Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

At 11:34 AM 8/9/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Part I : audio & accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. "Disguised" or " Masquerading" proton -- Coulomb repu

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

Part I : audio & accent is hard to follow, impossible to read the slides -- I guess it's in the unavailable PDF Showed SEM's of Nickel powder and foam. LENR happens in Active Nuclear Environment. "Disguised" or " Masquerading" proton -- Coulomb repulsion zero for a very short window Everythin

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > Unfortunately, even though I'm logged in, the DGT forum software says that: > >> You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to >> this post. > > > So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. Same here an

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

In the presentation it says they open their offices next month. 2012/8/9 Alan J Fletcher > > At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, > Canada > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

1. Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion at http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs At the very end he says that they ARE moving from Greece to Vancouver, Canada

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

I will send you. Then, you do it :) 2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa > On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote: > >> I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you >> need too? >> > > Could you upload the file somewhere? > Google Docs, Dropbox, etc. > > Cheers, > S.A. > > > --

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

It seems they only have a vague idea about what happens. They need special conditions in the lattice, they didn't specify exactly what, they just called it NAE, like Storms do. And that transmutation happens. They did not claim any particular theory. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

On 2012-08-09 20:04, Daniel Rocha wrote: I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? Could you upload the file somewhere? Google Docs, Dropbox, etc. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

I didn't have any problem. But I am registered their forums. Maybe you need too? 2012/8/9 Akira Shirakawa > > So I can't download the technical presentation in pdf. > > Cheers, > S.A. > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT at NIWeek2012

On 2012-08-09 19:33, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, Videos (direct links) Alex Xanthoulis in LENR panel discussion http://youtu.be/0iKCLHxmISs Technical presentation Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_BjWSuX3zE Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNclBoLgYP0 Part 3 - http://ww

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

. Dave -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax To: vortex-l ; vortex-l Sent: Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:02 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) At 07:09 PM 7/19/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.com>a...@lomaxd

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

At 07:09 PM 7/19/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: Well, Jed, you may be right. However, when I wrote that Pons and Fleischmann only had one out of six cells work -- I really don't recall where I got that idea, and it might

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > Well, Jed, you may be right. However, when I wrote that Pons and > Fleischmann only had one out of six cells work -- I really don't recall > where I got that idea, and it might be from later work, whatever -- I was > immediately corrected with a claim from someone wh

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

At 01:30 PM 7/19/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: Do people here know that Pons and Fleischmann were seeing 100% of their cells showing excess heat at the time that they announced? I do not recall that every sample worked

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

seems rational. Rossi have a big history of hiding problems, and anticipating success. DGT seems more rational, but you can have various opinions. mine is optimistic. I interpret the silence after the tests as new tests and as stability problems that push them, rationally to stop claiming much. T

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Do people here know that Pons and Fleischmann were seeing 100% of their > cells showing excess heat at the time that they announced? I do not recall that every sample worked. Most of them did. It was no mystery why. This was Pd developed by Johnson-Matthey for hydroge

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

the two claimed change in the test are the following : - first they did full calorimetry, while they initially wanted just rough test to convince skeptics... - second they decided to make analysis of burned reactants What seems evident is that the testers take the control of the situation, which i

RE: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

The speculation is pretty reasonable. While I prefer to leave all the cards on the table until we know more, I'll say that the behavior of Rossi and DGT has been consistent with a hypothesis that Rossi did see some kind of major heat effect, and maybe even had some cells -- or a single cell -

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

On 2012-07-19 17:11, Alain Sepeda wrote: the problem seems to be that client don't trust a greek company, so they don't pay, yet. Don't forget that they talk about Escrow account. maybe also the payment is spread in time. for now maybe they only have debt and technology. another reason is that

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

If there are hundreds of investors, there should be hundreds of investigators doing "due diligence" research on the technology. Due diligence would include talking to experts in the field. Most agents would be willing to share news of the deal in return for quality information from the expert. Q: T

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

the problem seems to be that client don't trust a greek company, so they don't pay, yet. Don't forget that they talk about Escrow account. maybe also the payment is spread in time. for now maybe they only have debt and technology. another reason is that they might try to make pressure about tax r

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote: according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave Greece. Source is unclear and we are used to better English from Xanthoulis. Maybe this is a translation by someone from a Greek letter. By the way, come to think about it, what happened

