Re: [Vo]:Analysis by Bob Higgins

On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Hi Horace, Sorry! I didn't mean to be a pest, You are not a pest! but I didn't even get an ACK that indicated you had seen my post Here you mean the following I assume? Look at all the pictures of the heat-spreader inside the E

Re: [Vo]:Analysis by Bob Higgins

SLight correction made at end On Oct 13, 2011, at 8:15 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Hi Horace, Sorry! I didn't mean to be a pest, You are not a pest! but I didn't even get an ACK that indicated you had seen my post Here you mean the following I assume? Look at all the pictures of

[Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

This photo by Mats Lewan of Nyteknik of the 6 Oct Rossi Tout thermocouple leaves little doubt in my mind that the Tout thermocouple can and probably did extend beyond the steel nut, toward the brass manifold. It was thus subject to the air temperature near that manifold. http://www.mtaonl

[Vo]:Rossi: Thermal crosstalk at heatexchanger?

I condensed my thoughts about this into a Youtube video: http://youtu.be/mSyeJa7a3AE Explanation in technical terms: == Primary steam inlet and secondary (warm) water outlet are in direct thermal contact via the brass tube. Because thermal flow behaves like electrical curr

Re: [Vo]:Rossi: Thermal crosstalk at heatexchanger?

On Oct 14, 2011, at 2:39 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: I condensed my thoughts about this into a Youtube video: http://youtu.be/mSyeJa7a3AE Explanation in technical terms: == Primary steam inlet and secondary (warm) water outlet are in direct thermal contact via t

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

A fraudster (i.e. Rossi) could have yanked on that thermocouple just before opening up the insulation wrapping making it fraudulently appear that the thermocouple was close to the exit of the secondary cooling water when in fact it was close to the hot steam input side of that brass manifold during

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Jeff Driscoll wrote: A fraudster (i.e. Rossi) could have yanked on that thermocouple just before opening up the insulation wrapping making it fraudulently appear that the thermocouple was close to the exit of the secondary cooling water when in fact it was close to the hot steam input side of

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

>From Mr. Driscoll, > Rossi has done test after test poorly... Indeed, there are many will agree with this observation. > ...for a reason - when will people understand this? What needs to be understood is indeed the 64 trillion dollar question - or perhaps 64 cents. Take your pick. What I've n

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: >From hence forth they tend to advertise only the observations that > support the premise that Rossi is a "fraudster." Observations that may > suggest Rossi's work might actually possess merit are conveniently > ignored and/or glossed over. > In this case, th

RE: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

In this case, the skeptics are ignoring the fact that the heat increased during heat after death, instead of declining according to Newton's law. This proves they are wrong. I have not seen a response from any of them trying to explain this fact. Steve Krivit was so anxious to gloss o

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Am 14.10.2011 16:56, schrieb Jed Rothwell: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > wrote: From hence forth they tend to advertise only the observations that support the premise that Rossi is a "fraudster." Observations that may suggest Rossi's work might actu

RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT

The sad thing about the conflict between DGT and Rossi is that even if they BOTH had all the resources necessary to mass produce the E-Cat, if they shared their knowledge with each other, the demand is so great that they BOTH could run the manufacturing plants 24/7 and make billions... there is

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Well, as the skeptical chorus within Vortex-L increases in number, thoroughness, and competence, rapidly evolving a substantial consensus, I seem to be inadvertently getting lost in the back row -- as a pragmatic skeptic, I better hasten to volunteer that I think that Defkalion has either had no ac

RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT

Even sadder for Greece - their nickel deposits could cure their bankrupt economy -Original Message- From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos S

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Peter Heckert wrote: > In this case, the skeptics are ignoring the fact that the heat increased > during heat after death, instead of declining according to Newton's law. > This proves they are wrong. I have not seen a response from any of them > trying to explain this fact. > > This is not igno

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Don't bury Einstein yet: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20957-dimensionhop-may-allow-neutrinos-to-cheat-light-speed.html > > "Sher also mentions a third option: that the measurement is correct. > Some theories posit that there are

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Robert Leguillon wrote: > Please provide a specific example of the heat increase during > "Heat-After-Death." You have been asked multiple times for this . . . > I have pointed it out multiple times. The temperature continues rising after the power is cut off at 15:50. It rises again peaking

RE: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

As I recall, at the same time the hydrogen was discharged, the water flow rate was increased - basically being doubled. This caused short term stored energy (hot water) to be pushed out of the E-cat output and then measured in the heat exchanger. If you look at the reactor temperature, it begi

Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT

Roarty, Francis X wrote: > Even sadder for Greece - their nickel deposits > could cure their bankrupt economy > This certainly off topic, but Greece economy would not be cured, because mining is capital intensive production and thus it does not help much the sick market economy of Greece. There s

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Higgins Bob-CBH003 wrote: ** ** > > As I recall, at the same time the hydrogen was discharged, the water flow > rate was increased – basically being doubled. This caused short term > stored energy (hot water) to be pushed out of the E-cat output and then > measured in the heat exchanger. > No d

[Vo]:manifold thermal model

I've put up a couple of sketches to explain Horace's/my resistor thermal model Detailed manifold schematic -- but the thermocouple isn't on THAT nut. http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_manifold_001_h1200.jpg http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_pics/111014_manifold_001.jpg A) A rough diagram of the manifold,

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

I wrote: > 19:08 Delta T 8.2°C. Hydrogen discharged, degassing of powder begins, > primary circuit flow rate increased. It is unclear whether this temperature > was recorded before these actions or after them. > Oops. I read that wrong. That Delta T is from 19:22. There was no reading at 19:08.

[Vo]:Re: manifold thermal model

CORRECTION -- wrong link for 2nd diagram At 11:08 AM 10/14/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I've put up a couple of sketches to explain Horace's/my resistor thermal model Detailed manifold schematic -- but the thermocouple isn't on THAT nut. http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_manifold_001_h1200.jpg http

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

The GPS device corrects for this error. In fact, this is the first source of error accounted by the device: http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-112516142975720/unrestricted/ch7.pdf Either all GPS devices they used were broken or the result is just a coincidence. 2011/10/14 Terry Blan

Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT

Jouni Valkonen wrote: This certainly off topic, but Greece economy would not be cured, because mining is capital intensive production and thus it does not help much the sick market economy of Greece. Yes. Mineral wealth is a curse. Places like Saudi Arabia and Texas end up with dysfunctional

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

This is rather interesting, because if true, it would be the first real test that could give a positive verification for the special theory of relativity. That is because the speed of the orbiting clock should not depend on relative speed of the clock, but intrinsic speed, if special relativity is

[Vo]:New Bob Higgins diagram

Bob Higgins sent me a higher-resolution diagram which I'm hosting at : http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_pics/Rossi27kwReactorDiagram_lg.png The T2 probe length has been increased to reflect recent discussions. ps If anyone needs image hosting, I've got plenty of storage. Just send me a pic and I'll

[Vo]:Re: manifold thermal model HERE

The vortex mailer truncated the changed link in the message. Sorry --- I'll re-send the whole thing: I've put up a couple of sketches to explain Horace's/my resistor thermal model Detailed manifold schematic -- but the thermocouple isn't on THAT nut. http://lenr.qumbu.com/111010_manifold_001_

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

Kind of nutty, too. See: "Steve Wozniak is first in line for iPhone 4S" http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/13/tech/mobile/woz-iphone-4s/index.html He drove over on his Segway and spent hours on line, even though, "Wozniak acknowledged that he could have easily made one phone call to Apple and gotten the

Re: [Vo]:Re: manifold thermal model HERE

If anyone can get some reasonable dimensions for the components involved I can do a solid model finite element analysis to figure out the relative temperature split. It is really perturbing that the initial temperature measurements up to about 11:50 have a 4.3°C temperature difference between the

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

OMG -- of course! You can't synchronize (all) clocks on the Earth's surface -- it's a rotating frame, and Sagnac comes around and bites you on the bumm if you try! Yet by using the GPS satellite signals, which are available everywhere, they were doing essentially that: using a "universal" tim

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

Greetings Vortex, A MUST read is I- Woz by Steve Wozniak.amazing..yet true. Repsectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Kind of nutty, too. See: > > "Steve Wozniak is first in line for iPhone 4S" > > http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/13/tech/mobile/woz-

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

As far as I know, each GPS device sycs with several different satellites, or clocks, at least 3, and also corrections for gravitational effects from general relativity. 2011/10/14 Stephen A. Lawrence > OMG -- of course! You can't synchronize (all) clocks on the Earth's > surface -- it's a rotat

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

Regarding gravitational time dilation. Since gravitational acceleration is countered exactly by centripetal acceleration I can not see why it should be included in the pdf you refer to. David On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > The GPS device corrects for this error. In fact,

