Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: When I queried DGT about comparing their products using glycol to AR's use of diathermic oil, I got this response: "We do not wish to comment any further the differences between products and any lab prototype, which are huge." :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/10/19 Jed Rothwell : > I should point out that Dennis has in mind using the temperature of the > water in the swimming pool, rather than the flow Delta T. > That seems tricky to me because the test will run for many hours and it is I do not believe that megawatt demonstration is too tricky or

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Michele Comitini wrote: > http://www.youreporter.it/foto_Incendio_alla_centrale_elettrica_foto_dei_pompieri_1_1 > > That electric transformer contained diathermic oil! > I know it is not easy to handle as it can burn as any mineral oil. Yes, Michele, I thought of

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Michele Comitini
http://www.youreporter.it/foto_Incendio_alla_centrale_elettrica_foto_dei_pompieri_1_1 That electric transformer contained diathermic oil! I know it is not easy to handle as it can burn as any mineral oil. mic 2011/10/20 Terry Blanton : > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Michele Comitini > wrot

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Michele Comitini wrote: > Terry, > > you mean this? > > http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53062.html Yes! He said he would use diathermic oil. This seems to be common in Italy with several patents held by Italian inventors. Here's a brief descr

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Big_Boy I already posted a picture of the above as an example of a machine that had thermal power of at least 10MW. Those locomotives were made around 1940. They ran at 80mph max speed. . . . Sure. No one disputes that people

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Probably a Freudian slip but I wrote: There is a reason why people nowadays demand ultrahigh-tech test-everything-to-the-n'th degree before you turn on the first time, and OSHA rules galore. It is a conspiracy to prevent innovation. I meant it is NOT a conspiracy to prevent innovation. That is

RE: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
t: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Big_Boy I already posted a picture of the above as an example of a machine that had thermal power of at least 10MW. Those locomotives were made aroun

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Michele Comitini
Terry, you mean this? http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg53062.html mic 2011/10/19 Terry Blanton : > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson > wrote: > >> This does not bode well from my POV. Granted it is conceivable that >> Rossi DOES have access to a

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Michele Comitini
From: Jed Rothwell > To: vortex-l > Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 1:35 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just > hot water under 100 C? > > Robert Lynn wrote: > >> Actually pretty easy, just parallel together 3-4 truck radiator

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread David Roberson
l need a slight size reduction to become a successful replacement for that truck engine. We have a long way to go. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam",

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > I guess you would do this as flow calorimetry where the inlet temperature > keeps rising. It is not generally a good idea let the inlet temperature > fluctuate, but in this case I guess you have to live with that. > I should point out that Dennis has in mind using the temperature of t

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Dennis Cravens pointed out to me that you do not need a fire hydrant water main to do this test with water only, instead of steam. You can use a heavy-duty pump and pump the water from a swimming pool, through the device, and back to the swimming pool. That is another clever idea which never

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn wrote: Actually pretty easy, just parallel together 3-4 truck radiators or 10 car radiators (quite cheap) with standard cooling fans on them and pump water around with an open header tank. Wow. You are right. A large truck produces 425 hp, which is 316 kW. It takes a lot more tha

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Terry Blanton
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:51 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > This does not bode well from my POV. Granted it is conceivable that > Rossi DOES have access to a fire hydrant's worth of flowing water, and > running that much water through his prototype is what he intends to do > - but I

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Robert Lynn
Actually pretty easy, just parallel together 3-4 truck radiators or 10 car radiators (quite cheap) with standard cooling fans on them and pump water around with an open header tank. Or spray hot water in air stream from a fan and collect it in a catch tank for re-use (as thermal power stations do)

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread David Roberson
ed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C? Thanks for all the interesting input pertaining to whether Rossi may ave already tested his one MW prototype. There are a lot of revailing opinions on that matter. I have appreciated reading them ll. I hope others have found the

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Jed: >> On a related topic I have also been under the impression >> that Rossi was NOT planning on producing steam as the final >> output product - only hot water below the temperature of 100 C. > That is what he said months ago. Evidently he changed his mind. > > It would be rather challen

Re: [Vo]:Is Rossi's 1MW demo supposed to output "steam", or just hot water under 100 C?

2011-10-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > > On a related topic I have also been under the impression that Rossi > was NOT planning on producing steam as the final output product - only > hot water below the temperature of 100 C. That is what he said months ago. Evidently he changed his mind. It w