RE: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

vie rights alone are worth millions. -Mark From: Chemical Engineer [mailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) Just tell Defkalion to setup a US Company of which the Greek com

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

They are still busy deciding on the electric car's future... On Wednesday, July 18, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Craig Brown > > > wrote: > > How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party > > validation. > > Until Standard Oil of NJ appro

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Craig Brown wrote: > How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party > validation. Until Standard Oil of NJ approves. :-) T

RE: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

How much longer can this continue until there is some proper 3rd party validation. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> Date: Thu, July 19, 2012 10:03 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I h

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Just tell Defkalion to setup a US Company of which the Greek company will be a subsidiary, call Stephen Chu and apply to the US Dept of Energy for a $1.6B loan guarantee for independent green power production in California (equivalent to 40, $40M license agreements). Spend at least 5% of that loan

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

her entity. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) Frank Acland wrote: Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their claims on the cold fusion expe

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Jojo Jaro wrote: My conclusion is: This company is getting ready to abscond. Correct me if > I'm wrong and argue from facts, not opinion. I am willing to be wrong > about this. > No one outside the company can know whether you are right or wrong. None of us has any facts to go on. You are spe

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Frank Acland wrote: Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their > claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said "NASA, US Navy, > publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and > universities abroad* have visited us and have turned t

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Jed, on your point 2 -- to me they seem not be saying they base their claims on the cold fusion experiments of others. They said "NASA, US Navy, publicly traded companies from America, Canada, Germany and England and universities abroad* have visited us and have turned their attention to our achiev

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

about this. Jojo - Original Message - From: "Akira Shirakawa" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:45 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote: according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave Greece.

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Akira Shirakawa wrote: > > To put it bluntly, it looks like a last call for potential investors, > implicitly urging them to hurry and take advantage of this opportunity > before DGTG will go elsewhere. This statement gives me a bad impression as well, for two reasons: 1. The letter seems to b

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

Seems to me, Peter Gluck may be the one to ask. - Original Message - From: "Akira Shirakawa" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?) On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote: according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p

Re: [Vo]:defkalion considering to leave Greece (?)

On 2012-07-18 23:01, Andre Blum wrote: according to http://lenrnews.eu/?p=113, DGTG is considering to leave Greece. Source is unclear and we are used to better English from Xanthoulis. Maybe this is a translation by someone from a Greek letter. Wording aside (it appears it's a translation from

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:52:40 -0700: Hi Jones, I agree with your conclusion. I would add that Rossi claims to have initially seen some of those gammas. What I would suggest is that essentially he gets a runaway reaction when fusion actually occurs, and this is als

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jones Beene wrote: First off – we probably need a better terminology base than “gamma > suppression” as it is used in medicine and other fields. > > Radiation shielding is well known, and if the further concept is that some > new kind of active shielding can repla

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene wrote: *Thermacore ran a nickel hydrogen test cell for over a year and no > transmutation was reported. *To me that says it all,* *and nothing from > Piantelli comes close to having the credibility of this Hi-Tech company. > I am unfamiliar with this

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

From: Eric Walker I can see how your line of reasoning leads to Casimir/ZPE/Mills as a single-miracle explanation. But I don't see how it argues against gamma suppression if we rule out significant Ni->Cu reactions. I've probably missed an important detail. Fir

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

provided LENR is real (which I think is 'true', whatever that means.) Does anybody believe that the whole world suddenly switches to an effect, which basically is unexplained? It's risks unknown? Please explain! If you cannot: Please shut up! Thank You! Guenter __

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

50 Sonntag, 1.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012 Both Rossi and Piantelli show significant transmutation of light elements from nickel which most probably come from a form of a multiple fission process. Cheers:   Axil

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

From: Axil Axil Piantelli ran three tests using the same reactor. two show no Cr and Mn and one that did. If electromigation from the heater was happening, all three tests would have shown it. Sorry - that is not at all unusual. Three tests is far from adequate under any circumstance. W

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Jones Beene wrote: But most observers realize by now that Pd-D is extremely different from > Ni-H, just as hydrogen is extremely different from deuterium… the 2:1 mass > difference indicates the smoking gun of transmutation with D …. > I haven't gotten this sense

