On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
In the case of HHO ...
I'm not convinced that there even is an HHO distinct from H2O, although I
do get a guilty pleasure out of following some of the accounts of what it
is supposed to be able to do.
Eric
as people know here, I have a tendency to follow conservative point of
view...
one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and
passengers, the trajectory, the end
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
usually I prefer situation where stupidity, ego
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
one hypothesis seems simple, and match the personality of the crew and
passengers, the trajectory, the end
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
This author says that hypothesis has to be wrong:
I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer. Those guys
were always out playing frisbee on the lawn at college.
Jeff Wise is a New York-based magazine writer and author of *Extreme Fear:
The Science of Your Mind in
From: Jed Rothwell
This author says that hypothesis [fire] has to be wrong:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/03/18/mh370_disappearance_chris
_goodfellow_s_theory_about_a_fire_and_langkawi.html
The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home found a
flight
I've heard few critics by pilots ...
one is that the airport is not the nearest... anyway it is the easiest.
second is that getting at high altitude making yoyo is amateur... and
trying to extinguish fire that way is movie plot.
third is that in fire, procedure is to communicate first...
fourth is
Last I heard Oxygen and fire do not mix well (for humans)
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore
given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire
started in
Guys,
I have a theory. Consider this a tier two theory that combines two other
theories...
http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/03/19/ok-i-do-have-a-theory-of-what-happened/
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:24 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Last I heard Oxygen and fire do not mix well
One more story of interest - relates to hidden motives
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture
-by-us-navy/
[snip] The latest twist on this story is that a search of the Pilot's home
found a flight simulator, and the flight data that had been erased from
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites) and was used to bomb
areas in Afghanistan:
Actually, there aren't:
http://goo.gl/LsLjBL
Lots
The USAF stooddown on Sept. 14, 2007 possibly to find the missing
nuke. Here is a discussion:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:58 AM, a.ashfield a.ashfi...@verizon.net wrote:
Jones,
Where did you get the idea one warhead went missing?
See
Wow
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites)...
Actually, there aren't:
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
Here is another story on that connection, notably that this airport has
hangars for B-52s (could hide a 777 from satellites)...
Actually, there aren't:
http://goo.gl/LsLjBL
Lots of B52s sitting in the open, though.
As this Fox report says,
From: Edmund Storms
I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The
airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of
the pilots because they are actually hybrids.
You
They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal
rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours from
the rest of the planet.
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
I'm really disappointed in this group, given their high intelligence and
fantastic imagination, for not suggesting the obvious explanation. The
airplane was captured by a ET mothership. This was done with the help of the
pilots because they are actually hybrids. The goal is to show the
In one of the articles I read which was written by a pilot, and therefore
given more 'believability', the pilot makes the argument that a fire started
in the cockpit and the smoke rendered the flight crew unconscious and
eventually dead. I guess the expert 'pilot' writing that story conveniently
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
Yes but still displaced by solar orbit wrt the galaxy :_)
Yes, your comment applies to the physical location, not to the temporal
location. As we know, time and space are not located in the same place. ;-)
Ed Storms
From: Edmund
Yes but still displaced by solar orbit wrt the galaxy :_)
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:06 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:OT what's up with conspiracy theories these
days?
On Mar 19, 2014, at
On Mar 19, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote:
They should be scanning our orbital trail in case it encountered a temporal
rift and rematerialized in the same spatial coordinates displaced by hours
from the rest of the planet.
Now you are one to something, Roarty. Consequently, the
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban?
Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ... no better explanation
has
surfaced.
A water spout sucked it into a Keplerian orbital WIMP sinkhole.
Ockham is about to slit his throat.
Ed Storms
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:21 AM, James Bowery wrote:
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Did the missing jetliner fly into an area controlled by the Taliban?
Apparently there was enough fuel ... and, well ...
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from this list.
The flight was full. :-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 1:07 pm
Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000
ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I would believe a
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I would believe a pilot before a liberal arts magazine writer.
I cannot judge, but it seems extremely unlikely to me that the pilot or
copilot would not contact air traffic control and declare an emergency in
the event of a fire. That only takes a moment.
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe it wasn't a fire, maybe it was a sudden breach of the cabin @ 35,000
ft with 500 MPH winds in their face and no oxygen...who knows
Pilots always have oxygen. They have oxygen masks. These are much better
than ones that passengers get, with goggles.
