[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-14 Thread Mjos Larson
I'm not quite convinced. There are only 7 measures at in the third section where the bass line is significantly different between the second system (which you are proposing as a continuo part for the guitar) and and the 3rd system, the bass line part. (There are a couple of octave

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA ] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-14 Thread Monica Hall
Perhaps I should have said One doesn't I agree with you that the piece as it appears in the manuscript poses a number of problems not the least of these being the possibility that Handel wasn't sufficinetly familiar with the guitar to write a suitable part for it. I

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
--- On Sun, 10/5/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Haendel - Cantata Spagnuola To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday,

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-10 Thread Mjos Larson
Thank you David, Martyn, and Monica for your comments (and for uploading the page from the original source, Monica!) I have come across some different recordings of the piece: Veronica Cangemi (From Italy to Brazil) with the Una Stella ensemble has Philippe Spinosi on guitar. Also uses

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Indeed, hence why it's important to see the practice throughout this MS. As already said, it may be that additional melodic instrumental parts are not identified. MH --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-10 Thread Martyn Hodgson
No - I don't think odd at all - the composr would simply be pointing the exotic. No doubt like many, I would like to think this was for solo guitar (with prhps a bass instrument) but it's important to avoid wishful thinking clouding judgement. I'd still like to see what appears

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-09 Thread David van Ooijen
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Mjos Larson rockype...@earthlink.net wrote: I have been thinking to ask this group for ideas and suggestions on approaching Händel's No se emendera jamas (Cantata Spagnuola a voce sola e Chitarra) for some time. Or do do we take the subtitle literally that it

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-09 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Without having seen the original MS it's difficult to be sure if Chrysander's edition is wholly accurate, certainly his naming the two upper staves of the system as for guitar seems editorial (since he places the chittara in brackets). It would also be revealing to see if this MS

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA ] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-09 Thread Martyn Hodgson
As said, it would be revealing to see if other pieces in the MS do not always completely specify instruments and identify an accompanying melody instrument on the top line. The Baerenreiter edition may allow you to check this: - please let us know about the other pieces (is

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-09 Thread Monica Hall
Hi Rocky I can't answer all your questions but I do have a photocopy of the original manuscript source. The guitar part is in mensural notation using treble and bass clefs and seems to consist of two parts although often just the bass line. As well as the guitar part there is a separate

[VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re : [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola

2009-05-09 Thread Monica Hall
, May 09, 2009 11:41 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Re: [VIHUELA] Händel - Cantata Spagnuola As said, it would be revealing to see if other pieces in the MS do not always completely specify instruments and identify an accompanying melody instrument on the top line