Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-03 Thread Michel Jullian
I will only comment when you'll have released the power consumed by the 100kg lifter ;-) Michel - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame Harry Veeder

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi Stephen, When you say Aether Physics model, do you mean aether as in luminiferous aether, the hypothetical medium in which electromagnetic waves propagate? When I say Aether Physics Model, I mean a fluid-dynamic-quantum Aether, just as it is explained in the paper. If so, how you do you

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi John, For instance how electricity works is a theory, how magnets work is a theory, how gravity works is a theory. But that something we call electricity exists is not a theory, that magnetism exists is not a theory, that gravity exists is not a theory. There is a difference between

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi John, You're just as guilty as those you accuse. I have presented a fully quantified alternative physics theory, which predicts exactly what you claim ought to be possible. Not quite sure what I'm meant to be guilty of, this is the first I have heard of your theory. But what good is a

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi John, Ok, that didn't take long. I am after skimming (very lightly) the 3 links unsure what experiments your theory is based on. I am also not sure it said anything about how to make a simple device to output free energy or create (so-called) antigravity. Does it explain the vast

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
I will let you have the last shot; I won't be replying on this topic in this mailing list after this message. John Berry wrote: On 3/3/07, *Stephen A. Lawrence* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Berry wrote: It is the only possible model as SR is illogical

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thank you for the civil and cogent reply; I'll dig through it and respond in detail later this weekend; don't have time right now. I also don't have time to dig into your paper right now, but will tackle that later also. I'm actually interested in alternative theories of this-and-that, and

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-03-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Nick Palmer wrote: From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old rocks out of our head message:- Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't possible trumps the evidence I'll never know Quite so. Tell Paul... Paul

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi Stephen, (It just sets my teeth on edge when someone opens a discussion of this sort with a blanket assertion that SR is internally inconsistent, which, thankfully, you didn't do.) The Aether Physics Model stands on its own. It is not necessary for me to trash SR by pointing out its major

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
David Thomson wrote: Hi Stephen, (It just sets my teeth on edge when someone opens a discussion of this sort with a blanket assertion that SR is internally inconsistent, which, thankfully, you didn't do.) The Aether Physics Model stands on its own. It is not necessary for me to trash SR

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-03-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Some would say that's passive aggressive Stephen A. Lawrence. Just a little bit of an ad hominem? I guess some means you, eh? Yes, I think you are passive aggressive. I think you have a negative interpretation to my statements. I am very direct and address

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-03-03 Thread Michel Jullian
Paul stop antagonizing people it's not fun any more. Michel - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Some would say that's passive aggressive

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-03-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: Paul stop antagonizing people it's not fun any more. Michel, could you please stop the personal stuff. What gives you the right to post a personal statement as above while I do not have the right? I will debate anyone on this matter in private. You think you are

Re: [Vo]: Quantum Thermodynamics

2007-03-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Nick Palmer wrote: From John Berry's we can do what ever we want if we just get the old rocks out of our head message:- Why people think their preconcieved notions of what is and isn't possible trumps the evidence I'll

[Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis

2007-03-03 Thread Jones Beene
This is the only valid scientific way that I know of, to use ambient or environmental heat, to achieve (arguable) overunity. Any school kid can do this on a very small scale (few bubbles), but if you are only looking simply for a single example for that contention, for whatever purposes - then

RE: [Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis

2007-03-03 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones; Nice, but I personally do not feel that the issue is that of OU H2 production to seal a Hydrogen fueled environment. I have stated on vortex before that the problem is not in getting the Hydrogen (nullifying Faraday), but what do you do with it when you get it? I will stick my big fat

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi Stephen, On the other hand, the Aether Physics Model solidly backs General Relativity. Say what?? SR is a subset of GR -- it is exactly equal to general relativity in the absence of mass (flat background space). Say what?? GR was derived completely independent of SR. The link to SR

Re: [Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis

2007-03-03 Thread Jones Beene
Ron, but lets assume I can provide Hydrogen from water in excess of COP1. Now what are we going to do with it where the conversion does not eat up this gain? ICE engine is out! I may have to disagree on this point, as I am optimistically looking for continued advances on several fronts.