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

*"which is the obvious source of the Cr since, as it is an alloy of the heater, it is electrically charged. 304 alloy also has 2% Mn. Most of the transition metals are mobile when electrically charged, especially with pressurized H2."* Piantelli ran three tests using the same reactor. two show no

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

From: Axil Axil * The most interesting result is shown in Fig. 13: new elements (Cr and Mn) were detected in a wide region of a sample. This is mundane. Cr and Mn are found in 304 stainless, which is what his reactor is made of. This is clearly electromigration – not an anomaly. In fa

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

It more complicated than that. SOMETIMES there is no high energy relaxation of the excited nucleus and sometimes there is. The miracle must explain how thermalization of high energy nuclear events turns off and back on based on a unique condition or a sensitive parameter associated with the miracle

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > A "natural > ratio" of copper in the ash would make it three separate miracles which are > absolutely necessary for Rossi/Focardi. Certainly necessary for his beautification! St. Rossi, patron of free energy. (Just watched Liz Shue in "The S

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jones Beene wrote: IOW - there is extremely low gamma radiation and extremely low > transmutation, but lots of heat. The process of elimination should suffice > for now, when there is too little solid evidence to back three miracles, > instead of one... so to spea

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

Robin, Rhetorical question ... We've been over this many times, yet a few observers continue to believe Rossi/Focardi must have got it right: that nickel transmutes to copper, despite the lack of evidence for that proposition and the nearly insurmountable evidence against. The copper in the ash (

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:53:06 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Curiously this is precisely in the >spectrum that Bianchini/Levi was looking at, in Rossi's original >demonstration (the positron spectrum). Why were they looking there? Because 98% of the time, the Copper isotope C

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

From: Guenter Wildgruber The LENR crowd is split on the issue: a) the ones welcoming transmutations without recognizing what a can of worms would be opened by that b) the others claiming only 'soft' transitions like

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

Axil, interesting May I remind of this woomera guy: March 25th he reported this on Chris Martenson's site: ... I was told that they were trying to actually see what happens in their device with some glass with a melting point of 1500degc.  They saw it light up like the sun and then it melted

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012

On 2012-06-29 19:41, Axil Axil wrote: From DEFKALION: [...] Thanks for the update. For the record, this is the news source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-06-29_Defkalion%20Status%20Update.pdf Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:defkalion rumour (PESN)

Von: Alan J Fletcher An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 1:42 Dienstag, 22.Mai 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:defkalion rumour (PESN) >> http://pesn.com/2012/05/17/9602095_LENR-to-Market_Weekly_May17/ Sterling's Assessment: ...The scuttlebutt is t

Re: [Vo]:defkalion rumour (PESN)

If AR really has the NRL on his side, he is likely to beat PDGT to the draw; but, will it become public first? Time will tell. T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion forum's open again

Why do you think it is open? Looks the same as before. T On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/index.php > > But no new posts   is something about to happen? > > (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the defkal

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

G'Day, See success reported here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html Warm Regards, Reliable Chemical Engineer wrote: So a langmuir torch created by the spark plug gap in the hydrogen atmosphere to produce mono hydrogen with reactor temp controlled by: 1) Plug

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

So a langmuir torch created by the spark plug gap in the hydrogen atmosphere to produce mono hydrogen with reactor temp controlled by: 1) Plug Voltage/gap distance/arc 2) Distance from plug to core/microparticles of Ni/other 3) Removal of heat thru heat xfer surface/fluid 4) Maybe every once in a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

Guys, The original DGT lab bench photos also showed what looked like a spark plug wire and some type of plug (without ceramics) as far as I could tell. Also a large ground wire on the reactor block On Monday, May 21, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jojo Jaro 'jth...@hotmail.com');>> wrote: > >> >>

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

Jojo Jaro wrote: > > I know I am harping on this spark plug thing, but the sooner "replicators" > get over this doubt, the sooner we can focus on the corect replication > design. It does appear the evidence for sparks being integral to the > process is mounting. > I agree. The notion that the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

t: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:29:59 +0800 Seems to me that Woomera (Who appears to be an actual eyewitness) is confirming for us the presence, importance and use of the 2 spark plugs.  Page 16 does show 2 orange wires that appe

