening very di
This is interesting! Why dissonances would become more dissonant as
pitch is lowered? Is it an opinion or a physical fact?
Speaking as a piano tuner, I can say it's a physical fact on a piano.
Much less so on a harpsichord, and undoubtedly much less so on a vihuela
also. Piano strings are so
gary digman wrote:
There may be a reason to be concerned about whether one is tuned in "E",
"G" or "A". Dissonances become more dissonant as pitch is lowered. This
might noticeably change the texture of the music.
This is interesting! Why dissonances would become more dissonant as
pitch is lo
Roman Turovsky wrote:
I've read through that PDF, and it contains quite a few Ukrainian items,
some of them in really peculiar versions. For example- #22 is really
based on
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.pdf
http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/hryts1.mid
http://www.torban.org/pisni/im
On 5/31/2008, "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
.
> Much earlier Italian sources, e.g Millioni indicate that you should strum
> between the rose and the neck.
..
> You should play with the right hand, with three or four fingers, having them
> separate from one another, so as to render the
Dear Eugene and the Lists,
On 4/11/2008, "Eugene C. Braig IV" wrote:
> At 05:25 AM 4/11/2008, Arto Wikla wrote:
> >The "mandora" here means the tiny soprano lute, perhaps it should be
> >called mandolino?
>
> Depends, but in this case, it definitely l
On 1/18/2008, "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In things like the Cavalieri the singer probably accompanied himself on
> stage, rather than the guitar being part of the continuo group.
I suppose the on-stage "playing" was most often played by the continuo
group. There are several ex
Dear all pluckers,
> The guitar does feature in the Florentine Intermedii. It is just possible
> that it was used in Landi's opera Sant Alessio as this includes a duet for
> the two humourous characters which is also included in one of Landi's song
> books with alfabeto.
Perhaps it is not co
> I don't really see any "black swan" issues here. An instrument is what its
> contemporary builders and players named it. I don't see nearly as much
> value in categorizing instrument types into biological-like families as
> some. Of course, all these things are related and borrow inspiration
On Wednesday 02 May 2007 19:03, bill kilpatrick wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyvrCMmt8k
Nice! Very nice! Thanks Bill.
Arto
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ot; and "Canarie" in my page
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Lully/Marche/
My explanation reads:
"These arrangements for chitarrino are made so that it is possible to
strum all the chords. That is why some harmonies have been slighly
changed - there are some 7th's wher
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Rob MacKillop wrote:
> >>>Do you disagree?<<<
>
> Yes. But whether I agree or not is irrelevant to your argument, which seems
> to be: because there were not many lute or vihuela players around at that
> time, who are we to criticise the playing standard then? If that is your
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006, Rob MacKillop wrote:
> Arto, I'm not sure what your point is?
Well, Akkerman played very well considering the video was from 1973 and
considering he played the Dowland piece in a rock concert, as I guess
it was played! I do not know his background, either his "band" if there
> > James Tyler, Robert Spencer,
> > Anthony Bailes, Diana Poulton, Dumbois, Donna Curry,
> > Richard Glenn, Jurgen Hubscher, Walter Gerwig, Konrad
> > Ragossnig, Anthony Rooley, Narcisso Yepes
And you never know how far to the skies the Internet reaches today...
Arto
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Dear all,
BTW, who of us played lute or vihuela better in 1970's than those video
examples of Williams or Akkermann, not to speak of Bream?
Just a thought...
Arto
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gt; > Chamber Choir Utopia
> > dir. and baroque harp Andrew Lawrence-King
.
> >* Ricardo Padilla, percussion
> >* Annamari Pölhö, organ
> >* Visa Jämsä, dulcian
> >* Arto Wikla, chitarrino
> >* Timo Peedu, baroque guitar
> >* Teppo Hi
Dear "flatback lutenists",
I had time to document my New String Calculator in
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NewScalc/
The new features:
* In the old calculator you had only two possibilities for tuning the
a', only 440 Hz and 415.3 Hz. Now it is possible to choose an
Dear lutenists, vihuelists and early guitarists (and sorry for
crossposting!),
I have made a brand new version of my rather popular String Calculator
(many of you perhaps know it, see
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html)
The New String Calculator is still a test
here and
there, see my quotations of V. Galilei:
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/fronimo.html
Third: There are many less "radical" temperaments than the variations of
the mean tone temperaments. Some of them - being still unequal - allow the
use of all the 12 + 12 keys. As far as I have
Dear Monica
> I don't know whether there is still anyone on this list - but if there
> is
There are! ;-)
> perhaps they can tell me what they know about Mean Tone Temperament on
> plucked stringed instruments, especially the baroque guitar.
