monopoly won't be official, but defacto because of moral regulation, like
what is happening today.
my nightmare, yet probable, scenario is that NGO try to block LENR because
it oppose their marketing, funding, and Malthusian ideology. Big energy
corps support those efforts to manipulate opinion
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
It might be possible to enforce a monopoly within the EU on any LENR use,
apart from clandestine operation.
I doubt it. The EU countries have democratically elected governments. Cold
fusion will be save roughly $2,500 per person, per year, or ~$10,000
From: Eric Walker
Kevin O'Malley wrote:
***I do not understand why this isn't being investigated
more thoroughly. It's not as if you've proposed some new physics.
I think it is new physics, and
Use a little imagination. They can can accuse LENR advocates as aiding
terrorists. They can plant child porn on their computers. They can make an
example of any one of them by murdering one of them and pretending it was a
suicide - or just a random crime that never gets solved.
And you think
Hey, you left your lights on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=dtFGBbRhdFQ
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 2:37 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Love you too man
On Sunday, February 24, 2013, James Bowery wrote:
Yeah what else is he joking about?
On Sun, Feb
On Feb 24, 2013, at 6:23 PM, David Roberson wrote:
OK, I think I understand what you are describing after your detailed
explanation. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears as though
you are assuming that a random collection of individual events is
leading to the crater formation and
The problem, Bob, in applying any mechanism to the lattice, as you
have done, is that it would affect chemical processes long before it
could cause any interaction with a nucleus. As is well known, the
chemical and nuclear worlds are very far apart in energy and in any
observed
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
**
Use a little imagination. They can can accuse LENR advocates as aiding
terrorists. They can plant child porn on their computers.
They can do all kinds of things, and they already have. People such as
Robert Park have deliberately and destroyed the
ken deboer
New Topic:
Just happened upon a new patent , US app 20130044847 APPARATUS AND METHOD
FOR LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTIONS' by Dan Steinberg of Blacksburg,
Virginia. Obviously relevant but I am totally unqualifed to make any
useful comments on it. 'Who are these guys?'
On Mon, Feb 25,
In reviewing what has been done in the field I see the LENR effect seems to
have some positive
correlation with both elevated temperature and elevated pressures.
Has anyone attempted to do LENR type electrolytic experiments at super
critical temperatures and pressures?
Not even sure how a plain
Crater formation is an instance of reaction meltdown. In a bulk material,
random processes will produce some cases of crack formation in terms of
size and shape that will be subject to a runaway reaction.
Once the reaction gets underway, the speed of the reaction gets to the
point where it occurs
It is unfortunate the Fleischmann Pons Effect was the first instance of the
LENR reaction’s manifestation.
I liken the FP effect to the analogy of starting a fire in a flooded forest
drenched in a perpetual downpour. Dry firewood is hard to find and if
found, it continually gets wet.
It is
Ed, perhaps we are discussing the details in this case, but many times the
details reveal an underlying behavior that offers important clues. I believe
that I have a good understanding of your assumed mechanism at this time since
you did a good job of describing it. The hot spot evidence
From: paulsphone.uroc...@gmail.com
Has anyone attempted to do LENR type electrolytic experiments at super
critical temperatures and pressures?
Brillouin Energy. They claimed COP of about 2 on electrolytic - but have
since moved on to gas phase (dry).
You are right that the blocking of LENR should be done with the complicity
of the population.
My vision is that it will be done through manipulation of fear and morality.
What you cannot force people to surrender, they can give it to you with a
good manipulation, with a series of TV documentary
Jed,
Have you ever discussed with Mr. Park the reason for his behavior? Why does he
have such a strong aversion to research in this field?
What main industrial or military projects did he participate in during his
formative years?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell
You acknowledge the problem - and I think the good guys will win ultimately.
However, all those papers downloaded so far mean nothing - until you can
produce something simple, reliable and affordable for common useage.
I consider the situation nothing less than astonishing that, after the
I have also envisioned combining extreme environments to lessen the
requirements or possibly enable a synergetic relationship between the
individual environments such that the anomaly becomes easier to initiate.. I
think the Papp engine may be doing this with a piston supplying a mechanical
I agree Chris. This delay is embarrassing. However, if you examine the
nature of the ridicule, you will see a common feature. The writers are
generally ignorant, angry, and without any ability to understand
logic. Consequently, CF has become a test of the mental health of
society. This
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Have you ever discussed with Mr. Park the reason for his behavior?
Dr. Park. I don't mean that he is the only one. He is particularly
prominent. I use him as a stand-in for others at the DoE, the Jasons and
elsewhere.