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

d. Jojo - Original Message - From: Robert Leguillon To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding So, arcing in a hydrogen environment produces monoatomic hydrogen from diatomi

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_hydrogen_welding So, arcing in a hydrogen environment produces monoatomic hydrogen from diatomic hydrogen, eh? From: jth...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 19:29:59 +0800 Seems to me that Woomera

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

Seems to me that Woomera (Who appears to be an actual eyewitness) is confirming for us the presence, importance and use of the 2 spark plugs. Page 16 does show 2 orange wires that appear to be spark plug cables. (Off-the-shelf Spark Plug cables do have brightly colored red or orange insulation

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion has 21 Jobs posted - Mats twitter a/c hacked : speculation

At 11:24 AM 5/2/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Hat-tip to Mats Lewan : Defkalion posts job listing for 21 professionals < http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/defkalion-posts-job-listing-for-21-professionals/ > Mats' twitter account got hacked ... I got an email purportedly from him sayin

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies Communicates With Interested Parties

After viewing the lightning, back to: Ni + H H From: 1. Pressure tank 2. Metal Hydride via heat decomposition 3. Plasma arc decomposition of Hydrocarbon (See:  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=kvaerner%20carbon%20black%20%26%20hydrogen%20process&so

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies Communicates With Interested Parties

No, it was preliminary specification only: (from press release last Nov) "The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012." t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies Communicates With Interested Parties

" It plans to have a fully operational prototype ready by July 2012." I thought those machines on their products sheet were already final products! Now, they are back to pre prototype stage 2012/4/13 Akira Shirakawa > Via E-Cat World: > > http://www.e-catworld.com/**2012/04/defkalion-green-

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

>> should . My problem was only sorted by only one supplier in all of >> Australia and Ken tracked that company down and built the >> gadget for me . >> >> Hope that helps >> >> Pete >> >> -- >> From:

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

oblem , he > should . My problem was only sorted by only one supplier in all of > Australia and Ken tracked that company down and built the > gadget for me . > > Hope that helps > > Pete > > -- > From: jth...@hotmail.com > To: Vor

RE: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

. Hope that helps Pete From: jth...@hotmail.com To: Vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:54:20 +0800 Going to the Rayotek site looking for a single product is an exercise in frustration management. That site is freaking useless. I

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

Going to the Rayotek site looking for a single product is an exercise in frustration management. That site is freaking useless. I want to buy a 1/4" NPT sight glass that can withstand 1000 PSI and 1000C, and after browsing that site for over 30 minutes, I could not find a single product with c

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

I hear Greggy is in a spot of bovver!! http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/L...$file/Insolvency_guide_for_directors.pdf Consequences of insolvent trading There are various penalties and consequences of insolvent trading, including civil penalties, compensation proceedings and criminal char

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

Not very likely! Extracted from ASIC's database at AEST 07:18:16 on 25/03/2012 NameGREEN & GOLD ENERGY PTY LTD ACN 126 956 714 ABN 77 126 956 714 TypeAustralian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares Registration Date 08/08/2007 Next Review Date08/08/2012 Status ** UNDER EXTE

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

Woomera said: “I was told what their working theory was, but they really don't know what is going on. They have brought in several academics with a myraid of explanations.” DGT thought they knew what was going on, they had a working theory. Now this glass burnup incident has DGT totally flabber

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

This line from Woomera strikes me both interesting and odd: "I was told that they were trying to actually see what happens in their device with some glass with a melting point of 1500degc. They saw it light up like the sun and then it melted the glass. This just took a second or two. " If the r

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

'woomera' says Defkalion has all their EU certificates. I wouldn't know where to look, but if this is true, wouldn't it be possible to confirm the certification by checking an EU governmental website? harry On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Interesting ... but I hope it is

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

Von: Axil Axil An: Guenter Wildgruber Gesendet: 21:47 Sonntag, 25.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness Axil said:  > this factoid from Woomera if it is to be believed is fascinating and revealing. ... I wonder why DGT told him that. T

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

> Interesting ... but I hope it isn't that Aussie Guy . > > Interesting comments a couple of posts down, too, concerning > Rossi and a report of the 1MW going unstable during the test. > > - Original Message - > > there is a guy 'woomera' over at Chris Martensons forum, who > > claims

