Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread pagnucco
Dave, I am no expert on spin batteries, but I think that the battery material is driven to a stable state of high magnetic energy by subjecting its dipoles to a strong magnetic field. I believe that almost all of the energy at that point is in the magnetic field. I do not know how homogenous the

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread David Roberson
Lou, Are you suggesting that there is a natural store of magnetic spin energy which can be tapped by one of these devices? I am under the impression that they are extracting the overall magnetic energy due to internal alignment of the magnetic domains. In your concept, what does a material

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread David Roberson
Jones, If it performed that well, then it would be interesting. That amount of power extracted over such a long time period would represent a large amount of energy. I tend to think of the energy stored in a magnet as being relatively small since you can take an unmagnetized piece of materi

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread pagnucco
Jones, I believe that this places an approximate upper bound on how much energy can be stored in the magnetic field of a Kg of material without an externally supplied current, and that, if the output exceeds this bound, some other energy source is being tapped. The energy density given in the pre

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Jones Beene
Lou, This is very interesting, but being mostly related to electronics, it does not appear to be all that close to what Yildiz is doing … yet spintronics of a different sort could be involved somehow. Spintronics is a new way of incorporating nano-magnetic effects into electronics, which they hav

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Jones Beene
Yes I agree with your summary, Terry - but it does not have to be "either/or" in terms of repulsion/attraction. "Both" is possible. Take a lot at his patent application. He is doing something different. It's hard to say what is different, unless you speak good German, but I hope you will take a c

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, What if it runs for 1000 hrs at an average power of 100 watts ? Based on what he has told others, tempered by the reality of grossly overestimating the power output - this could be possible. It may not be ideal but it would be new physics and it would probably have commercia

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread pagnucco
Pardon if this is old news, but a 'spin battery' is potentially a very efficient energy source. From the presentation: "The Spin Battery" -- Stewart E. Barnes http://www.physics.miami.edu/~barnes/SpinBattery.pdf (SLIDE 30) Theoretical Maximum If one changes the magnetic state it is possible to r

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Terry Blanton
Just one other statement. Magnets in repulsion can be made to appear to be successful in a magmo. But the magnets are degraded in each cycle of the motor, much like striking the magnet with a hammer in each cycle. Eventually it fails. Magnetic motors working in attraction mode do not degrade th

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Terry Blanton
Jaded, yes. As one who spent over 2 years pursuing the magmo, I can honestly say that I am jaded. There is no larger reservoir of magmo configurations nor physical magnets than those of the now defunct M International. We spent about 2 megabucks. If you want to give an idea a try, we have the m

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread David Roberson
Jones, If all they are doing is draining energy from stored magnets then that will run out fairly soon. Most are expecting to see a device that runs essentially forever. At least that is what I am looking for. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Ap

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread James Bowery
Rather than complaining about "negativity" or going on, as Sterling does, about "the energy of the people" at the booth, how about helping out guys like Fletcher who are doing the hard work? On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > It is a surprise that there is quite a bit of nega

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: It is a surprise that there is quite a bit of negativity on vortex for this > demo. > There is negativity because there has been so much nonsense with magnetic motor claims. A lot of people have been burned. We are jaded. It is unfair to blame this person for previous mag. mot

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Jones Beene
It is a surprise that there is quite a bit of negativity on vortex for this demo. That skepticism could be related to the 5 or 6 other similar claims on Sterling Allan's PESN site which show signs of scam or trickery, but what is specific problem with this one ? ... A noted professor (Duarte) has

Re: [Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
Akira Shirakawa wrote: Maybe Celani has some photos to share that you could add to this page? Good idea. Will ask. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2013-04-13 00:12, Jed Rothwell wrote: See also: http://lenr-canr.org/?page_id=187#PhotosAccidents Maybe Celani has some photos to share that you could add to this page? Cheers S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
See also: http://lenr-canr.org/?page_id=187#PhotosAccidents

Re[Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread a.ashfield
Sorry for the double post. I sent the first post without adding [Vo] to it and when it didn't appear I sent it again but with that prefix. For future occasions, what is the correct procedure?

