Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion.. \"openly\" demonstrated at MIT

2012-02-02 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Colleagues COP = 10, sounds quite fine however it's good to put this in context. PdD LENR has 3 problems: weakness (it's difficult to measure) reproducibility (bad, unpredictible) ephemerity (it fizzles out early) In this case- was it a strong effect Watts, tens of watts, can it be repeated

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion.. \"openly\" demonstrated at MIT

2012-02-02 Thread Robert Leguillon
Great news, and quite embarrassing for some. Ni-H could arguably to be different enough from the original 1989 experiment to convince the public that it's new. If JET is indeed demonstrating reliable 10x gains with palladium, the question of past suppression is difficult to ignore. What the fiel

Re: [Vo]:Magnet Motor Video..Hmmmmm????? 267,500 hits- goes Viral.

2012-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
If theory predicted that it should run for x hours but instead ran much longer would it qualify as a true FE device? Harry On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 PM, William Beaty wrote: > > A couple of "Free Energy" prizes exist.  How about a prize for an elegant > fake FE machine?   No batteries or ext.

RE: [Vo]:Verisimilitude, lies, and true lies Part 1

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Jones: You might want to follow this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg35942.html The quote from the PhysOrg article which starts the thread is this: "So you have one set of data that tells you the mass-dependence picture doesn't work and another that tells you the densit

RE: [Vo]:Alan, what is SPAWAR "B A N" ? ? ?

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
The thread subject was: "Mass media exposure kills SPAWAR cold fusion research" It was initiated by Jed in this posting: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59243.html Note that Jed misspelled SPAWAR (SAPWAR) in the opening sentence... With further comments here: http://w

[Vo]:Alan, what is SPAWAR "B A N" ? ? ?

2012-02-02 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
What is a SPAWAR "BAN", and forbidding to work on something order. Is there any source where I could get more info? > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:36:57 -0800 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > From: a...@well.com > Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR??? > > At 12:32 PM 2/2/2012, Roarty, Fran

Re: [Vo]:Magnet Motor Video..Hmmmmm????? 267,500 hits- goes Viral.

2012-02-02 Thread William Beaty
A couple of "Free Energy" prizes exist. How about a prize for an elegant fake FE machine? No batteries or ext. power source, that's no fun. For example, suppose you could build one of these youtube magnet motors which actually accelerated and ran by itself ...but its magnets became weaker

Re: [Vo]:DGT Screenshot -- BIG V

2012-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > Engineer wrote: > And I know you read the big V; so, did you figure it out before you read > it? > > DefkalionGT: > We respect "big V" and its role/commitment in CF/LENR for so many years. > Yeah, that was the "Arrg! Go on!" reference to a

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion.. "openly" demonstrated at MIT

2012-02-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
looks like the scenario of the easiest hot fusion... maybe it is simply a journalist that invent whe he cannot fill the blanks... seen no data on the kind of LENR at MIT IAP 2012. CF times seems the only source. who have other non incestuous source? 2012/2/2 Robert Leguillon > An article at *g

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:20:48 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Daniel sez: > >> Well, he [Sitchi] was busted when dictionaries of sumerian >> were made widely available, including online. It seems he >> overused creative translation. But, who knows... > >It's al

Re: [Vo]:DGT Screenshot -- BIG V

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Engineer wrote: And I know you read the big V; so, did you figure it out before you read it? DefkalionGT: We respect "big V" and its role/commitment in CF/LENR for so many years.

Re: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap : MINUS 39 / 406 (max)

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
The weighting is explained in the document ... there is a final weighting of the individual scores. I'm not sure what a perfect score was -- 406 was the highest entry. The public meeting for Energy was TA03: Space Power and Energy Storage Systems  March 24, 2011 California so it's essentially pr

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 2 Feb 2012 08:48:44 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Best candidate yet for locating the home of ET is called GJ 667Cc, probably >a mild tropical water world, where "a month is a year" and it is never dark. > >http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=habitable-p

[Vo]:Magnetism, the killer and creator

2012-02-02 Thread Axil Axil
*Magnetism, the killer and creator* ** If cold fusion is based on a superconductive like pairing of protons into a entangled condensate, insight can be drawn from thoughtful consideration of superconductor theory as in the following: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1104.4404.pdf *Can nothing be a supercon

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion.. "openly" demonstrated at MIT

2012-02-02 Thread Robert Leguillon
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=www.greenstyle.it%2Ffusione-fredda-successo-per-un-test-effettuato-al-mit-7376.html From: robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion.. "openly" demonstrate

Re: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
The remaining low-priority technology, fusion, was judged to provide no likely value to NASA in the next 20 to 30 years due to a very low probability of success during that timeframe. (That's all she wrote).