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Alan Fletcher wrote: > Interesting ... but I hope it isn't that Aussie Guy . > > My thoughts, too. I wrote PDGT to ask if the post was true. I'll let the list know if they respond. T

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

Interesting ... but I hope it isn't that Aussie Guy . Interesting comments a couple of posts down, too, concerning Rossi and a report of the 1MW going unstable during the test. - Original Message - > there is a guy 'woomera' over at Chris Martensons forum, who claims to > have visite

Re: [Vo]:defkalion eyewitness

there is a guy 'woomera' over at Chris Martensons forum, who claims to have visited Defkalion: ... G'Day, I was JUST in Athens and met with representatives of Defkalion.  They told me that they were going to begin selling their LENR device this July 2012. 

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed

t;...> >To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" >Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 9:09 AM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed > > >I think that Defkalion has now reached the point where chattering in Internet >chat room is no longer relevant, because they can let the raw data to speak >for them. Data is what we want and words are irrelevant. >

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed

*Ithink that it is a problem of image in front of very conservative officials... anyway "la nature a horreur du vide" http://www.defkalion.se/ don't know if it is a good forum... * 2012/3/2 Jarold McWilliams > I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't > think i

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed

Jarold, I do not understand from where this myth is spreading. Defkalion has not violated anything they have said. There has already been made two out of seven independent validation tests following precisely the test protocol. And they were successful as far as we know. Too bad that Dick Sm

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed

I don't think the skepticism was bad at all on their forums. I also don't think it is the reason they shut down the forum. Why wouldn't they just ban them? The only thing anyone should care about at this point is independent verification. I don't know what they were expecting from a forum.

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Forum Closed

This is all because of the MaryYugo's of the world.  Irrational fear of the unknown coupled with a twisted desire to preserve scientific dogma. They would not have closed the forum had it not been for these clowns who think a scam lurks around every corner in their sad lives. Original Me

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

It seems that the straw that broke the camel's back was a poster eluding to Defkalion/Praxen being a possible front organization for laundering money out of Greece. There were two or three posters that were not just acting like spoilt children, but making accusations that would make any potentia

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

The forum is more than a place to answer questions and make annoucements. If Defkalion listened carefully, the forum is telling them how to communicate more effectively with ALL their supporters, not just the adoring fans. The adoring fans and pathological skeptics always seem to roughly balance in

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

Von: Craig Brown An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:37 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again >They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended). So what do You want to

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

m, and now Defkalion.This place also came close also until Hody and co were told their services were no longer needed. They were flushed down the plughole and disappeared in a VORTEX (pun intended). Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again From:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

Yes, I don't know why they had the forum in the first place. What are they expecting if they aren't willing to do an independent test? I didn't think the posts on the forum were that bad for any party. I didn't think the skepticism was unreasonable, but I did think running a forum was pretty

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

Von: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:37 Mittwoch, 29.Februar 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again Chill out! Go get some authentic Greek Worry Beads! My two cents

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

>> Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum >> of this nature up and running for as long as they had. > > The odd thing is:  it's not closed yet.  I just posted a message.  WTF? They must like you, Terry. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzl

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:37 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum > of this nature up and running for as long as they had. The odd thing is: it's not closed yet. I just posted a message. WTF? T

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

>From DGT: > The situation now is different in that our openness > creates problems that can damage the success of this project. ... Some may agree, and some may disagree with DGT's stated reasons for closing their forum. Personally, I'm surprised that DGT actually had a controversial forum of

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion shutting down their forum .. again

> The situation now is different in that our openness > creates problems that can damage the success of this project. That's BS. It's the lack of openness which has caused them problems. Reminds me of a certain political administration. T

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>What can we do with this information? Maybe just ask them if they really attended the tests. 2012/2/28 Peter Gluck > I think the results - in essence- are much more important than the > testers- at least this time. > Say it were the Greek Ministers for Industry, Energy and Environment - > each

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I think the results - in essence- are much more important than the testers- at least this time. Say it were the Greek Ministers for Industry, Energy and Environment - each with three consultants plus the Vice-President for Technology of the Greek Academy. What can we do with this information? Peter

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>what did you expect from a corp... Let us know at least who attended the tests ? Too hard ?

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