I have only spoken with him on a
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
You acknowledge the problem - and I think the good guys will win
ultimately. However, all those papers downloaded so far mean nothing . . .
I am saying they will mean something if it becomes generally known that
cold fusion is real. The authorities or
Its probably a mistake to try to psychoanalyze these guys. I've described
the phenomenon as institutional
incompetencehttp://jimbowery.blogspot.com/2011/07/institutional-incompetence-conspiracy.html.
These people are not acting as individual at all but as parts of
institutions that are
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree Chris. This delay is embarrassing. However, if you examine the
nature of the ridicule, you will see a common feature. The writers are
generally ignorant, angry, and without any ability to understand logic.
You mean the people who denounce
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Its probably a mistake to try to psychoanalyze these guys.
I agree! I have said that before. I am not trying to psychoanalyze anyone.
I take them at their word. They say cold fusion is lunacy and hoax and
blah, blah. I assume they mean what they say.
I
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:06:28 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
The big question is whether or not a single fusion event is capable of doing
this degree of damage and creating the relatively large heating associated
with hot spots. It is well established that
On Feb 25, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I agree Chris. This delay is embarrassing. However, if you examine
the nature of the ridicule, you will see a common feature. The
writers are generally ignorant, angry, and without any ability to
The reason I was asking about his background is that I wonder if some in
government circles are concerned that LENR can be weaponized. If this is true,
you can bet that somewhere a black project is taking place to enhance the
potential of such a device. They may already have a prototype and
Such a large impact means it had a high speed on impact and distintegrated.
David
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 5:29 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I visited it once and the story is that the meteorite came in at a steep
angle and is buried under one of the rims.
Dave
Crater?
Disintegration implies transfer of kinetic energy.
Wonder how many pieces it exploded into?
I heard they found a 1 kg chunk
On Monday, February 25, 2013, David Jonsson wrote:
Such a large impact means it had a high speed on impact and
distintegrated.
David
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The reason I was asking about his background is that I wonder if some in
government circles are concerned that LENR can be weaponized.
You mean to make it go bang.
Martin Fleischmann and Edward Teller worried about that. I do not know
anyone else. I
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I do not think Park is irrational or has any mental problems.
I do not think so either. He is, however, what the British call a nasty
piece of work.
Huizenga was affable in person, but awfully closed-minded in his book.
Such people are as common in
I apologize if it seems that I introduce material associated with conspiracies
but I feel I have been driven to them, having no alternative. At present, the
world looks so bizarre to me, I cannot satisfy my sense of logic otherwise -
and if it isn't obvious already, the adventure of trying to
“People have often thought there’s no upper bound for wind power—that it’s
one of the most scalable power sources,” says Harvard University applied
physicist David Keith. After all, gusts and breezes don’t seem likely to
“run out” on a global scale in the way oil wells might run dry.
Yet the
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Saying that the human race - and its elite - are no more irrational than
in the past is no comfort if technology could give anyone the power of a
weapon of mass destruction.
That does not seem likely. Don't fret about it.
Even if there is a potential
Thanks Robin,
That is a good estimate of the melting energy and it demonstrates that a
coordinated reaction is required in order to generate one of the crater events.
I hope that a chain reaction of this type will always proceed at a slow enough
rate to limit the heat released to a safe
That's an interesting article. But this sentence is silly:
'It’s clear the theoretical upper limit to wind power is huge, if you
don't care about the impacts of covering the whole world with wind
turbines,' says Keith.
No one is thinking of covering the whole world with wind turbines. That
would
In the case of meteor crater in Az., they claim to have located a large iron
meteorite fragment under one rim that could be used to make many cars. There
is a museum where they described the projectile. Wiki has an article that says
that the nickel-iron meteorite was 50 meters wide before
I wrote:
Needless to say, with present day transmission technology there would be
no point to constructing 770 GW of wind generation in North Dakota!
ND has 6 GW of summertime power generation capacity. See:
http://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/northdakota/pdf/north_dakota.pdf
I am
We have survived this long by some means so I assume that we will continue to
do so into the future. I consider SETI as being limited in scope. How long
does a civilization continue to use powerful radio signals to communicate? The
fact that we have not detected any aliens so far suggests
Post 2
Micro-particles provide another means for the amplification of the LENR
effect through resonances.
