Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

The jocular way in which the CF pros and cons joust reminds me of the old story about the commedians' club that met monthly for a hearty meal and joke sharing, until after a few years they had all their jokes numbered, so they could just call out the number to reap some laughter... a guest watched

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

Oops. Forgot about the big bang did we? It is amazing that based on a few 100 years of observations by one species, on one planet, on the outer rim of one galaxy of billions in the known universe that a semi salient entity would make that statement. Had you said that 1,000,000 years in the futu

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

Abraham H. Maslow (1962), *Toward a Psychology of Being*: *I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail.* On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > >> ** >>

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > MY wrote: > > > >I know of no properly demonstrated violation of Lenz law. Such a > violation would also violate COE and >Newton 3. That's rather unlikely, at > least on any macro scale for any appreciable time period -- or the > >universe

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

I have kept Park informed about the Rossi story for, say the first 3 months see papers about Skeptics on my blog. He did not answer after a while. He is not living in an ivory tower so he must know- but perhaps cannot decide what to do with the story. It is difficult to dismiss or to accept Rossi c

Re: [Vo]:Acceleration Under Load

MY wrote: >I know of no properly demonstrated violation of Lenz law. Such a violation >would also violate COE and >Newton 3. That's rather unlikely, at least on any >macro scale for any appreciable time period -- or the >universe would not be >the way we see it. Are you trying to convince m

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On Dec 15, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The only metric that matters is moola. A memorable phrase with catchy alliteration. Many applications too. 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Was Technetium ever detected in LENR experiments?

On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium Technetium ( /tɛkˈniːʃiəm/ tek-nee-shee-əm) is the chemical element with atomic number 43 and symbol Tc. It is the lowest atomic number element without any stable isotopes; every form of it is radioa

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > ** > > Were those experiments done *before* or *after* onset of rigor mortis? > Fresh cadavers-- and it was quite a while ago for the study I remember. As to MRI and CT studies of the same phenomenon, I'm pretty sure they've been done

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On 11-12-15 08:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: Charles Hope mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com>> wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properl

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

I don't follow. Sorry if the neutrinos results are true we need to admit the violation of Lorentz-invariance is possible. How your creation of strong artificial fields would do that? How neutrinos accomplish the same? Can you explain? Giovanni On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > You'd better hope it's not, says the water in my toilet, the water in the > sewers, the water exposed to toxic metals in mines, and the water used to > clean slaughter houses, after accidents, in mortuaries and infectious > disease labs... d

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On 16 December 2011 04:15, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > I don't see how switching to Lorentz theory would help to make a massive > body going faster than light. I am sorry if you have trouble with the eye sight. This why it is more important to ask, why we have such a cosmic speed limit. Special

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Dec 15, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 10:45 AM 12/15/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: Just to be clear, no one is talking about heating the outside box metal envelope. My focus is entirely the inside box, the 30 cm x 30 cm x 30 cm inside box, the insides of which no one has s

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

You have to assume something funny about the mass of the neutrino no matter what even in Lorentz theory. You would still need infinite amounts of energy for a massive object to reach the speed of light. I don't see how switching to Lorentz theory would help to make a massive body going faster than

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On 16 December 2011 03:39, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > It is not that simple. Relativity would not be completely dismissed by these > superluminal results. We don't know yet what is going on exactly. SR and GR > have been proven right in many instances and for large parameter spaces. No, There i

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

Archeologists concern themselves with the reconstruction of cracked pots. Crackpots have fragments of insight. Harry

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Dec 15, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: Rossi's tests and explanations are full of holes and self contradictions, impossibilities. It is Rossi's tests and explanations that matter. All the blather from the peanut galle

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

It is not that simple. Relativity would not be completely dismissed by these superluminal results. We don't know yet what is going on exactly. SR and GR have been proven right in many instances and for large parameter spaces. Giovanni On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > On 1

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Joshua Cude wrote: > > >> > Contrary to popular argument, science actually celebrates novelty and >> > revolution, and scientists are not afraid of disruptive experiments; >> they >> > crave them. > > > This is complete bullshit. Most scienti

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Charles Hope wrote: > > Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without >> being properly debunked? > > > Not to my knowledge. Unless you count things like water memory, which may > be real after all > You'd bette

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

Geocentrism took over 1000 years to "debunk". The Law of CoE might take as long to debunk. Harry On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Charles Hope wrote: > >> Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without >> being properly debunked? > > > Not to

