Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
Jones- By hot fusion I mean fusion that occurs because a hot incoming particle is able to overcome the coulomb barrier and fuse to the target. Production particles from fusion coming out at high energy do not constitute hot fusion in my book. Bob - Original Message - From: "Jones B

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
Terry-- Your theory is sane. That's my theory too. Bob - Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62 This is making my theory of electron absorption by multi particle spin coupling look sane.

Re: [Vo]:Paradox Effect, Haisch Rhueda and virtual particles wrt Casimir effect

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Walker
Fran, You should use paragraph breaks. They would make your contributions easier to read. Eric On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > [image: http://www.byzipp.com/gamma.png] > > > > > > Sorry in advance, this is a work in progress initiated

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Bob Higgins wrote: I stand by my remarks about the inability of his 1500V-2500V supply to be > able to accelerate electrons or protons to 1.5-2.5 keV due to high pressure > scattering collisions in his high density plasma. > An analogy I use for the discharge exp

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > > I remember that the SPAWAR experiments indicated He formed with the > correct 24... Mev energy of a D-D fusion reaction. > In the SPAWAR experiments I recall ~ 10-15 MeV alphas -- I might have missed a CR-39 paper that says the energy is more

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Has he looked for helium? That would be evidence for cold fusion. If he has > "not detected any" because he refused to look, that proves nothing. > I'm pretty sure Mills isn't using a PdD system. That is the only system of which I am aware th

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: In other words excess heat produces significantly more than the background > from diffusion, but much less than the atmospheric background. > For sure. It is not the absolute magnitude of the signal that matters (in this case 4He), it is the

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-16 Thread Axil Axil
Decoherence of the combined wave function makes the tunneling event and the release of binding energy. should read Decoherence of the combined wave function *marks* the tunneling event and the release of binding energy. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.o

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-16 Thread Axil Axil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function_collapse Wave function collapse In quantum mechanics , *wave function collapse* is the phenomenon in which a wave function —initially in a superposition

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread H Veeder
Sorry, I was too brief. I was only speaking about the decision to not redesign or relocate the plant, so I agree with Bob I suspect somebody of influence on the business end read the sunami memo and "buried" it because he immediately realised there would be costly implications and time delays for t

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * Claytor's results are not hot fusion because: 1) it only works with certain wire cathodes - the cathode condensed matter must be present and in the right form or there will be no tritium, and 2) the neutron rate he produces is very low (4E-9 of tritium) -

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-16 Thread Terry Blanton
This is making my theory of electron absorption by multi particle spin coupling look sane.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 14 Sep 2014 02:22:31 -0400: Hi, [snip] >*That means interactions with other parts of the nucleus are possible, but > not with other atoms* > >I took this to mean that cluster fusion could not happen because of the >speed of light. Cluster fusion could happe

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:16:38 -0400: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > > >> Randy has talked to hot fusioneers, and as a consequence believes that >> fusion is >> very dangerous. Consequently he wants nothing to do with it. > > >This is a peculiar attitude. Widespread, but pe

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:00:58 -0500: Hi James, I wouldn't hunt too hard if I were you. I haven't said much more on this particular issue in the past than I said recently. I would be happy to answer any particular questions you might have. [snip] >This is of no s

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Axil Axil
Things may be more complicated than are imaged here. The helium ash produce might not be the end product of the completed reaction. The helium might be a transient step in a long string of ascending fusion reactions that start with the proton/proton(PP) initial reaction and end with boron or beryll

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, Claytor's results are not hot fusion because: 1) it only works with certain wire cathodes - the cathode condensed matter must be present and in the right form or there will be no tritium, and 2) the neutron rate he produces is very low (4E-9 of tritium) - not characteristic of hot fusion. T

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
That is precisely my point Bob. They DID SEE TRITIUM so they did get fusion. When DD fuses to He, on occasion you should see the strong photon even if there is another mechanism which can thermalize the energy most of the time in ways which are not fatal to the experimenter. And you should se

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- I remember that the SPAWAR experiments indicated He formed with the correct 24... Mev energy of a D-D fusion reaction. The evidence was in the CR-39 detectors that they used. They also saw tritium and its characteristic path in the Cr-39 detectors. Check out the report of SPAWAR that

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
wrote: > Randy has talked to hot fusioneers, and as a consequence believes that > fusion is > very dangerous. Consequently he wants nothing to do with it. This is a peculiar attitude. Widespread, but peculiar. "His" reaction might be cold fusion. It is what it is. It makes no difference what h

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread mixent
In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:19:00 +0300: Hi, [snip] >No sorry I have only told that you can ask Mills. Not more not less. But he >is against any connection of hydrinos with CF, LENR. Sorry for the >confusion. >Peter Randy has talked to hot fusioneers, and as a consequ

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins * Your attempt to dismiss the Claytor tritium results as being "high voltage" is again specious. The voltages being used are not capable of producing hot fusion. His voltage is capable, and the is no “dismissal,” and the “high” is relative to electrolysis. Guess