Re: FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?

2012-02-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Mark Goldes's message of Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:32:52 -0500: Hi, [snip] >Einstein’s mechanics allows a Pion space drive to achieve speeds that will >approach the speed of light. In contrast, Carrollian, non-relativistic, >physics posits a superluminal Pion powered space drive may approac

Re: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap : MINUS 39 / 406 (max)

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
OK : I got the whole thing. There were specialist panels, public meetings etc, resulting in a priority high,medium,low -- where low means that NASA investment would have little impact on the field. (Ignoring the fact that a NASA endorsement could have a big impact on other funding). The det

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Daily News

2012-02-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Rossi watching can be fun. Ya just don't know what he is going to say next. Thanks for indulging us, Alan! Much appreciated. :-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion.. "openly" demonstrated at MIT

2012-02-02 Thread Robert Leguillon
An article at greenstyle.it seems to indicate that JET Energy's demonstration was not hydrogen-nickel, but deuterium+tritium=helium. Do we have any such confirmation? R.L. __ This is the article in question: original - http://www.greenstyle.it/fusione-fredda-success

FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Goldes
Jones, Robotic spacecraft capable of visiting Goldilocks planets, as hard as it may be to believe, may prove possible. Star Scientific Ltd. Claims to be perfecting a technique to economically and constantly produce huge quantities of pions. Their website states: “Muons are the decayed products

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR???

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:32 PM 2/2/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: SPAWAR? Navy lab work – Pam Mossier Yup ... typo.

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jones, As a recovering dyslexic, it can be a challenge unpacking your memes, especially when you're transmitting at IPv6 and I'm still chugging along at IPv4. I seem to recall that we have had similar discussions on the so-called merits of "aliens" physically visiting our planet, versus a less-ri

RE: [Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR???

2012-02-02 Thread Robert Leguillon
SWAPAR, like SAPWAR, is a misspelling of the acronym SPAWAR. Navy Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command. They, like NASA, had been researching cold fusion/LENR. Under a small glare of media attention, their program was possibly cancelled. There is a wealth of information available by simp

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR???

2012-02-02 Thread Roarty, Francis X
SPAWAR? Navy lab work - Pam Mossier From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 3:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR??? I don't know how to find this, not even in google Alan, what is SWAPAR Ban??? _

RE: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Terry Blanton A group called Transception Incorporated, self-described as an Austin, Texas based psychic R&D operation,

[Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR???

2012-02-02 Thread Wm. Scott Smith
I don't know how to find this, not even in google Alan, what is SWAPAR Ban??? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:06:53 -0800 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: a...@well.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap At 06:01 PM 2/1/2012, David Roberson wrote: They are expecting great things from fusion I see. Wonder

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > There is nothing to be gained from a logical perspective by "being there" in > person, as we may find out in our collective future, Newt notwithstanding. > Especially not if you hold the less controversial view that so-called > "remote viewing"

[Vo]:Rossi Daily News

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
February 1st, 2012 at 7:56 PM < http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580&cpage=2#comment-178418 > Dear Luca Salvarani, I beg you to rewrite also in English your question, so that our Readers, mainly Anglophone, will understand what we say. I can give answers which translate the sense of t

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce's Agenda

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 07:23 AM 1/31/2012, Wolf Fischer wrote: Hi Vortex, as it seems, Ian Bryce got hold of the possiblities of the Internet and tries to spread his word... He makes appearances in some of the Ecat-News-Site's comment sections as well as, e.g., on the Defkalion forum. To be honest - i am a little

Re: [Vo]:Magnet Motor Video..Hmmmmm????? 267,500 hits- goes Viral.