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On 16 December 2011 03:22, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > Well, there is a reason why neutrinos travel faster than light and not other > particles. Starships are not made of neutrinos so even if the results would > be proven to be right for neutrinos it would not apply > to conventional matter. Of

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

Joshua Cude wrote: > > Contrary to popular argument, science actually celebrates novelty and > > revolution, and scientists are not afraid of disruptive experiments; they > > crave them. This is complete bullshit. Most scientists neither fear nor celebrate disruptive experiments. They do not gi

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

Well, there is a reason why neutrinos travel faster than light and not other particles. Starships are not made of neutrinos so even if the results would be proven to be right for neutrinos it would not apply to conventional matter. Giovanni On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

No, that was not accepted very well at all. Only a small quantity of open minded theoretical physicists (most of them are considered fringe by the mainstream) are publishing papers just in case the phenomena exists but it will take a few more years to confirm it. 2011/12/15 Jouni Valkonen > On 1

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

Charles Hope wrote: Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without > being properly debunked? Not to my knowledge. Unless you count things like water memory, which may be real after all, and acupuncture and chiropractic, which seem to work. Are there any examples o

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On 16 December 2011 02:56, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > There is an example that is interesting. > Gravitational wave detection. This is also sad thing. Because once we had to chance to disprove Inflation theory once and for all by detecting gravitational wave signature of big bang with Lisa, Lis

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On 16 December 2011 02:47, Joshua Cude wrote: > Contrary to popular argument, science actually celebrates novelty and > revolution, and scientists are not afraid of disruptive experiments; they > crave them. Fame, glory, funding, and adoration come to those who make > breakthroughs, not those who

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

There is an example that is interesting. Gravitational wave detection. As a practical field was created more than 40 years ago and no detection has been done yet. The theoretical prediction of gravitational waves by Einstein happened about 90 years ago. He claimed it was an interesting theoretical

[Vo]:Why big energy wants to kill the LRET

Interesting read: http://www.climatespectator.com.au/commentary/why-big-energy-wants-kill-lret Now imagine what would happen with a LENR generator with a LCOE below coal.

[Vo]:Was Technetium ever detected in LENR experiments?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technetium * Technetium* ([image: play] / t ɛ k

Re: [Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Charles Hope wrote: > Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without > being properly debunked? Are there any examples of new science remaining on > the fringe for 20 years before being finally accepted into the mainstream? > > Perpetual

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On 15 December 2011 15:21, Jed Rothwell wrote: > 1. Stored energy can only cause the temperature to decline monotonically, > very rapidly at first (Newton's law of cooling). Yet this heat increased > during the event. > It is easy to create a system in which heat transfer is limited to a near co

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

On 11-12-15 06:19 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: I don't understand any of that in the slightest. The device as it is supposed to be would immediately and without any changes be an excellent heat source. ... But this is very silly conjecture. If the device worked, which is very doubtful at this poi

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

Apparently you don't understand LCOE (Levelized Cost Of Energy)? May I suggest you do some googling. ALL of the ways we generate energy have an infinite COP if you take away the energy content of the fuel that you need to supply to the generator. With some generators such as wind, solar, tidal,

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Charles Hope wrote: > It's not relevant, because his criticism is against innumeracy, which > applies to such delusions as astrology and homeopathy, but not cold fusion, > where the most serious advocates are scientists, who certainly know their > differential equa

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Then I suggest you read Christensen and some other books about business. > Some of these ideas are complicated. You have to do your homework. > An amazing new revolutionary technology promising to replace fossil fuels... but it's useless i

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On 11-12-15 06:11 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: Falsifiability just means it should be possible to conceive of an experimental result that would contradict the assertion. It's intended to avoid religious claims in a scientific arena. It actually has much broader applications than just that. Hang a

[Vo]:CF as a historical phenomenon

Are there any examples of pathological science persisting 20 years without being properly debunked? Are there any examples of new science remaining on the fringe for 20 years before being finally accepted into the mainstream?

