Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-01 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote > > >Harry Veeder wrote: > > >Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It >is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations. > > >Good point. That's why these physics were not discovered until Newton, and why >it took a gen

Re: [Vo]:Kimbler's Parts

2011-08-01 Thread Charles Hope
Was going to blog about this tonight. The punchline is that, contrary to the graph, the isotopic composition is very terrestrial. Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 1, 2011, at 13:37, Terry Blanton wrote: > Like Art's Parts, these artifacts of the Roswell crash show isotopic > anomalies: > > htt

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - > From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:39:36 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga > > However, despite my lack of funding & no shop issues, what makes me > seriously d

Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > . . .perhaps eccentricity and cynicism may not mix very well. > > > > My two cents. :-) Eccentricity and cynicism . . . two scents! T

RE: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Jed, > I don't know what it is with people, pointing in triumph > to something that everyone knows, and no one disputes, as > if they are revealing some deep secret. I realize you are probably expressing this out of a sense of exasperation. What interests me is that when someone

[Vo]:Heat engine & steam question

2011-08-01 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
HI, If you have very hot dry steam but at atmospheric pressure, what are the options to convert that thermal energy into rotary energy? Stirling engine? Steam compressor? I know that most power plants use about 900°C and about 1000 PSI to run the turbines, but what if you just don't have

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:39 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > My initial interest was strongly biased towards speculating on whether > an asymmetry might begin to manifest in "Alsetalokin's" ROTOR/STATOR > configuration if everything could be carefully choreographed with a > customized g

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Terry: > Well, Clanzer, and others, built exact replicas to no avail. > I would not advise you to follow suit. I wasn't planning on it. My initial interest was strongly biased towards speculating on whether an asymmetry might begin to manifest in "Alsetalokin's" ROTOR/STATOR configuration

Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks

2011-08-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
I have not had a chance to read the Krivit newsletter yet, but I agree with Fletcher's comments here. He wrote: > > Last year Rossi and Focardi claimed an energy gain of 213 times. This > year, Rossi downgraded that to six. > > But now he's claiming self-sustaining mode below 200 C. "This month,

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > As for me, I'm tapped out cash wise. ... the garage is a mess, too. Well, Clanzer, and others, built exact replicas to no avail. I would not advise you to follow suit. T

Re: [Vo]:Fw: Krivit Snarks

2011-08-01 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I've read the whole thing a couple of times, and been through the appendices once. I'm still struck by Krivit's overall snarkiness -- and also he's ignoring recent Rossi claims. I'm not commenting on ANY of the steam-quality issues. > Last year Rossi and Focardi claimed an energy gain of 213 tim

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
> The thing that bugged me about the whipmag saga was that Al did > say, quietly, offhandedly, that no laws of physics were being > broken, but made the demo look as convincing as he could. Yes. Sounds like you were there for the whole stinking show. I have followed his posts on the Steorn forum

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Michele Comitini
Now some fun with cheap psychology ;-) To explain some of Rossi's tactics look in his bio: he was a really strong long distance runner. "Andrea Rossi spent at least 8 hours a day studying and playing sports (athletics, Italian champion of road race in 1970, in 1969 the junior world record of 24

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Oh, I see, only about Krivit's test. But I thought you'd like to go visit Rossi even before that test. Let me explain, briefly. Rossi invited me for a demonstration. We discussed what it would consist of. I suggested he use a shorter hose and a bucket to sparge the steam

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread vorl bek
> From Terrry: > > > The consensus at the time was it was driven with a > > compressed air nozzle. Al spun the small gear several times before he was able to get the device to start. Could the 'failed' attempts have been a cover for winding a spring? The thing that bugged me about the whipmag sa

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Terrry: > The consensus at the time was it was driven with a > compressed air nozzle. A reasonably educated guess. Nevertheless, I'm not yet ready to throw in the towel. (Or perhaps I'm not finished obsessing over... I mean amusing myself over the "Alsetalokin" matter.) ;-) The original "

Re: [Vo]:Kimbler's Parts

2011-08-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Oh, dear. That went over the top. So John Smith took a sojourn on one of the Longer Boats, I assume...? I have an awful lot of trouble getting my disbelief sufficiently suspended to deal with aliens who take people away, stick things in them, and then put them back, even if Cat Stevens did ex

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Makes "no sense" is a word too strong. It makes no sense to me! > I guess you are leaning to think he is a crank. I don't like the word "crank." He is one of the most eccentric people I know, and I know many eccentric people. (Come to think of it, a "crank" in the liter

Re: [Vo]:Kimbler's Parts

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Cool! > > Terry, can you give a link to something on the Art's Parts isotopic > anomalies? > > And do you know if the isotope shifts were the same or similar in the stuff > Kimbler found? How about one on alien implant isotopic anomalie

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
Yeah, Rossi might even be a scammer, but Krivit made a very weak argument there and it gives me doubts about the reliability of his report. I've had neighbors whose (small) companies' offices were their own apartment.