2012-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
In the comment section one person suggested it is powered by compressed air. Harry On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Ron Kita wrote: > Greetings Vortex-L: > > I  have a strong dislike for Magnet Motors VideosBUT...this one seems > to have gone viral 267,500+ hits --with many many likes: > ht

Re: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap

2012-02-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 06:01 PM 2/1/2012, David Roberson wrote: They are expecting great things from fusion I see.  Wonder what happened to the positive outlook that they expressed earlier? I think that the "positive outlook" is only two labs who seem to believe it, versus this report representing NASA as a whole. I

RE: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Steven, The most basic reason that I think Sitchin and other proponents of "physical" visitation by aliens (the ancient astronaut bogosity) are misguided, at least on the issue of "tangibility" is this. Logic dictates that any advanced civilization, if they exist at all, will not be encumbered by

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
What's your point? 2012/2/2 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint > Daniel: > > Without getting an explanation from the source, i.e., a Sumerian scribe, > how do we know FOR SURE what the PROPER meanings should be in those > ‘dictionaries’??? The meanings that ended up there are LIKELY influenced > by wha

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
I read one of them, when I was a teen. I had a lot of fun with it, but I didn't believe in one line. I asked or pleaded my mom to buy another but she thought it was to ridiculous. One was enough. 2012/2/2 MJ > > Huh? Have you read some of his books? > > MJ > > > > On 02-Feb-12 15:16, Da

[Vo]:The roots of global warming science

2012-02-02 Thread Harry Veeder
"The solar heat possesses... the power of crossing an atmosphere; but, when the heat is absorbed by the planet, it is so changed in quality that the rays emanating from the planet cannot get with the same freedom back into space. Thus, the atmosphere admits of the entrance of the solar heat, but ch

RE: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Daniel: Without getting an explanation from the source, i.e., a Sumerian scribe, how do we know FOR SURE what the PROPER meanings should be in those 'dictionaries'??? The meanings that ended up there are LIKELY influenced by what the current thinking is on cosmology and other scientific fields of

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread MJ
Huh? Have you read some of his books? MJ On 02-Feb-12 15:16, Daniel Rocha wrote: Well, he was busted when dictionaries of sumerian were made widely available, including online. It seems he overused creative translation. But, who knows... 2012/2/2 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Daniel sez: > Well, he [Sitchi] was busted when dictionaries of sumerian > were made widely available, including online. It seems he > overused creative translation. But, who knows... It's all a matter of interpretation, isn't it! ;-) You say to-may-toe, I say to-mau-toe. Too bad we can't ask t

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, he was busted when dictionaries of sumerian were made widely available, including online. It seems he overused creative translation. But, who knows... 2012/2/2 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > Jones, > > Interesting SA article. > > I seem to recall scholar/archeologist Zecharia Sitchin spec

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Terry Blanton
I'm hoping for the endowed, cat-eyed blonde in this encounter: http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1932&category=Environment T

Re: [Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jones, Interesting SA article. I seem to recall scholar/archeologist Zecharia Sitchin speculating on the premise that the Sumerian civilization was influenced by an amphibian race of beings. Sitchin was a prolific author. He rote numerous scholarly books on his ET hypothesis. I haven't read any

RE: [Vo]:What Bill B. said, to the second power

2012-02-02 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Bill: Don't know if you're aware, but MY's true identity has been determined... It started with a discovery by Robert Leguillon in this post: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62551.html And Terry added some additional thoughts in subsequent posts... The discourse has returne

[Vo]:ET - Call home

2012-02-02 Thread Jones Beene
Best candidate yet for locating the home of ET is called GJ 667Cc, probably a mild tropical water world, where "a month is a year" and it is never dark. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=habitable-planet-gj-667cc That name GJ 667Cc: what a PR disaster. Let's rename it! "A'dun

[Vo]:Feasibility of LENR Hybrid Car, soon

2012-02-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
Hi, someone cited this micro turbine of 5kW for an Hybrid Car http://www.enginer.us/products/steam_micro_turbine.php this car lost a competition because consuming too much fuel, but with LENR it should be OK... I dod not know that one could make a 5kW (mechanic I assume) turbine that works well...

Re: [Vo]:What Bill B. said, to the second power

2012-02-02 Thread William Beaty
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Randy Wuller wrote: This post prompted a reply from Maryugo. Since MY is banned here and at the Defkalion site and since I converse with MY (by email) occasionally, she sent me her reply to Bill Beaty which I presume he received and did not elect to post. Yourself or "M