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

It's not relevant, because his criticism is against innumeracy, which applies to such delusions as astrology and homeopathy, but not cold fusion, where the most serious advocates are scientists, who certainly know their differential equations. Why would anyone mention cold fusion in 2011, and

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

Mary Yugo wrote: I don't understand any of that in the slightest. > Then I suggest you read Christensen and some other books about business. Some of these ideas are complicated. You have to do your homework. > The device as it is supposed to be would immediately and without any > changes be

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > "If you can't think of a specific way this EXPERIMENTAL scientist's work > could have jumped the tracks, then you have no basis to challenge the > conclusions." > First of all, there are many specific ways suggested to explain the ecat, t

[Vo]:Possible Proof of Peter's theory of gravity and New Matter Accrual

Peter, your thoughts about matter "sucking" ZPE and accruing mass may be extremely important. Your theory is a fascinatingly possible explanation for how the Earth has grown to its present size. If I brought you a box of broken glass, then assembled it into a perfect sphere, with no leftover pi

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:08 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > "If you can't think of a specific way this EXPERIMENTAL scientist's work > could have jumped the tracks, then you have no basis to challenge the > conclusions." > I can't think of any way (much less a specific way) that famous magicians co

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

That is why I'm not fussed about why it works as long as it works and the LCOE fits my target market. When either Leonardo or DGT announce their Ac kWh devices, with prices, then we can determine into which markets these devices can and can not be sold. For any new energy generation technology,

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

Jed, Peter can correct me if I error on this point but I believe he has repeatedly attempted to contact Dr. Park specifically in regard to the Rossi saga. Numerous times. I believe Peter as posted the fact that Park has never responded to any of his repeated inquiries. I'm sure others have attemp

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: > > For the E-Cat or any other LENR generator to make inroads into the global >> energy generation market, the LCOE per kWh of delivered energy must be >> lower than from any other comparable energy sources or there i

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I am saying that as a rule of logic, all assertions much be falsifiable, > Resorting to misunderstood rules is the refuge of people who have no good arguments left. Falsifiability just means it should be possible to conceive of an experime

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote: For the E-Cat or any other LENR generator to make inroads into the global > energy generation market, the LCOE per kWh of delivered energy must be > lower than from any other comparable energy sources or there is simply no > market for it. Yup. That's a key point. You m

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

When you feed the output back into the input and there is additional power to supply energy to an external load, then the COP is infinite as also occurs in a Fossil or Nuclear plant which also have infinite COPs if you exclude the energy obtained from the fuel. So claiming a LENR generator has

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > At 11:08 AM 12/15/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > I need to add phase-change salts (and possibly even ceramic bricks) to my > fakes paper. Can you give me / point me to a likely candidate? > > > http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~meam502/projec

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > It is a problem of logic, as I explained to Yugo. An assertion that cannot > be tested or falsified cannot be debated. I cannot dispute it. Or agree > with it, for that matter. It is meaningless. > This sounds like the tactic of a loser. The

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > Other than Talbot Chubb every researcher I have discussed this with > believes most of the claims. > Not many on record though. It will be interesting if the ecat comes to nothing, to see how they will rationalize their beliefs in the cla

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

paying for a demo could be proposed, but since if true it will be done next year, that would just for impatient fan. about cash, don't forget the escrowed cash... but once you have the machine, the best would be to find a good usage. who knows someone needing 1MW thermal ? vegetable farmer, pool,

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > I need to add phase-change salts (and possibly even ceramic bricks) to my > fakes paper. Can you give me / point me to a likely candidate? > > You might also consider reversible metal-hydride reactions.

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > > Rossi's tests and explanations are full of holes and self contradictions, > impossibilities. It is Rossi's tests and explanations that matter. All > the blather from the peanut gallery is irrelevant, except possibly to alert > the few g

Re: [Vo]:eCat Electric COP : 2

by the way the COP=6 is first conservative, but the need is not of electricity but of heat... of course today he use electricity because it is easy to control. in fact it seems that hyperion, and maybe soon e-cat will self sustain quite long. also as said here, if you can produce electricity, juste

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > The power between 150 and 250 shown in the cooling loop is more or less > stable, meaning the thing has reached the terminal temperature. It has > achieved a balance between input and output. > It's stable because it's measuring the temperat

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

Mary Yugo wrote: Mary Yugo also says she has read no papers. >> > > No longer the case. I slogged through a couple, was not impressed by > their clarity and robustness and stopped reading them. > If you find McKubre, Miles or Storms difficult to read then you are not very good at calorimetry, d

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Oh come now. I have dealt with fraud by pointing that Yugo's claims of > stage magic is not falsifiable. > I don't know who you think is convinced by that. Of course it's falsifiable. Just run the experiment long enough without input to e

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > The problem with Jed's point is that it's vulnerable to a reductio ad > absurdum. Specifically, it leads to a rather obvious logical conclusion, > which goes something like this: "If you can't think of a specific way this > scientist's work could have jumped the tr

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > If he attacks cold fusion I do not think he would hold back from attacking > Rossi. Everyone I know thinks they are the same phenomenon. > Guess you don't know me! I think there might possibly be something to cold fusion. I also think Ro