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread James Bowery
The air flow is restricted by the small distance between the motor and the blades. My intuition is that this restriction in mass flow would translate into a restriction in air velocity output hence be the equivalent of lowering the RPM proportionate the the lowering of mass flow. I base this on m

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Alan Fletcher
Oops : 16 x 10 (not 10 x 16) Thrust calculator http://members.jcom.home.ne.jp/4223215501/staticthrust.htm Plugging diameter 16" pitch 10" 2500 rpm and 100% efficiency gives 55W = 0.07HP I'm nor sure what the efficiency is for converting electrical input to motor shaft output. 80-90% ? It does

[Vo]:Review of movie "The Believers"

2013-04-12 Thread Jed Rothwell
[This may be a repeat message.] See: http://coldfusionnow.org/the-believers-the-movie/ This is depressing. This part is infuriating: "Released in October, 2012 The Believers is a documentary that tracks the dark side of the March 1989 announcement at the University of Utah that two respecte

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread Alan Fletcher
> From: "William Beaty" > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:16:29 PM > I don't know if such a thing is even possible. But from the history > of the "magnet motor" crowd, probably it can be done, just as long as > the rotor has near zero load and only must supply frictional losses to > some extreme

Re: [Vo]:test, is it alive?

2013-04-12 Thread Terry Blanton
It has been down for a couple of days. I monitor the eskimo yahoo group and did not see any notice. Maybe they didn't give one? :-) On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM, William Beaty wrote: > > eskimo.com ISP is transferring the software to a new machine. Something > went wrong? > > > > (

Re: [Vo]:test, is it alive?

2013-04-12 Thread Peter Gluck
nothing observed On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 10:07 PM, William Beaty wrote: > > eskimo.com ISP is transferring the software to a new machine. Something > went wrong? > > > > (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) > William J. BeatySCIENCE

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-12 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: You gotta love magic magnet motors. So beguiling! Reports like this come in every year or so. Nothing ever seems to come of them. The person demonstrating the motor never produces 10 of them to sell to other people, or does anything else. 1. Figure out

[Vo]:test, is it alive?

2013-04-12 Thread William Beaty
eskimo.com ISP is transferring the software to a new machine. Something went wrong? (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/pr

[Vo]:New presentation from Lattice Energy

2013-04-12 Thread pagnucco
The latest presentation from Lattice Energy -- "Powering the World to a Green LENR Future" - April 11 2013 http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/powering-the-world-to-a-green-lenr-future-lattice-energy-llcapril-11-2013 -- is a less technical exposition of W-L theory which includes a number of ob

[Vo]:Explosions possible with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread a.ashfield
Subject: Danger of EXPLOSION: possible cathalitic effects even at low temperatures. From: Francesco Celani Date: Fri, April 12, 2013 11:13 am To: [snip] @ gmail.com [snip] @ yahoo.fr, [snip ] @ ni.com, [omitted] @ chavaenergy.com, [omitted] @ missouri.edu, [omitted] @ nasa.gov Dear Colleagu

[Vo]:the Alien Scientist is back in action

2013-04-12 Thread fznidarsic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ykCWaVcjSA&ytsession=mTUCR-9nfG4bFSKpUnPFL_1p8WZNhj82daUrs2uPAPIdUMx4Kjq6Ms4dSfLk_Osb402xre2VHTx35qn9eKNwThlOrNVK6JKjETEF_4VDAXIbnjtTmWFI-g48dtVcVRpdsHnlmfoqlyYuXPVW2qhlkG5ESm-6anH5tRuSF2FtqJgsr536CDmutIhi1Jr8JVX9nRKvQBSMEuBZchz6k8-QZKur8l6r97tuhzPTcRUZzMW7hxA9JA8l_2

Re: [Vo]:Danger of explosions with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread Axil Axil
It seems to me that there is a resonance process involved in these cases. When the temperature of the system matches the geometry of the thermal reactive medium, a reaction begins. Like all LENR systems, the difficultly in predicting / reproducing the reaction is due to random factors in the nano-

Re: [Vo]:Danger of explosions with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread David Roberson
This should serve as a caution flag to experimenters. The effect that lead to the explosion needs to be determined and may serve as an additional clue about the process involved. It is not surprising that he saw a PTC which I believe is normally assumed at the higher typical temperatures of op

[Vo]:Danger of explosions with LENR

2013-04-12 Thread a.ashfield
Subject: Danger of EXPLOSION: possible cathalitic effects even at low temperatures. From: Francesco Celani Date: Fri, April 12, 2013 11:13 am To: [snip] @ gmail.com [snip] @ yahoo.fr, [snip ] @ ni.com, [omitted] @ chavaenergy.com, [omitted] @ missouri.edu, [omitted] @ nasa.gov Dear Colleagu