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: I’m sorry but that is not what Miles seems to be saying now. > That's what he told me. I consulted with him at length when I wrote the paper about him. He & I went over it many times. > You are putting words in his mouth. In any event, the rate measured is > incredibly low

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, You are making specious arguments that are below the quality level of your posts. Yes, you are correct and Jed is correct in the arguments that the diffusion of He and Argon in Miles' experiments are essentially constants - note the (s)! When the amount on the inside and outside are far fr

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
I’m sorry but that is not what Miles seems to be saying now. You are putting words in his mouth. In any event, the rate measured is incredibly low – well below any confidence level and well below atmospheric levels - so it is of negligible value. It is milliwatt level, in a world begging for kil

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- I think you are correct about the differences between He and Argon diffusion rates. I think the diameter of the diffusing entity in question is also important. The bigger the diameter the slower the diffusion, if it is possible at all in any given medium. The temperature of the medi

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > For the collection flasks he could have used anything. It was too late. > > Helium diffuses into the electrolysis cell itself during the operation. > Yes, some does come in. This amount can be measured in a null experiment. It is the background amount. As it happens, Miles

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell *Helium alone cannot leak IN without argon. Complete nonsense ! Helium has an enormous diffusion rate through Pyrex glass. Argon has almost none. Check the MIT site if you want a source. * First, he

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > The bottom line - even if f/H could facilitate fusion > > > Notation question: Does "f/H" mean "fractional Rydberg states of hydrogen"?

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread James Bowery
I am excruciatingly aware that Mills denies not only that there is no connection between hydrinos and He ash in amounts consistent with excess heat -- but that he denies that such He ash even exists. In the absence of another explanatory theory, such as Robin van Spaandonk's, either one of those d

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
I will save anyone the trouble of asking Mills. He absolutely and unequivocally says that there is no helium formation as a result of the hydrino reaction. Robin and others have tried to plow a pathway between LENR and BLP with the suggestion that hydrinos could facilitate the fusion rea

Re: [Vo]:X-Prize and "TERMS and Conditions" !

2014-09-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
I think that's just for comments you make on their blog postings. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Ron Kita wrote: > Hmm: copy and paste of "terms and conditions: > *What We Do With Your Content*. By posting Your Content, you are telling > us that it is exclusively and truly yours, you are

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > > Helium alone cannot leak IN without argon. > > > > Complete nonsense ! > > > > Helium has an enormous diffusion rate through Pyrex glass. Argon has > almost none. Check the MIT site if you want a source. > First, he was not using Pyrex glass; he used steel collection fla

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Peter Gluck
No sorry I have only told that you can ask Mills. Not more not less. But he is against any connection of hydrinos with CF, LENR. Sorry for the confusion. Peter On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:15 PM, James Bowery wrote: > You are confusing me. First you say that Mills, on your blog, was a > person oth

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread James Bowery
You are confusing me. First you say that Mills, on your blog, was a person other than Robin van Spaandonk to offer a theory explaining He ash in amounts that match excess heat that is consistent with hydrino production and then you _appear_ (poor grammar so hard tell) to say that Mills has no such

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Peter Gluck
the absence of theory means Randy thinks NO connection. To be discussed with him. Peter On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, James Bowery wrote: > According to Google, there is only one hit for helium and mills on the > egoout blog: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2013_11_01_archive.html > > an

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread James Bowery
According to Google, there is only one hit for helium and mills on the egoout blog: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2013_11_01_archive.html and it does not contain any such theory. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Jed > I answered to James, his hope is in Robin van Spa

RE: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell > Helium alone cannot leak IN without argon. Complete nonsense ! Helium has an enormous diffusion rate through Pyrex glass. Argon has almost none. Check the MIT site if you want a source. Even if Argon could diffuse in, which it cannot – Grahams Law would mean the

Re: [Vo]:X-Prize and "TERMS and Conditions" !

2014-09-16 Thread Ron Kita
Hmm: copy and paste of "terms and conditions: *What We Do With Your Content*. By posting Your Content, you are telling us that it is exclusively and truly yours, you are providing it gratuitously and without restriction, and that you agree to grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensab

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Peter Gluck
Jed I answered to James, his hope is in Robin van Spaandonk. to link hydrinos with He. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter Gluck wrote: > > The second person could be Randy Mills himself- see what he has told on my >> blog. >> > > What second person? What do you mean? >

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
As I recall, SPAWARS (Naval Research) per Mosier-Boss etal., had good justification for He ash in the Pd-D system. They were close to George Miley I believe. The following links are pertinent to SPAWAR effort: http://coldfusioninformation.com/organisations/spawar/ http://www.ecoinventions.ca/

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Gluck wrote: The second person could be Randy Mills himself- see what he has told on my > blog. > What second person? What do you mean? - Jed

Re: [Vo]:X-Prize and "TERMS and Conditions" !