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Most confirmed skeptics refuse to read anything. > It's not refusal. It's that they are not interested. Most skeptics are satisfied that if the grandiose claims were real, simple and obvious demonstrations would not only be possible, but wo

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Does anyone seriously question the possibility that Park > remains unaware of Rossi, Defkalion, and the rest of the eCat gang? > Seriously? > It hasn't been in the mass media much. I don't anyone who has discussed this with Park . . . I suppose it is possi

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

The whole thing is related to pseudoscience and ignorance, and it's all relevant. Here it is: 1. HACKS: SHODDY PRESS COVERAGE OF SCIENCE. The Leveson Inquiry into the standards and ethics of the UK press, headed by Lord Justice Brian Leveson, was prompted by the News of the World phone- hacking s

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On 11-12-15 03:52 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote: I am talking about YOUR STATEMENT, taken in isolation, strictly from a logical point of view. I am NOT TALKING ABOUT what Rossi can or cannot do. Apart

[Vo]:Thoughts about Mass and Gravitation and zeropoint.

Hi, my thesis is that matter sucks up energy and this is the reason for gravity. I dont know in which frequency range this happens, but I think matter sucks up zeropoint energy and converts it to matter. There was a similar theory that was discussed by Clerk Maxwell and Boltzmann and others.

Re: [Vo]:entanglement broadcasting

Does anyone know if and how entanglement effects are explained in stochastic electrodynamics? -- See: Second entanglement and (re)Born wave functions in Stochastic Electrodynamics http://nonloco-physics.0catch.com/aip05.pdf On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Berke Durak wrote: > Axil Axil wrote

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

Thanks for posting the actual paragraph, Peter. > 3. LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD > There are, I think, many more of them than there are of us. Let me mention > just a few of the more notorious:  Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishman, who > gave us Cold Fusion in 1989, are

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > I am talking about YOUR STATEMENT, taken in isolation, strictly from a > logical point of view. I am NOT TALKING ABOUT what Rossi can or cannot do. > Apart from everything else, why on earth would you want to do that? This is a practical

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

Mary Yugo wrote: > It is a problem of logic, as I explained to Yugo. An assertion that cannot >> be tested or falsified cannot be debated. I cannot dispute it. Or agree >> with it, for that matter. It is meaningless. >> > > You keep saying that but other people and I keep pointing out to you tha

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

At 11:08 AM 12/15/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: I need to add phase-change salts (and possibly even ceramic bricks) to my fakes paper. Can you give me / point me to a likely candidate? http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~meam502/project/reviewexample2.pdf    (2007) Very few with a melting-point above 100C

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

no link yet, sorry but this is the relevant text: 3. LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD There are, I think, many more of them than there are of us. Let me mention just a few of the more notorious: Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishman, who gave us Cold Fusion in 1989, are the

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > It is a problem of logic, as I explained to Yugo. An assertion that cannot > be tested or falsified cannot be debated. I cannot dispute it. Or agree > with it, for that matter. It is meaningless. > You keep saying that but other people and

Re: [Vo]:Bob Park is back!

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: > In his Dec 01 (?) "What's New", Bob Park > speaks in his usual style about cold fusion > see- LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE > IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD > CF is on the first place! > You must be on his mailing list. The newest I find is N

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

I have bowed out of this discussion, but let me clarify this point: Horace Heffner wrote: > Oh come now. I have dealt with fraud by pointing that Yugo's claims of > stage magic is not falsifiable. > > > Uhhh how does that differ from just ignoring it? > It is a problem of logic, as I exp

[Vo]:Bob Park is back!

In his Dec 01 (?) "What's New", Bob Park speaks in his usual style about cold fusion see- LET ME COUNT THE WAYS: PSEUDOSCIENCE IS AN ENORMOUS FIELD CF is on the first place! -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

Mary Yugo wrote: > So these people support your views about the impossibility of storing > enough heat during the warmup period in the large "Ottoman" E-cat of > October 6 to account for the results? > It would be more correct to say I support their views, or we arrived at the same conclusion.