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

On 11-10-14 02:53 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: As far as I know, each GPS device sycs with several different satellites, or clocks, at least 3, and also corrections for gravitational effects from general relativity. That's not the point. The GPS system could be absolutely perfect and the proble

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

Almost no GPS straight are under the satellite's orbit, so the signal paths are distorted non linearly. The cancellation happens in the frame of the satellite. -- Forwarded message -- From: David Jonsson Date: 2011/10/14 Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

They do take account of that. -- Forwarded message -- From: Stephen A. Lawrence Date: 2011/10/14 Subject: Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light To: vortex-l@eskimo.com ** On 11-10-14 02:53 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: As far as I know, each GPS devic

Re: [Vo]:Re: manifold thermal model HERE

Robert Lynn wrote: It is really perturbing that the initial temperature measurements up to about 11:50 have a 4.3°C temperature difference between the inlet and outlet of the secondary, and even at max power it only rises to about 7.2°C - obviously a huge temperature error, which in itself and

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

The amount of thinking and detailed engineering detective work that some of our most esteemed members have put forward to makeup for Rossi's ill defined test plan is truly awe inspiring. But my eyes glaze over when I try to get to the heart of the proof of principle that the demo was suppose to c

Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT

Understanding the underlying economics of how many consumer products (like the iPad) are manufactured is going to be a difficult and soul-searching process for most Americans. This probably goes for the entire developed world as well. As is becoming obvious to most of us that care to dig a little

Re: [Vo]:Thermocouple extends beyond steel nut?

Axil Axil wrote: A demo must be rehearsed and gone over and over again until it is completely debugged and perfect. Exactly right! Rossi does not yet get this simple principle because he uses these demos as on-the-fly design and unit testing tools. He has no respect for his audience. He

Re: [Vo]:Re: manifold thermal model HERE

At 11:49 AM 10/14/2011, Robert Lynn wrote: If anyone can get some reasonable dimensions for the components involved I can do a solid model finite element analysis to figure out the relative temperature split. Why not start with a simple brass tube 20 cm long total, with a wall thickness of 1

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

If they accounted for that, and if the GPS receivers accounted for relative motion to the GPS satellites, such that the observer hanging in space would see all GPS receivers showing the same time, then well ... I don't see how you can blame the GPS system for it, after all. H. I didn

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

On 11-09-26 01:56 AM, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: On 23 Sep 2011, at 20:46, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-09-23 03:30 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: From first principles if one starts with the notion that everyone should see light as travelling at the same speed, then a simple derivati

Re: [Vo]:Computer World: "An overnight revolution" discusses Rossi & Co.

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=2419105C-1A64-67EA-E4564591D0CF1371 Boy there are a lot of typos and mistakes in that article. It says "bits bytes"; it has F&P in 1998; and it claims they were never replicated. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

Looks like he needs to lose the Segway. T

[Vo]:Pictures/Videos on Focus.it

Some more pictures (by Massimo Brega - Focus/Focus.it) and videos put Raymond Zreick to take a look at. Videos too. short: http://goo.gl/MyIhH long: http://www.focus.it/fileflash/energia/fusioneFredda/ecat/anteprime/index.html IMHO I wish they had used one of those SD flash cards used for the c

Re: [Vo]:Pictures/Videos on Focus.it

I predict that this information will make people post more than 2 posts on the interwebs. 2011/10/14 Michele Comitini > Some more pictures (by Massimo Brega - Focus/Focus.it) and videos put > Raymond Zreick to take a look at. Videos too. > > short: http://goo.gl/MyIhH > long: > http://www.focus

Re: [Vo]:Pictures/Videos on Focus.it

this video would be interesting if it were in higher resolution short: http://goo.gl/SZStp long: http://www.focus.it/fileflash/energia/fusioneFredda/ecat/anteprime/original/MVI_0001.html mic 2011/10/14 Daniel Rocha : > I predict that this information will make people post more than 2 posts on >

Re: [Vo]: SECOND INCOMES ARE A SOLUTION!