In a bulk material, there are hot spots and thermally dead areas in the
lattice that result in an uneven distribution of heat and associated phonon
choppiness. Breaking up the lattice into
Most resources have a finite limit. There must be some price to pay for taking
energy from the environment and putting it to use. I can imagine that one day
the environmental groups will begin to object strenuously to the extreme
degradation of scenery, the killing of millions of birds, and
At least they know how to make a laser powerful enough to shoot down a flying
saucer if the need arises.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 5:17 pm
Subject: [Vo]:NIF Laser Fusion--Bad as Expected
Post 2 (corrected)
Micro-particles provide another means for the amplification of the LENR
effect through resonances.
In a bulk material, there are hot spots and thermally dead areas in the
lattice that result in an uneven distribution of heat and associated phonon
choppiness. Breaking up the
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I can imagine that one day the environmental groups will begin to object
strenuously to the extreme degradation of scenery, the killing of millions
of birds . . .
Many people do complain about the degradation of the scenery. I think they
have a
It is apparent to me from this event where the unbelief of internal
confinement plasma scientist comes from and the distain they show to us who
advocate fusion with little energy input.
These poor people are applying instantaneous pulsed energy equal to all the
power produce throughout the entire
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
We have survived this long by some means so I assume that we will continue
to do so into the future.
I do not see the logic of that! That is like saying we have survived
countless wars, so why should we worry about a full-scale nuclear war?
In 1914
I wrote:
It seems unlikely to me that anyone will be able to fabricate a cold
fusion device at home, using 3-D printers or what-have-you. Not for the
next thousand years or so, until those machines evolve into Clarke's
universal replicators.
Maybe 1,000 years is too much, but it will be a
Now Jed, you are agreeing with my conclusion. Should I take the
opposite view as you normally do?
My belief is that mankind will eventually find ways and means to
destroy all life as we know it. We are almost at this level now. The
only question is whether these means will be used. That
The strength of 3D-printed titanium can equal that of the traditionally
machined metal, says Dan Johns, who is printing strong, lightweight metal
parts for Bloodhound SSC, the rocket car aiming to break the land-speed
record in 2013.
3D printers can use metal, glass and various other materials.
Semiconductors can be printed, as can batteries.
Now I don't think there is any that can do all of these things of course.
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
I wrote:
It seems unlikely to
Ed, Jed
I have to poke my head up on this one. All you have to do is look at the SBIR I
believe its called. Been a while since I looked at it. It's the DOD/DOE wish
list they publish for public bidding. Small tech firms can look at this list
and propose creating the item. They get multiple
In the event that anyone is interested in the opinion of what many believe
to be the world's foremost living naturalist, E. O. Wilson, it is worth
getting his latest book The Social Conquest of Earth wherein he describes
the phenomenon of eusociality -- whether in animals or humans -- as a
driver
If we do not survive into the future then no one will be there to see that we
failed. This is kind of like the old question about whether or not a tree
falling in the woods makes a sound if no one hears it. On occasions I have
wondered if there have been other civilizations many millions of
Artificial intelligence will be in control of us if we are not smart enough to
place limits upon it. If the human brain can be effectively duplicated with
electronics it will become impossible to tell the difference between an android
with one and a normal person without difficulty. Will it
Fukushima remains an unsolved technical threat to us all.
A M8 earthquake alert has been issued by two Japanese government agencies.
“Another earthquake 8.0 or higher at Fukushima-Daiichi could topple the spent
fuel pool sitting 100 feet in the air on top of the damaged building of Unit 4.
Can he build me a P-08 luger? I would like to have one of these to collect.
They have a great appearance. All kidding aside, this is going to be a problem
in the future.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb
It will probably be a comet that takes us out at some point. Looks like
Mars may be in the crosshairs for Early Next Year. Best we hope those big
comets approaching the Sun don't break up and get squirrly. Uncertainty
Certainly
John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
3D printers can use metal, glass and various other materials.
Semiconductors can be printed, as can batteries.
Now I don't think there is any that can do all of these things of course.
I did not know that! They have made progress. I suppose you could
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Now, as you note, drones may give everyone a tool to gum up the works.
Once the hummingbird drones become armed and readily available, at least on
the black market, as I assume will happen before too long, they will be a
I wrote:
They kill very few, I suppose because birds are evolved to avoid large
moving objects in the sky such as tree branches waving in the wind.
Also, birds avoid whacking into other birds in crowded flocks, as we
discussed here recently.
I think there was a problem with small, rapidly
On Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:37:28 -0500 (EST)
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Artificial intelligence will be in control of us if we are not smart enough
to place limits upon it. If the human brain can be effectively duplicated
with electronics it will become impossible to tell the
additionally they are working on perfecting the ability to print organs,
arteries, ears, ect. using living cells and they are making incredible strides
in theses areas and i would expect by next decade amazing advances in these
technologies. there are projects on the internet where people are
Jed,
It seems your forecast maybe slightly off.