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker wrote: http://www.xprize.org/terms-and-conditions > > Which term specifically? Wall of text.. > A lot of it all caps, no less: WE SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR INCIDENTAL, PUNITIVE, EXEMPLARY, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, LOST PROFITS OR FOR ANY OTHER SIMILAR DAMAGES AR

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Peter Gluck
The second person could be Randy Mills himself- see what he has told on my blog. Peter On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:00 PM, James Bowery wrote: > This is of no small interest to me as I'm currently holding off on using > up one of my more influential contacts on Mills/BLP pending the resolution, > i

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: > Perhaps engineers should go back and reconsider their previous decisions > in light of the serious consequences pertaining to nuclear meltdowns. It > may be determined that the risk exceeds the benefits of using nuclear power. > They are doing that. I think all but two

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
The quicker the smokers collapse and clean grids and clean distributed power sources are established, the better the world will be. Smoking energy has had its fling in civilization and now its time to move on. Let it compete on an equal footing with other energy sources. Coal and oil and gas

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread James Bowery
This is of no small interest to me as I'm currently holding off on using up one of my more influential contacts on Mills/BLP pending the resolution, in my mind, of the He4/heat correlation issue relative to Mills. The only person I know of who has put forth an explanation for how hydrino formation

Re: [Vo]:X-Prize and "TERMS and Conditions" !

2014-09-16 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
http://www.xprize.org/terms-and-conditions Which term specifically? Wall of text.. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Ron Kita wrote: > Greetings Vortex, > > I am not sure if anybody talked about the "terms and conditions" > that is located at the ...very bottom of the website...on the > left:

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
To correct some voice input errors: Helium alone cannot leak IN without argon. I mean the atmospheric He to Ar ratio is fixed. I gave him links to my paper and to my sources -- WHICH say the same thing . . . I did not make this stiff up, as Dave Barry used to say. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread David Roberson
I agree with you Jed. There are always a large number of unforeseen consequences associated with most complex decisions. The best that we can do is to anticipate the most likely ones and that appears to be what these guys did. Perhaps engineers should go back and reconsider their previous dec

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Cook wrote: > I suspect that the optional location of secure generators and supplies of > fuel were found to be too costly by the Nuclear Village decision makers in > Japan. > It would not have cost anything to construct the fuel tanks on the landward side of the reactor building. That woul

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
Harry-- I would conclude the answer to your question is an loud, NO. However the fear of no good technical understanding nor honest technical management SHOULD PARALYZE US into no action. Bob - Original Message - From: H Veeder To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, Septembe

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Foks0904 . wrote: Jones -- Posting private correspondences is a quasi-childish thing to do, > something Krivit specializes in. You're not "blowing the lid" off some > amazing story. > Well I do not see anything wrong with posting that. It does not seem private to me. But as I said, all of these

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > It is almost unbelievable that a few regular posters on CMNS would say > that Miles work is proof of a good correlation, when it actually appears to > show that all - 100% - of the helium measured could easily have diffused > into system from the outside. That is completel

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Bob Cook
Jed-- I agree looking for a scapegoat is not warranted. However looking for design requirement inadequacy is a necessary and desirable function to understand the DETAILS of the mistake in the design procedure and the corrective action necessary. Many times the expediency of the construction

Re: [Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Foks0904 .
Jones -- Posting private correspondences is a quasi-childish thing to do, something Krivit specializes in. You're not "blowing the lid" off some amazing story. I'm pretty sure that's also how Krivit rationalized every distasteful decision he's made. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Jones Beene w

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
H Veeder wrote: > ​ > ​<< > We cannot be paralyzed into inaction by fear​>> > > > Should we be pushed into action by greed masquerading as the need for > economic growth? > People need electricity. In the 1970s it was reasonable to think that nuclear power was a clean, safe alternative to coal.

[Vo]:A Stake in the Heart - a stunning revelation

2014-09-16 Thread Jones Beene
Wow. This is a stunner. I'm not on CMNS because of their policy of insularity - so I cannot verify that the following message actually appeared, but it seems to be further devastation to the widely held notion that helium and excess heat can be well-correlated in LENR, even though it comes from o

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread H Veeder
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > After the accident, a memo surfaced saying, "we should worry about the > possibility of a large tsunami." In other words, someone foresaw the > problem. An expert interviewed on NHK talked about this. He said: "You will > always find a m

Re: [Vo]:NY Times: "Sun and Wind Alter Global Landscape, Leaving Utilities Behind"

2014-09-16 Thread Jed Rothwell
a.ashfield wrote: > > I'd love to know if the decision to place the stand-by generators in the > basement was a result of budget restraints or a conscious engineering > decision. > I wouldn't know how that came about. But these reactors are lavishly funded and they usually go way over budget so

[Vo]:Paradox Effect, Haisch Rhueda and virtual particles wrt Casimir effect

2014-09-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
[http://www.byzipp.com/gamma.png] Sorry in advance, this is a work in progress initiated by a desire to offer a more succinct argument regarding the relativistic theory of Casimir effect. The gist of the concept is that mainstream has convinced the world of how difficult it is to reach relati

[Vo]:surface tension discovery

2014-09-16 Thread Roarty, Francis X
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140915153951.htm .. The thought that occurs to me from the perspective of my ZPE pet theories is if the reconfigured metal blobs can do work in excess of the pwr supplied by the +-1v . that is the submerged metal blob in its naturals s