The late Louis Kelso recognized this problem many years ago. In addition to his widely known Employee Stock Ownerhship Plan, utilized by about 11,000 companies, he advocated a Second Income Plan. The latest incarnation is a Capital Homestead Act. See SECOND INCOMES FOR ALL, at www.aesopinsti

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

let the man be excited by the things he considers exciting and interesting. i wouldn't mind having a bit of a chat with siri myself, being a 3gs user. On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Kind of nutty, too. See: > "Steve Wozniak is first in line for iPhone 4S" > Why? Because h

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

Siri in "action" http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/ On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote: > let the man be excited by the things he considers exciting and interesting. > i wouldn't mind having a bit of a chat with siri myself, being a 3gs user. > > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:48 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Pictures/Videos on Focus.it

On 2011-10-14 23:00, Michele Comitini wrote: this video would be interesting if it were in higher resolution If you zoom the page with your browser's zoom controls (usually CTRL + "+") you will see that the video has a larger resolution than it would seem. Even better, you could inspect the

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

Hi, On 14-10-2011 21:04, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The point is they're using a time value which is "universal". An observer hanging in space, stationary, directly over the pole, looking down at GPS receivers all over the Earth would see that, at a given moment, they /all showed the same ti

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

On 11-10-14 05:58 PM, Man on Bridges wrote: Hi, On 14-10-2011 21:04, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: The point is they're using a time value which is "universal". An observer hanging in space, stationary, directly over the pole, looking down at GPS receivers all over the Earth would see that,

[Vo]:Columbus blamed for Little Ice Age

"By sailing to the New World, Christopher Columbus and the other explorers who followed may have set off a chain of events that cooled Europe’s climate for centuries." short: http://goo.gl/Gl82A long: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/335168/title/Columbus_blamed_for_Little_Ice_Age mic

Re: [Vo]:Columbus blamed for Little Ice Age

“There’s nothing else happening in the rest of the world at this time, in terms of human land use, that could explain this rapid carbon uptake,” says Jed Kaplan, an earth systems scientist at the Federal Polytechnic School of Lausanne in Switzerland. Note the phrase "in terms of human land use.

[Vo]:Forcardi in a Bologna TED event

Forcardi in a Bologna TED event. http://www.tedxbologna.com/en/15-ottobre-2011-incontro-al-futuro/sergio-focardi/ Harry

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

If one use special relativity to sychronize clocks than the idea of absolute time is neither obselete nor erroneous. Harry On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > > This is rather interesting, because if true, it would be the first real test > that could give a positive verifi

Re: [Vo]:Forcardi in a Bologna TED event

Forcardi wanted his time in the sun before he passed forever from the seen. He is starting to get some of the attention he thinks he richly deserves. This need for notoriety about developing the technology of the millennium is what motivated Forcardi to bug Rossi to stage the first e-cat demo. On

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

It doesn't matter that there is no sensible result on Earth. Universal time is an idea. It is not something you can know through your senses. Clocks don't comprehend the concept of universal time. They are just instruments for measuring (universal) time whose tick-rate is subject to various physica

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: >> Using clocks in another frame (the GPS clocks) to synchronize the clocks in >> the rotating frame (on the surface of the earth) just adds confusion, it >> doesn't avoid the problem, which is fundamental.  In particular, if you syn

Re: [Vo]:Columbus blamed for Little Ice Age

In reply to Michele Comitini's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 01:05:38 +0200: Hi, [snip] >"By sailing to the New World, Christopher Columbus and the other >explorers who followed may have set off a chain of events that cooled >Europe’s climate for centuries." > >short: http://goo.gl/Gl82A > >long: >

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

On 11-10-14 09:44 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Using clocks in another frame (the GPS clocks) to synchronize the clocks in the rotating frame (on the surface of the earth) just adds confusion, it doesn't avoid the problem, which is fundam

Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT

I'm sorry, but how does Stremmenos' letter ruin Rossi's chances of obtaining damages? Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 13, 2011, at 15:42, "Jones Beene" wrote: > Thanks, Akira ... More drama indeed! Move over, James Bond there is new > poker-faced gambler in town. > > This is looking almost like

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Sure, but if you then assume that it's isotropic, without measuring it, and > you're working with coordinates in which it's not, you'll get wrong answers. It might be neither isotropic nor homogeneous. We won't know until we can to

Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

It is like trying to eat correctly in the presence of the Queen. How should I hold that 'spoon' and when should I use it? Harry On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > >> Sure, but if you then assume that it's isot

[Vo]:Major Update to "Rossi 6 Oct 2011 Experiment Data Review "

My review at: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rossi6Oct2011Review.pdf has been very substantially updated. The most important update is inclusion of the following section: SAMPLE SPREADSHEET INCORPORATING POWER ADJUSTMENT FACTOR A sample spreadsheet incorporating flow rates based on wate