Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Axil Axil
Yes Take a look to an elegant redefinition of scientific fundamentals as apeared in an early paper of Aris Chatzichristos at http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=426 He may be the technical backbone of DGT, the equal to or the belter of Rossi. On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:54 AM, Eric Wal

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: This is not true. That's what I can say. > > And why are you calling Peter Gluck and Yianni's son a nobody? > I don't think anyone would call Peter a nobody. I'm curious -- what is the name of Yianni's son? Is it Aris Chatzichristos? Eric

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Axil Axil
Jed: "If you are forced to close down a lab and fire everyone after spending 7 million Euros, that does not impress your investors or your inner circle." I can understand the reason for this. When a company knows little in a specified field, they spend money to hire employees and consultants to fi

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Axil Axil
I have been increasing impressed by the stiletto sharp precision of your writing. It would be tragic and a disservice to adulterate it with the home spun platitudes that you referenced. We all must struggle under the restrictions of our limitations. Always try to improve, don't backslide. On Fri

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander. ... you may also be > at risk of being an another tool of Defkalian’s maskirovka. > Where do you get these idioms and turns of phrase? If there is a good Web site out there, please point me

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Axil Axil
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > There are no facts! THERE ARE NO DETAILS! That is my whole point. That's > what I have been saying, again and again. Defkalion has published NOTHING. > No one paper. Not so much as a calibration curve. > In preamble, remember that even som

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
Huh, yes. You are deluding yourself. They do have a lab. http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/ManningIE110.pdf 2014-04-11 23:36 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > I am not interpreting anything! > > - Jed > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: That is, instead of defending a group, he is targeting a single one without > proofs and telling things that are not true, such as their lab in Athens > being closed . . . > Look, Daniel, get a grip! THEY SAID IT IS CLOSED. Most of the people there left the company. The other

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is true. But, my mouth is very charyt! 2014-04-11 23:26 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > They said that many experts visited them and confirmed the results. > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, I am not casting doubt on Jed. On the contrary, I raised the point that due his credibility, making a point which he doesn't have a proof would hurt the future of the world. I would, indeed, call Jed a negative Krivit look alike, an anti DGT. That is, instead of defending a group, he is targeti

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > > Jed is always very short on details and is seldom open at first he just > states his opinion as true and says "trust me". Name names. Give us every > detail. Put a stake through the heart of Defkalion or stop the Joe McCarthy > impersonation. Getting the real facts out of Jed

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > What's good for the goose is also good for the gander. How does Jed know > that Defkalion isn't playing the same low profile game? With the world's > major intelligence agencies watching them, it's smart to get as small as > possible? Maybe here too Jed is just a tool in this D

RE: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Daniel, Calling Jed a "Liar" and then claiming he is "...throwing a tantrum" over the DGT matter is, IMO, not winning you many converts. Quite frankly, some of your recent posts strike me as possessing an emotionally charged need on your part to play the role of an advocate for DGT's questionab

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Oh, you raised the question! Tell me the name of those who complained about > failed tests! > See the book. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Axil Axil
Jed: "Edison knew he had solved the problem, but he had a lot of work left, [so] more intellectual property [was] there for the taking. Low hanging fruit. He did not want his competition to take him too seriously. On the other hand, he needed more big bucks from the investors and banks. It was a de

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
Oh, you raised the question! Tell me the name of those who complained about failed tests! 2014-04-11 22:51 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > > Stop talking about me. Tell us what you know. > > - Jed > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: This is not true. That's what I can say. > > And why are you calling Peter Gluck and Yianni's son a nobody? > Peter Gluck is retired as far as I know. He told me he is too old to travel. He is not working in a lab for Defkalion, that's for sure. I have never heard of Yianni'

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is not true. That's what I can say. And why are you calling Peter Gluck and Yianni's son a nobody? 2014-04-11 22:37 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > > Obviously, they did not get it, because they still have no employees. > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: So, is it OK to accuse DGT of anything without providing any names, photos? > I am not "accusing" them of anything. They themselves announced they were closing down operations in Greece, years ago. One or two of their people moved to Canada. The rest of the staff quit. They

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, is it OK to accuse DGT of anything without providing any names, photos? You just say you know. And I am not calling "people" "liars", just you. That's because you should be the first to know how fragile cold fusion is, but you are shamelessly badmouthing a company that may really change world.