Re: [Vo]:Kimbler's Parts

2011-08-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Cool! Terry, can you give a link to something on the Art's Parts isotopic anomalies? And do you know if the isotope shifts were the same or similar in the stuff Kimbler found? On 11-08-01 01:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Like Art's Parts, these artifacts of the Roswell crash show isotopic an

[Vo]:More from Rossi : Hi-T Steam, Cooling, Warranty

2011-08-01 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Andrea Rossi July 31st, 2011 at 5:36 PM Dear Rick Gresham: We can reach 500 Celsius, but in a very instable mode. The lower is the T, the higher the stability. At the moment, to turn off the input power, we must make steam at 100.1-101 Celsius; above this limit we need the drive, we are able t

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Michele Comitini
LOL I remember reading in JONP that he stated that the factory was way off from the leonardocorp office... indeed he may be welding his reactors in the garage under that building. mic 2011/8/1 Andrea Selva : > Michele, if you look at this > page http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705rep

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Andrea Selva wrote: > Michele, if you look at this > page http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml scrolling > down just past 50% you can see a note and a picture of the factory location The address is from the state of Florida's records of the h

[Vo]:Kimbler's Parts

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
Like Art's Parts, these artifacts of the Roswell crash show isotopic anomalies: http://www.openminds.tv/test-confirms-roswell-debris-733/ We had always planned to check small animal lairs if we ever had a chance to visit the crash site. T

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OK, not literally LOL, but that photo certainly got a chuckle out of me. The Florida factory and Rossi's factory which was heated for two years with a Rossi amplifier (and then sold before anyone else got to see it) seem to me to share some significant characteristics. Oh, and the isotope-shi

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Andrea Selva
Michele, if you look at this page http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/3705report3.shtml scrolling down just past 50% you can see a note and a picture of the factory location :) andrea 2011/8/1 Michele Comitini > Does anyone know where the Florida factory is located? He would > respond th

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:35 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > That may be so, but OC's "dream" variation is, IMO, categorically > different than what "Alsetalokin's" original configuration appears to > show. IMHO, OC "dream", specifically the dynamic animation displayed > out at the web

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Michele sez: > Does anyone know where the Florida factory is located? > He would respond that he does not want anyone to know... > this man must be a secret agent,  I even wonder if *he* > is real... ;-) I don't know if Michele was being serious about the "secret agent" bit or not. The little smi

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Terry: > Actually, the animation is per OC's idea which came to him in a dream. >  The whipmag was a variation on the dream. That may be so, but OC's "dream" variation is, IMO, categorically different than what "Alsetalokin's" original configuration appears to show. IMHO, OC "dream", specif

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:36 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Regarding the animated graphic purporting to represent the "whipMag" > configuration in action, as shown out at: > > http://www.overunity.org.uk/cmps_index.php?pageid=whipmag1 > > this animation appears (to me) to have been a

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Michele Comitini
Does anyone know where the Florida factory is located? He would respond that he does not want anyone to know... this man must be a secret agent, I even wonder if *he* is real... ;-) mic 2011/8/1 Jed Rothwell : > Andrea Selva wrote: > >> Another question. If his facility in Florida is plenty of

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
Makes "no sense" is a word too strong. I guess you are leaning to think he is a crank. Well, if you Jed, throw in the towel, I will do it too, since you are a huge fan and supporter of LENR for over 20 years.

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrea Selva wrote: Another question. If his facility in Florida is plenty of fine working devices, why bring people up to Italy just to see one ? Wouldn't be better to arrange demos next to the factory ? You would think so. I have no idea why he only invites people to Italy. I can go to Flo

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Andrea Selva
Another question. If his facility in Florida is plenty of fine working devices, why bring people up to Italy just to see one ? Wouldn't be better to arrange demos next to the factory ? 2011/8/1 Jed Rothwell > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > >> "Anyway, the demonstration was unclear and there is not mu

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry, Some follow-up comments. > The present belief is that the whipmag was a hoax which got > way out of hand when the vid went viral. Al removed the vid > but it got copied by others. OC has since passed away and > Al seems to regret the whole incident from what little he > will say. Consid

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Stephen, > Please note that physics simulation packages are going to be based on > physical law, as currently understood, and the "conventional" E&M model of > magnetism is conservative.  As a result, the assumption of conservative > behavior is built into the modeling package. > > Consequen

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
Oh, I see, only about Krivit's test. But I thought you'd like to go visit Rossi even before that test.

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: > "Anyway, the demonstration was unclear and there is not much point to > trying to analyze it in detail. I cannot understand why Rossi does not do a > more convincing test." > > Oh, Jed, now even you are doubting! > Sure. I have said this all along regarding the Krivit test

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Daniel Rocha
"Anyway, the demonstration was unclear and there is not much point to trying to analyze it in detail. I cannot understand why Rossi does not do a more convincing test." Oh, Jed, now even you are doubting!

Re: [Vo]:Fw: New Energy Times #37 and Rossi Report #3

2011-08-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > That's ~500 J/s. The flow rate is 2 g/s which takes 180 J to bring to boil, > leaving 320 J, which is enough to boil about half the water. The other half > would have to overflow unboiled. For the reasons given by Storms and me I > think this is unlikely. > That's wrong. I did not mea

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-07-31 10:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Upon closer inspection, this counter-intuitive configuration is actually less bizarre to comprehend to those (such as me) who have studied magnetic characteristics, and who have performed countless Finite Element Method Magnetic

Re: [Vo]:Revisiting The "Whipmag" All-Magnet Motor, saga

2011-08-01 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Back around 2008 I gather someone who went by the name of "Alsetalokin" > (that's Nicola Tesla spelled backwards) brought an unusual magnetic motor > configuration to the public domain's attention. He got the idea fro

Re: [Vo]:REMOVED: Damon Craig on vortexB-L only

2011-08-01 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Thank you, Bill! That was a good move IMO, which should certainly improve the atmosphere here. On 11-08-01 02:11 AM, William Beaty wrote: Removed for repeated flagrant violation of Rule #2 "No Sneering." See:

[Vo]:WTF: The Easiest 100% FREE Electricity...Build It In Less Than An Hour!

2011-08-01 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
WTF! I really makes me sad that there are people trying to rip people off in this way. :(. No idea where they got my email address from. Joe Begin forwarded message: > From: Maurice Brown > Subject: The Easiest 100% FREE Electricity...Build It In Less Than An Hour! > Date: 1 August 2011 11:35: