RE: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

ChemE wrote: "Is a hydrogen pinch equivalent to a bubble collapse in the Leclair cavitation fusion? Two glasses of wine led me to that conclusion." That first line sounds like what would happen to you and your lady in a hot tub after those two glasses of wine! LoL -Mark Iverson From

RE: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

The following is all speculation, but I think it's pretty clear what when down. Due to Stremmenos' connections to the Greek govt, DGT obtained their funding from the govt -- Better to make deal with most desperate partner so one doesn't have to give up much ownership - it's all about leverage

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

What you have is a resonant cavity, with phonons. The compression will be done by mechanic waves, coupled with EM waves. The infrared waves are 4 order of magnitude bigger than the cavity. So, you could have quite a few billion of atoms in phase due the relatively large infrared waves. 2012/7/19 E

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

I wrote: But when it appears, you would get a z-pinch effect, as happens in a > lightening rod, and the walls of the containing wire would violently > collapse in on the cavity. What happens to a lightening rod is fairly > dramatic: > > > http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/images/content/about/Fig_3_

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

I think the smallest CNT cannot do it, but a small cavity of 0.8nm within a lattice, with a few dozens of H can do it. 10 million bars is not out of the realm o chemical energy if you synchronize the movement a few hundreds of Ni atoms, to compress that cavity. 2012/7/19 Eric Walker > > Some bac

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

I rather believe in you! Not Rossi :) 2012/7/19 Chemical Engineer > Ok, I am off by the normal amount that Rossi is, and people still believe > him! > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Ok, I am off by the normal amount that Rossi is, and people still believe him! On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: > For hot fusion, what is needed is 100 million K! 20K is only 2eV. It > doesn't even ionize H properly. > > 2012/7/19 Chemical Engineer 'cvml', 'cheme...@gmail.com');>

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM, David Roberson wrote: Interesting idea. Are you thinking of the protons being ejected from the > CNT like toothpaste as the outer surface is compressed? > > I assume you are referring to the large current as being a large time > changing current instead of a DC

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

For hot fusion, what is needed is 100 million K! 20K is only 2eV. It doesn't even ionize H properly. 2012/7/19 Chemical Engineer > Bubbles feel the heat > > Mar 3, 2005 > > Physicists have seen a region of plasma in a single-bubble > sonoluminescence experiment for the first time. They have also

Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology

That would be a good plan to end up with helium 4. The binding energy released once you get to that element is enormous. The proton-proton reaction does not leave me with too much concern since the strong nuclear force is far dominate over the coulomb force. The only reason that I see for a

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Bubbles feel the heat Mar 3, 2005 Physicists have seen a region of plasma in a single-bubble sonoluminescence experiment for the first time. They have also found that the temperature inside the bubble can reach up to 20,000 K (D Flannigan and K Suslick 2005 * Nature* *434*52). 20,000 K seems pre

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Cavitation is common in very turbulent streams, there are indeed some reasonable qualitative explanations for it. http://www.turbulence-online.com/Publications/Journal_Papers/Papers/AG78.pdf Sonofusion is a bit different. It might involve the high pressures, not sure how high. But the temperatur

Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David Roberson wrote: Are you considering an additional fusion reaction to follow up on the > initial one discussed to use the hydrogen fuel more efficiently? If there > is anyway to end up with helium 4, that problem would vaporize. > That's right -- I'm think

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Leclair claims it is the collapsing of the bubbles (created in his case by cavitation from an impeller or laser) that triggers the fusion so I think the end result is the same as in sonofusion. I think we should all share the nobel prize, next problem? On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Daniel Rocha wr

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Not sure about Leclair. In that case, the excess power could be due to a reduced resistance of the liquid. Cavitation creates bubbles of vapor that might decrease the shear of the flux layers in the pipes. I think it is more likely to be related to sonofusion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusi_Tal

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

They are still busy deciding on the electric car's future... On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Craig Brown > > > wrote: > > How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party > > validation. > > Until Standard Oil of NJ appro

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Is a hydrogen pinch equivalent to a bubble collapse in the Leclair cavitation fusion? Two glasses of wine led me to that conclusion. On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Yes, for the 1st question. To the second question, there is nothing > against it, but a a pinch is rare occurren

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

*Metallic hydrogen is even less stable than usual metallic bounds. 2012/7/18 Daniel Rocha > *Metallic hydrogen is less bound. > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Yes, for the 1st question. To the second question, there is nothing against it, but a a pinch is rare occurrence, so, it is unlike that they will happen all close to each other. Small clusters are in general less bound than lattices. Metallic hydrogen is less bound. So, after you form these nano c

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Craig Brown wrote: > How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party > validation. Until Standard Oil of NJ approves. :-) T

RE: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party validation. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) From: David Roberson Date: Thu, July 19, 2012 10:03 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I have to questio

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Just tell Defkalion to setup a US Company of which the Greek company will be a subsidiary, call Stephen Chu and apply to the US Dept of Energy for a $1.6B loan guarantee for independent green power production in California (equivalent to 40, $40M license agreements). Spend at least 5% of that loan

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

I have to question their earlier statements that they have hundreds of investors in as many countries. Why do they not have sufficient funds if this is true? Something is rotten in the state of "(fill in the state)". Someone correct me if I have their statement mixed up with another entity.

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Jojo Jaro wrote: My conclusion is: This company is getting ready to abscond. Correct me if > I'm wrong and argue from facts, not opinion. I am willing to be wrong > about this. > No one outside the company can know whether you are right or wrong. None of us has any facts to go on. You are spe

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Frank Acland wrote: Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their > claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said "NASA, US Navy, > publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and > universities abroad* have visited us and have turned t

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said "NASA, US Navy, publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and universities abroad* have visited us and have turned their attention to our achiev

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

If DGT really had a reactor that is close to commercialization; that produce commercial level power and temps, don't you think people will rush to license their technology. What happened to those groups that tested the reactor. Why aren't they rushing to invest? Xanthoulis' statement seems t

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > To put it bluntly, it looks like a last call for potential investors, > implicitly urging them to hurry and take advantage of this opportunity > before DGTG will go elsewhere. This statement gives me a bad impression as well, for two reasons: 1. The letter seems to b

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Seems to me, Peter Gluck may be the one to ask. - Original Message - From: "Akira Shirakawa" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote: according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG

Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology

Jed, ...This is a nuclear reactor... we do not differ by much. This (non)-demonstration would show how far they are wrt regulations. Not far, I guess. The regulatory procedures are quite different in say 100 countries, 30 of them maybe akin to 'first world'. Who does it? DGTG? Probably not, up t

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote: according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave Greece. Source is unclear and we are used to better English from Xanthoulis. Maybe this is a translation by someone from a Greek letter. Wording aside (it appears it's a translation from

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Randy Wuller wrote: > In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to a > tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic real > value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity . . . I know little about economics, but I agree. It seems to me that mon

[Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave Greece. Source is unclear and we are used to better English from Xanthoulis. Maybe this is a translation by someone from a Greek letter. Andre

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

You mention small spots of superconductivity. Does that suggest that each tiny metallic hydrogen group must maintain its conductivity separate from the others? Why are they not able to contact each other to result in much lower overall resistance? Dave -Original Message- From: Dan

Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology

The proton-proton reaction is fundamental to the way stars such as the sun operate since most of the material drawn together from the space nearby is raw hydrogen with no neutrons. It is interesting to notice that there is a lack of neutrons available in the initial stages. Your point is well

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

No! That pressure is still too low to achieve fusion. You'd need 10^4 more. That's what is required to achieve the metallic hydrogen, stable and superconductive at room temperature, up to ~700K. The TSC is a self compressive molecule of hydrogen, in tetrahedral form. It self compresses until it fus

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

I must be confused about the process. Daniel, are you suggesting that the pressure of 10 million bars is going to cause the hydrogen within the tube to fuse? I was thinking more of the case where the fusion was with a nickel atom. Perhaps it is hydrogen fusing with hydrogen within the CNT.

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

No, not like a toothpaste, nothing expelled. Compress, as an extremely strong anvil, a pressure of 10 million bar. Such pressure is only possible in planets with higher masses than Neptune. It really doesn't matter if it is continuous or not. For the purpose of the collapse, which should be measu

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Interesting idea. Are you thinking of the protons being ejected from the CNT like toothpaste as the outer surface is compressed? I assume you are referring to the large current as being a large time changing current instead of a DC one. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker To

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

> In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to > a tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic > real value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity and I think every so > often we as a society have to go through stretches of it before we > rememb

[Vo]:Report on ILENRS-12

See: http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-symposium-at-williamsburg-lenrs-12-1-3-july-2012/

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Much of our quality of life in the developed world has been enchanced tremendously due to fossil fuel usage: Fossil fuels, such as coal, natural gas, and oil, were not used as a source of energy until the latter half of the 19th century. Prior to that, wind and water power were used for industrial

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

I hope so, and I feel that today energy cost is felt as a master parameter. It is just that it seems that it is only 10% of the produced good value... It is just a confilt between what my eyes see, and what the consensus seems to be... In that domain my intuition is not good enough to have a safe

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Deflation is a concept based on the money supply, as it chases goods and services. If the money supply is constant and the goods and services chased increase, prices deflate. If the money supply is constant and the goods and services decrease, prices inflate. If you change the money supply

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

In order to keep the flame of capitalism burning the deflation will need to be counteracted with inflationary measures. Harry On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > The flame of capitalism will be extinguished by sustained deflation. > harry > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, H

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

In order to keep the flame of capitalism burning the deflation will need to be counteracted with inflationary measures. Harry On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > The flame of capitalism will be extinguished by sustained deflation. > harry > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, H

Re: [Vo]:Stand-by power generators tied into house wiring

Tell your sister she can back feed the power panel with a double plug extension cord. Be sure to open all the breakers first, especially the main. Wired generators should have an interlock between the gen and the main to avoid back feeding the distribution transformer and possibility killing a li

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

The flame of capitalism will be extinguished by sustained deflation. harry On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > Long term deflation? > > Harry > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint > wrote: >> Alain wrote: >> >> “since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the po

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Long term deflation? Harry On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > Alain wrote: > > “since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is > around 10%” > > “maybe I miss the point?” > > Did you consider the following??? > > > > Energy is to economies as p

[Vo]:CNBC-60 Minutes- CF- Feedback via Facebook

Greetings Vortex, IF anyone wished to leave a comment on CNBC Facebook concerning the Cold Fusion Program: http://www.facebook.com/cnbcsmart Ron Kita, Chiralex I have posted a few comments on an update.

Re: [Vo]:OT: TIME Magazine - "Roswell Really Happened, Says Former CIA Agent"

The word 'Alien' is based on 'Our' (as in humankind) inability to deal with the 'fact' that 'Evolution' has occurred over the past 10 million years or so, that lead us to our current more developed intelligence capacity and/or characteristics,,, from a far less developed and/or primitive beginn

RE: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Alain wrote: "since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is around 10%" "maybe I miss the point?" Did you consider the following??? Energy is to economies as physics is to science. it is FUNDAMENTAL, and everything is built on top of it. A significant change to

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

LENR will create lots of new products and create industries where there are none today. Money is just a vehicle for goods and services to change hands and as long as capitalism remains that won't change. Just cooling off the oceans and removing CO2 from the atmosphere will be one new industry...

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

I do not think this message went through . . . Axil Axil mailto:janap...@gmail.com>> wrote: LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory will be completely automated. Only robots will populate these places. True. The sales of products will be done on Amazon.com.

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Alain Sepeda wrote: It will be important shock, but not so huge. at most 10% > > of course you can expect that the technology will become even cheaper, but > even if LENR get to zero, the turbines, cooling and alike will stay as > expensive (and I have under estimated their cost). > I suggest yo

[Vo]:Stand-by power generators tied into house wiring

For those unfamiliar with backup generators let me explain this comment ". . . in the first world you need to tie a generator into the house wiring, so you need an electrician." You do not actually need to do this, but it is a good idea. It is easier and cheaper than it used to be. My sister lives

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

just to guive data I've made some quick computation http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27&p=1139#p1139 since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is around 10%, that you can interpret as productivity increase. The replacement of world energy source is estimate

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

This is an interesting thing, which I also thought about some time ago, I also think z-pinch is involved. Even more, the extreme pressure could cause the formation of metallic hydrogen, an allotrope of hydrogen, (diamond and graphite are allotropes of carbon) ich is conjectured to be superconductiv

Re: [Vo]:CNBC and Advertisements for Cold Fusion- Hot Again

There was nothing there to awaken the sleeping giant. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > Yep, it was a rerun of the April 2009 program with a 10 second ‘update’ > made at the end of the segment…. The ‘update’ was (paraphrasing): > > “Dr. Duncan and 8

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

These plutocrats will strongly resist their fall from power; maintaining their position is their agenda. And how can economics functions without money? I will all be interesting to watch. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> w

RE: [Vo]:CNBC and Advertisements for Cold Fusion- Hot Again

Yep, it was a rerun of the April 2009 program with a 10 second 'update' made at the end of the segment.. The 'update' was (paraphrasing): "Dr. Duncan and 8 scientists at the University of Missouri are working to understand the processes involved." -Mark From: Chemical Engineer [mailto:cheme..

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Ah! It's soapbox time! Let me step on top of mine! I suspect that if the prospects of robotics and LENR, or one of the LENR cousins, pans out in the near future the concept of what money represents to individuals, companies, and government circles will also have to evolve with the times. Perhaps d

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

Axil Axil wrote: LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory will be > completely automated. Only robots will populate these places. > True. > The sales of products will be done on Amazon.com. > I doubt that. I think most cold fusion devices will be built into other prod

Re: [Vo]:z-pinch compression

Eric, Yes, that happens. So do various other wire deformations. See - "Stability of Metal Nanowires at Ultrahigh Current Densities" http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0411058 The authors have other papers on the topic. You can find them by clicking on their names. I am also interested in how much

Re: [Vo]:CNBC and Advertisements for Cold Fusion- Hot Again

Did anybody watch this last night? Was it just a rehatch or any new stuff? Or did everyone sign an NDA and can't say anything... On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Ron Kita wrote: > > I live in Pennsylvania...and they are showing 9PM

Re: [Vo]:Migrant Workers in China Face Competition from Robots

LENR will make jobs mostly uneeded. That's simple. You can have a closed structure to make crops and get you food for free. If you want any luxury, just some freelance will make the required money.

Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!

Sorry. Double Post. I did not mean to repost this since I've already said it. This is the BS of this retrograde Mailing System. If this were a forum, I could have simply edited the post or deleted it. This email explaining that I double posted should have been unneccesary. Jojo

Re: [Vo]:Harping on the Right Things!

Understood. You have the right to be wrong. :-) One thing you can do to convince yourself. See if you can find a glow plug for any purpose that looks like what you saw in those pictures. See if you can find a glow plug with a white heating end. $100 says you can't find a glow plug that loo

[Vo]:z-pinch compression

In an earlier post I speculated on the possibility of a current of electrons flowing along a hollow, superconducting wire inducing a current of protons within the wire (via Lenz's law, although I did not know that this was what I was invoking). I have since read descriptions to the effect that the

Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG 's technology

about danger I notice in wikipedia the following facts for 30-500keV "The most biological damaging forms of gamma radiation occur in the gamma ray window, between 3 and 10 MeV", so we are ut of the worst danger zone