For background you perhaps can read the following
Pölhö, organ
* Visa Jämsä, dulcian
* Arto Wikla, chitarrino
* Timo Peedu, baroque guitar
* Teppo Hirvonen, baroque guitar
Composers: Milan, Gutiérrez de Padilla, Hidalgo, Fernandez, Ruiz de
Ribayaz y Foncea.
Arto
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On Tue, 15 Nov 2005, billkilpatrick wrote:
> scorching, arto. i took the liberty of posting your mp3 address to the
> various charango sites. complimenti - bill
Thanks Bill.
I added also my tab of the Bella Pedrina (and some other pieces) to
the page. So you can see I strum much more than
Bill might be interested in hearing the chitarrino
strumming in my arrangement of Zannetti's Bella Pedrina... ;-)
The address of the page is
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/own/
Arto
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Dear vihuelists and early guitarists,
this info has been already submitted to the lute list, but perhaps
everyone here is not reading the "main list". That is why I copy
my messages here:
In Yale, Beinecke Lib. there are some mss. online. I happened to notice
that there are also some pieces for
Dear Rob,
you wrote among other matters:
> Your comment about the bray harp (see below) is an interesting one. For
> those who are unaware, the 'bray' refers to a bit of wood on the soundboard
> of a Renaissance harp which touched the string gently. As the string was
> struck it would buzz as it
Hi (and a copy to the vihuela-list)
On Thursday 15 September 2005 01:35, you wrote:
> thank you arto, i will. i think i have a cd of his
> ... does he play harp?
He is a harpist virtuoso, but in his bands there have been also
strummers of renaissance and baroque guitars. I'll google a little,
Dear Bill,
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, bill kilpatrick wrote:
> andean. haven't a clue what rhythms might have been
> popular during the baroque period in europe (outside
> the conservatory, of course ... ) you game to try
> something from the baroque repertoire with a south
> american flavor?
>
> .
Dear Wayne and all,
I really would not like to be without the infinite - but very good
and informative! - discussion about the "bourdons and re-entrantness" of
the 5 course baroque guitar by Monica, Lex et al.! And perhaps there
will be more vihuela talk, too? Also interesting. But I think the
Hi all
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, Lex Eisenhardt wrote:
> There is Biagio Marini's op XXII. In this ensemble work of rather
> straightforward homophonic dances Marini added alfabeto. The guitar can be
> used, 'a beneplacito'. There is a modern edition by S.P.E.S. In this case
> the guitar is probably
t in case:
There is quite vast amount of music for chitarrino, renaissance 4
course guitar, "guitarra di sette corde".
If you want so see mine, take a look to
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/LutePics/Chitarrino.gif
and
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/LutePics/Arto
list, please. :)
BTW; If I have got ir right, RT seems to be kind of aracnophobic. So I
suggest him a look to one of my pets for ex. in the page
http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/Tarantula/hh0303/111-1118_IMG.html
All in all, a kind of explanation to my interest in Tarantella dances is
tha
On Monday 28 February 2005 16:39, Rob MacKillop wrote:
> Roman, you are welcome to this list. You are doubtless happy that MO
> has gone, however there are many of us who wish he had stayed.
If I had to choose between them, ..., well it is best to shut my
mouth... ;-))
Arto
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Dear "flat back lute" players... ;-)
On Thursday 24 February 2005 14:50, Edward Martin wrote:
> Perhaps the relationship between guitar & theorbo is that they are
> both used as continuo instruments.
Just a small addition:
Another thing in common is the re-entrant tuning that both intsruments
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