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: Of course, I will read it. You are also throwing a tantrum, nevertheless. > No, I am not. That is only happening in your imagination. You need to get a grip. Also, you need to stop calling people "liars" here. That is not acceptable in this forum. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ian Walker wrote: > > People seem to have missed the fact the patent office have said Rossi's > patent will succeed without reservation if he shows a working product, this > means Rossi's product goes live within six months from the date the patent > was put in abeyance. > > > In order for

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
Of course, I will read it. You are also throwing a tantrum, nevertheless. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Ian Walker
Hi all I posted some of this earlier but I think people missed it as I posted it with different heading to every one else in the thread. I particularly want people to pay attentions as to why I think Rossi's patent is in point of fact a perfect patent trap, set to succeed at the MOMENT OF MARKET

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Lennart Thornros
Jed, I understand that you are well informed about Rossi and Defkalion. I am glad that you confirm what I read on and between the lines. Here are a few comments. Let me say I think you nailed it when you said "he is italian". I would say he is a very unusual Italian as he is hard working. That ther

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: > > I know who they were. I have photos of them and their equipment. >> >> > Lier. > > >> By who? >> > Read the book and you will see. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
2014-04-11 16:58 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > I know who they were. I have photos of them and their equipment. > > Lier. > By who? > > > You > - Jed > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: > I do not see why he would lie about the factory being in Florida. > > > Let me guess. No business license so competitors cannot find him, no > OSHA to deal with, undocumented workers, wages paid out of pocket, taxes > avoided, corners cut ... the list goes on. > > > > "The

RE: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell I do not see why he would lie about the factory being in Florida. Let me guess. No business license so competitors cannot find him, no OSHA to deal with, undocumented workers, wages paid out of pocket, taxes avoided, corners cut . the list goes on. "The underground eco

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha wrote: No proof and no telling of who were those people. > I know who they were. I have photos of them and their equipment. I have not finished the book. I do not know if it describes the people at Defkalion. > Only the frustrated tantrum. > By who? > Also, Edison knew how

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
There are some controversies described in the book which strike me as comical. They remind me of debates over whether Shakespeare wrote his plays or whether it was another man of the same name. For example, Lewan describes Rossi's claim that he had a factory in Florida where they manufactured compo

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Daniel Rocha
No proof and no telling of who were those people. Only the frustrated tantrum. Also, Edison knew how to issue a patent. Rossi is lost. 2014-04-11 16:42 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell : > The impressive people left, 'cause they weren't paid. > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
There is a lot of great stuff in this book. The account is accurate as far as I know. You never can tell where the truth lies with Rossi, but this is pretty much what I have heard from various people. Lewan downplays the severity of some of the incidents, such as NASA's visit to Rossi. The parts a

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-10 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
That's a good sign. Because the reality is, no one is going to care whatsoever about Rossi's quirks if he really has what he says he has. I think that's what Rossi is thinking too. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Okay, I have the book. The .mobi version opens automatica

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-09 Thread Alan Fletcher
I think so too, but I am surprised AR did not go ape shit on him. Mats describes right up front how he asked Rossi if he was OK with reporting the truth as he sees it. He's unflattering about Rossi but he never says he thinks that the eCat's fake, or that Rossi outright lied. We all

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Lennart Thornros wrote: > Dont you think AR should be criticised by a journalist who maintain > integrity? I think so. > I think so too, but I am surprised AR did not go ape shit on him. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-09 Thread a.ashfield
I used the free program Calibre to read the epub file on my computer. It works very well and does a lot of other things too. I Thought the book well written and it certainly fleshed out some details for me. The criticisms were as much because of circumstances as anything Rossi did wrong. Ro

Re: [Vo]:Lewan book

2014-04-09 Thread Lennart Thornros
You are smarter than I.:) I could not open with the Kindle app. I used the Kindle for android. Are those programs different. I found a epub app in the plays-tore, with some help from Mats, which opens it. Dont you think AR should be criticised by a journalist who maintain integrity? I think so. I