RE: [Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis

2007-03-03 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Yes and no. I will not state a COP figure, but you are a pretty good man on guesses ;-). okay I'm being a bit mean, you are close to factual. Is not my point proven? We have the cart before the horse so to speak? If someone were to present a technology that would offer what we are talking about

[Vo]: Loop closed? (was Re: [Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-03 Thread Michel Jullian
Jones, your musings prompted the following idea here: 1/ There exist well known mechanical-to-heat converters with a COP3, namely heat pumps used for heating purposes sucking the heat from ambient air: you get 3 to 4 times more heat out than the energy you have put in (probably much more since

Re: [Vo]: Aliens Claim Sir Branson's Prize

2007-03-03 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:02:39 -0500: Hi, [snip] Terry Blanton wrote: http://physorg.com/news91888237.html UFO science key to halting climate change: former Canadian defense minister A former Canadian defense minister is demanding governments

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: [Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-03 Thread Michel Jullian
I can't believe they let my post through, I KNEW it was a good idea to post it during a total lunar eclipse! As many as possible of you guys please let me know if you received it too, let they know the free energy revolution is on the march! Michel - Original Message - From: Michel

[Vo]: Re: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: [Vo]: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-03 Thread Michel Jullian
Oh I remember now, Jones doesn't get my posts for some reason. But surely others got them? Robin? Anyone? Or wait, did they... did YOU send the two posts back to me only Michel - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, March

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread John Berry
On 3/4/07, David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, Ok, that didn't take long. I am after skimming (very lightly) the 3 links unsure what experiments your theory is based on. I am also not sure it said anything about how to make a simple device to output free energy or create

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-03 Thread Michel Jullian
OK, if the MIBs didn't intercept my posts which they probably didn't (no one has knocked at my door yet), it must be that my scheme was simply not clear enough to provoke feedback. I'll try and make it clearer through a practical embodiment: Say we have an insulated hot water reservoir,

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread David Thomson
Hi John, I have a list of Yes/No questions at the bottom if you could please take 1 minute to answer them. We agree that there is a fluid aether which is matter entrained and apparently on some other points too, I have the experimental side, you have the model covered so let's make an effort

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread John Berry
On 3/4/07, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will let you have the last shot; I won't be replying on this topic in this mailing list after this message. Fine with me, but you'd better read what I wrote as it took too long to type to be ignored. John Berry wrote: On 3/3/07,

Re: [Vo]: Challenge for Jed, and any other unsure.

2007-03-03 Thread Standing Bear
On Friday 23 February 2007 03:11, thomas malloy wrote: Zell, Chris wrote: What conspiracy fans miss is that if all their theories are correct, it's all futile and irrelevant. How so? In the first hour of C to C AM last night Alex Jones of infowars and prisonplanet.com was interviewed.

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
I have some issues with some of the things you say about relativity here. David Thomson wrote: Hi Stephen, On the other hand, the Aether Physics Model solidly backs General Relativity. Say what?? SR is a subset of GR -- it is exactly equal to general relativity in the absence of mass

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
John Berry wrote: On 3/4/07, *Stephen A. Lawrence* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will let you have the last shot; I won't be replying on this topic in this mailing list after this message. Fine with me, but you'd better read what I wrote as it took too

[Vo]: To Paul Lowrance

2007-03-03 Thread thomas malloy
Paul Lowrance posted; Please let me know if you ever want to debate the idea that your passive aggressive ways of life is better than my direct ways of life. Correct me if I'm wrong Paul, but you seem to believe that it is possible to reverse the 2nd Law with an electromagnetic machine.

[Vo]: The Hawkins interview

2007-03-03 Thread thomas malloy
Vortexians; Last night's guest on C to C AM was David Hawkins the author of http://www.hawkscafe.com . Those of you who hold to the idea that 9/11 was a conspiracy will love his site. Mr. Hawkins bills himself as a forensic economist, and you have heard the truism, follow the money. If what