Things happen fast at 500 MPH. They had just reached cruising altitude
maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out...
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart
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ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Things happen fast at 500 MPH. They had just reached cruising altitude
maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked out...
The airplane continued to fly for many hours after the event that caused
the IFF to go off and the airplane to deviate
that is a serious point.
some say that they first tried to same the plane
aviate-navigate-communicate, but some remind in case of fire the
directive is communicate first then work on the fire. som answer to that
saying the pilot was young (2000h flight)
did they have radio contact ? it seems
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
some say that they first tried to same the plane
aviate-navigate-communicate, but some remind in case of fire the
directive is communicate first then work on the fire.
They had many hours to deal with the emergency, assuming it started with
the
You are assuming the pilots were alive.
If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
heads.
If it was a government they have just kidnapped/killed 220+ civilians,
which makes no sense to me.
What makes sense is that the pilot diverted to the closest large runway and
Mark,
That was a good paper, thanks for posting
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 2:04 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
You might look at this paper as well; I've mentioned it many moons ago.
Polarizable vacuum analysis of electric and magnetic fields, Xing-Hao Ye
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about
237 dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the
Cargo bay and continue on, as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from a
recent overhaul.
So,
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
IOW the stop in Diego Garcia was merely to refuel, repaint - ditch about 237
dead corpses, remove the suspicious cargo, load the Minot nuke in the Cargo
bay and continue on as if it was now a PIA airplane, returning from
Ok, I was assuming they were too busy and then time ran out
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
You are assuming the pilots were alive.
No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
You are assuming the pilots were alive.
No, I am addressing the Goodfellow hypothesis, which is that they were
alive but too busy to call for help.
If they were terrorists they have mostly left people scratching their
heads.
That is a different
In researching my near field electromagnetic inertia concept (which MUST
occur if near-field transmission is niot instantaneous) I found research
that seems to indicate that until a photon detaches the near-field seems to
propagate instantaneously.
I should also note the possibly obvious, near-fields are not necessarily
near.
They can can be extremely distant if the frequency is low or infinite if
essentially zero.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:49 AM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote:
In researching my near field electromagnetic
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
OK - I was thinking of the theme song, which cuts in here - you know the one
Crimea River ...
Groan Okay, since it was most recently in a Brit flick V for
Vendetta we need a Brit to sing it:
You have no idea what you are talking abut. Speaking as a fromer B52 pilot.
Ron
--On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:02 PM -0400 ChemE Stewart
cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Things happen fast at 500 MPH. They had just reached cruising altitude
maybe one of them was back in the head and got sucked
-Original Message-
From: Ron Wormus
... Speaking as a former B52 pilot.
Hey Ron,
What is your take on this disappearing plane incident?
As I recall a few years back, you were a little concerned that the truth about
the missing Minot nuke was being told...
Jones
Jones,
With the information we have it's impossible to say.
It seems suspicious (if true) that the plane maneuvered after passing a
logical emergency landing site. The only reason the iff (transponder)
wouldn't be switched to emergency squawk is a very bad electrical fire
where the procedure
Dave wrote:
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from this
list.
Been there, done that... don't like their beer!
;-)
-Mark
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:19 AM, David Roberson wrote:
It appears that the aliens failed to include a few passengers from
this list. The
U R welcome, ChemE!
Does anyone know if the astronauts have ever done the magnet and
iron-filings kind of thing while in zero-g???
Anyone know of such an experiment done in a vacuum in 1g???
Is my assumption valid that the mag-field lines would still be
obvious... i.e., that this is
Magnetic field lines can be mapped using a compass. Iron-filings act like
miniature compass needles when sprinkled on paper covering a magnet.
Friction between the paper and an iron-filing ensures the iron-filing will
pivot like a compass needle. In zero-g the iron-filings would need to be
placed
Ed sez:
Ockham is about to slit his throat.
To paraphrase a famous saying from the movie CE3K
Occam was one of them ;-)
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:10:37 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn the skin
of your hand.
Tungsten does not vaporize. It doesn't even melt. Instead, it oxidizes in the
flame, and the oxide sublimates. I have seen this
What temperature does this sublimation process occur at?
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 17 Mar 2014 23:10:37 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Why is a HHO flame able to vaporize tungsten and yet will not burn the
skin
of your hand.
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