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Your choice of my paper as an example is diversionary because (1) it only deals with one test . . . I have dealt with the other tests, separately, as have others. Some of them are also definitive. The last one was no

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > >> >> Does he know who these knowledgeable people are? Do we? >> > > Cold fusion researchers who know a lot about calorimetry. The usual > suspects. > > Horace is well acquainted with them, and generally held in high rega

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

Mary Yugo wrote: > > Does he know who these knowledgeable people are? Do we? > Cold fusion researchers who know a lot about calorimetry. The usual suspects. Horace is well acquainted with them, and generally held in high regard, I believe. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > As for the rest of your comments . . . I am not the only one who disagrees > with you. So do all of the knowledgeable people I asked to review your > paper. I suggest you ask one of them for a critique. > Does he know who these knowledgeab

Re: [Vo]:entanglement broadcasting

A pretty counter-intuitive phenomenon. So were super-conductivity and lasing. I believe both emission and absorption of radiation can be strongly enhanced in a volume of entangled (coherent) particles - even when it's spatial extent is greater than the radiation wave-length. See: http://arxiv.org

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

Horace Heffner wrote: > 3. The data shows that the reactor cools in ~40 min. when the power is > cut. That is the actual, measured limit of stored heat with this system, at > these temperatures and inputs. > > > That is merely a measure of the stored heat and thermal conductivity at > the end of

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

At 10:45 AM 12/15/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: Just to be clear, no one is talking about heating the outside box metal envelope. My focus is entirely the inside box, the 30 cm x 30 cm x 30 cm inside box, the insides of which no one has seen. It is easy to place a thermal mass inside this vo

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

I think DKG will have a Hyperion for a demo very soon. Take a few barrels of water, a watch, thermometer and run it with power going through a 3A fuse. Heat a barrel of water in an hour, or a whole pool in a couple of days. If DKG does it right, they'll have a number of scientists and reporters on

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion tells a reader : visit us

Am 15.12.2011 19:50, schrieb Alan J Fletcher: At 10:32 AM 12/15/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: The mechanism is constructed in such a way that any hard x-rays so far, so good ... or external gamma measurements are detected and it will trigger. How can you detect an EXTERNAL gamma measurement?

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

Mary Yugo wrote: > I can't believe that Miley can't get $5K or even $100K of funds a year. > That's chump change for any large company. Well, he and I have been beating the bushes trying to get funding. Nothing yet. If you know a company with that kind of chump change, please have them contact

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion tells a reader : visit us

At 10:32 AM 12/15/2011, Peter Heckert wrote: The mechanism is constructed in such a way that any hard x-rays so far, so good ... or external gamma measurements are detected and it will trigger. How can you detect an EXTERNAL gamma measurement? Or do you mean that an attempt to probe the in

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

At 10:14 AM 12/15/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Would he really be able to replicate sustained kW-level excess heat (of course, with watt-level input) with just $50,000 in funding or so? Serious question. Without the secret Magic Unicorn dust? Probably not.

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

On Dec 15, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert Leguillon wrote: You should read the report you cite again. He doesn't ignore that the reactor remained at boiling temperatures for four hours. He takes it head-on. Go straight to pages 8 and 9. I saw that. That is an attempt to

Re: [Vo]:E-cat article by Haiko Leitz

>  Stored heat can only emerge. It cannot stay hot. It has cool monotonically, >according to Newton's law: You're burning the last point I held for Rossi (which was that I wondered whether scientists could be fooled so easily - apparently they can). Newton's law would not be violated, of course

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion tells a reader : visit us

Am 15.12.2011 19:12, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 14.12.2011 21:05, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Charly Sistovaris wrote: That's in Athens, not Xanthi which is a town in the North. You often bring up good arguments, but the bickering is a tiresome. I simply copied the inf

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

It was joke-- pls. lighten up!

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

On 2011-12-15 19:08, Jed Rothwell wrote: If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I will have this thing replicated in no time. People such as Miley could replicate most of it in a short time if they had ~$50,000 in funding. Or $5,000. Would he really be able to

Re: [Vo]:E-cat impact

I'd be dead without spell checker. I suspect I'm not alone on that. I wonder if MY is taking lessons from Mr. Krivit. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion tells a reader : visit us

Am 14.12.2011 21:05, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Charly Sistovaris wrote: That's in Athens, not Xanthi which is a town in the North. You often bring up good arguments, but the bickering is a tiresome. I simply copied the information given by Defkalion and indeed it's

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Spending a million bucks for this is crazy. The machine will be obsolete > in six months. Unless you have a need for 1 MW of heat, it will be useless. > > If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I > will have

Re: [Vo]:Crowd-funded test? List of pro-LENR scientists

Spending a million bucks for this is crazy. The machine will be obsolete in six months. Unless you have a need for 1 MW of heat, it will be useless. If you have $1 million burning a hole in your pocket, give it to me that I will have this thing replicated in no time. People such as Miley could rep

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