See /3D printing with metal: The final frontier of additive manufacturing/
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143552-3d-printing-with-metal-the-final-frontier-of-additive-manufacturing.
I see no intrinsic problem with using other materials and much
Can you imagine a large flock of birds traveling through a windmill farm?
Avoiding two types of collisions at the same time might overpower their
abilities. Someone should arrange it so that the windmills are along the
migration roots of starlings.
Dave
-Original Message-
From:
I hope so but I am not convinced that this will be so easy in the distant
future. I bet you will have great difficulty being sure about the species in
less than 100 years of development.
Hey, by the way the new generations are changing, I am not sure what regular
people will look like by
That is amazing. Let me know what you are able to build with this device.
Perhaps we all need one.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The limits of 3-D replicators
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 9:41 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
That is amazing. Let me know what you are able to build with this device.
Perhaps we all need one.
http://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_printing_a_human_kidney.html
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:26:49 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
The local heat energy release is large and can not escape the area except
through diffusion which is a slow process compared to the reaction time
associated with nuclear effects.
If the energy is released
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 6:59 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
If the energy is released in the form of a fast particle, then it does not
have
to depend on diffusion. A fast particle will rip through a lattice at high
speed, leaving a trail of ionized atoms in it's wake.
That provides a nice
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Now Jed, you are agreeing with my conclusion. Should I take the opposite
view as you normally do?
The difference is this. You think these things are increasingly likely and
we should worry about them. I think that in general the world is getting
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
It will probably be a comet that takes us out at some point.
Those things are not that difficult to stop, if we have 20 to 100 years
warning. We have successfully sent semi-autonomous robots to Mars. That
level of technology would be sufficient to stop
The DMLS (discrete metal laser sintered) printers by EOS industries can do
all sorts of metal.
I had a 3d regenativly cooled rocket motor built out of both stainless and
aluminum.
Not cheap, but amazing, one can build things 80% as strong as the base
metal,
and one can build things that would be
I agree. That is along the lines of what I was thinking since the linear
momentum appears to encourage that to happen. The angle of the cone shape is
not quite so easy to determine as far as I know.
Are you aware of a method that can be used to establish the expected cone
opening angle if
I previously tried to use the low cost stainless service from shpaeways
and it had issues with hollow parts and dimensional precision.
Indeed, their method can't do hollow, and the other method can't do
overhanging pieces.
So you can design something that is impossible to be made by either
Ok for an electrolytic cell loading seems conceptually simple.
For a dry gas cell, it seems more difficult...
Rossi and Delalkian seem to just do temperature... (if you believe their
devices work at all)
Some have talked about Rossi doing some sort of thermo-electic effect
Celani uses a big
Post 3
The design priority for the LENR+ developer of the micro-particle based
LENR+ system is to pack as many electrons into the volume of the reactor as
is conceivably possible.
The best way that this objective can be met is by using the photoelectric
production of electrons to its best
Actually not quite true...
I have hollow parts from shapeways... and overhung parts built with DMLS
To be more precise shapeways can not build hollow parts with small
passages that can not be emptied
while the part is in the green clay intermediate state before sintering.
Since both
When I said hollow I meant entirely, like a hollow sphere.
And when I was talking about overhangs I meant he non-powder method without
support.
The powder method has a weakness in a literal sense of the unfired part
being too fragile, shapways say to consider if it could be made with wet
sand.
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 25 Feb 2013 23:01:17 -0500 (EST):
Hi,
[snip]
If instead of a direct trigger by impact of the lower energy particle we
depend upon the instantaneous elevated kinetic energy absorbed by the nearby
sites then it is important to understand why the
The large concentrations of energetic electrons in the NAE will drive the
hydrogen ion and the positive nickel core of the atoms in the walls of the
NAE together under the influence of the Shukla Eliasson effect.
This condition can be briefly summarized conceptually as a nano-scale patch
of
I see what you refer to and this may be an important piece of the puzzle. The
main thing that concerns me is that we should be able to see the fast moving
energetic particles outside the material.
Do you recall reports of high energy radiation emerging from the crater type
regions or
In my thread, explaining the “Rossi type LENR reaction,” I have list 14
different reaction amplification processes so far with more to come.
The strength of the LENR reaction depends on the number of amplification
methods that the LENR designer can add to his design. A high Proton packing
level
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