Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
Good Job Stephen! Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with the background image and relevant sizes and then nesting a span inside that h1. That nested span

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread William Stewart
I agree with you, Ross. CSS is so much cleaner and easier. I made the jump from tables to CSS (with the help of TopStyle Pro) and I haven't looked back. Kudos to Stephen for doing it right. Will Professional Graphics Artist Certified Web Designer (BCIP) Stewart and Company --

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Using display: none defeats the purpose if accessibility is your concern. That's the Fahrner technique see: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/ They see the same thing you report when css is on and images off. You need to position it off page with a negative (or really high) margin. Might

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Ross Clutterbuck
Cheryl I'm not a big fan of image replacement anyway but since we can do so much with web design/development these days (Microsoft browsers permitting of course) but also have so many different aspects to consider 9 times in 10 I move more towards keeping things accessible and don't bother with

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Stephen Caudill
Ross Clutterbuck wrote: Good Job Stephen! Thanks Ross! Means a lot coming from the Master of the Universe and all :) Re your image replacement for the title - exactly which flavour are you using? I don't think I've seen one which uses an empty span. My personal preference is styling the h1 with

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Cheryl D Wise
FWIW, I don't use the image replacement techniques either since plain text alt tags especially when combined with structural mark-up so the alt gets the proper heading mark-up without images is best in most circumstances. Nice to have options though if needed due to special circumstances. As

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Stephen Caudill
Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align=center? Oh lord. No telling, really. I guess old habits die hard. I've fixed that Say Drew, you're on *nix right? Is that what you tested on? Using Konqueror?

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates as transitional, but line 33 is: div id=cartWrapper align=center align

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Stephen Caudill
Trusz, Andrew wrote: I am on mandrake at home, at work it's an agency custom image of xp. That may sound innocent but it should make you shudder to the roots of your soul. If you can wait about 2 hours I'll let you know how it looks on Konqueror. Sure! It's not really a biggie, but I am

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Should look about the same as the report I gave you on Safari. It is based on Konqueror. Cheryl D. Wise Certified Professional Web Developer Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://wiserways.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Trusz, Andrew wrote: Looks good and all, validates

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Trusz, Andrew wrote: LOL @ agency custom image of xp... My last work place had custom versions of IE 5.5 that were installed as part

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Linda Cole
Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Thanks, Linda • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Stephen Caudill
Trusz, Andrew wrote: No you can't imagine that! Nobody is that depraved. This is a sustained, decades long, group effort rooted in ever compounding bad decisions. Oh, sure I can! I've developed along side too many MicroSoftHeads to not be able to imagine it. Glad you're not having to suffer

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Stephen Caudill
Linda Cole wrote: Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Oooh! I like the new interface :) And you can get an RSS feed too??

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Trusz, Andrew
Oh good you were listening! -Original Message- From: Linda Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Linda Cole
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Drew: Oh since I haven't figured out (or even found) the new web based interface for the list, I'll have to shoot the reply to the gmail box if that's ok? http://intm

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Linda Cole
http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk Oooh! I like the new interface :) And you can get an RSS feed too?? Well, it's not well formed, but I can still pull it up in FeedDemon :) Snifty! Any way we could we get a link put on WDVL to this? I believe it's in the works to have it

re:[wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Trusz, Andrew
Well, one significant problem in Konquerer 3.1.4. The navigation list loads but then becomes obscured. The links change from words to a symbol which looks like stacked equilaeral triangles turned on edge. Other than that, the page looks fine. And you're right, Stephen, the web interface is

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-08 Thread Stephen Caudill
Trusz, Andrew wrote: Well, one significant problem in Konquerer 3.1.4. The navigation list loads but then becomes obscured. The links change from words to a symbol which looks like stacked equilaeral triangles turned on edge. Other than that, the page looks fine. And you're right, Stephen, the

[wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and it's due for delivery today, so feedback is much appreciated. I'm especially interested to hear from the mac users on the

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scheme is good, etc. Nice site. Cheers, Scott - Original Message - From: Stephen Caudill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:07 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread William Stewart
-- www.stewartandcompany.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- W: 304.550.2687 Rt. 1 Box 364 Buffalo, WV 25033 -Original Message- From: Stephen Caudill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com Was wondering if I could get a few folks

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win XP SP2 SlimBrowser 4.02.004 (Tabbed interface, IE engine) hnnh. You just never know :) 1024 x 768 300+ KB/sec Page loaded quickly, but with this connection speed that's probably not a significant metric. I don't have any modem-connected systems anymore, so I can't

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
William Stewart wrote: Stephen, Congratulations on a solid design. Everything worked like it was supposed to and it looks great. Let's just hope that the client likes it! :) Thanks Will :) I can't take all the credit though. I'm not the graphic maven behind it, just the code jockey. I've

Re:[wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
No mac-users out there? Gotta be one... just a cursory glance would be appreciated. tia, Stephen Stephen Caudill wrote: Was wondering if I could get a few folks to mosey by: http://lf.mechavox.com/ And let me know if they encounter any display quirks. This is a template, one page only and

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread PBC Web Design
Stephen, Verrry nice =) I really like it and those drop downs look great! Love the pen/paper/ink on the right. Viewing Firefox on XP, 800x600 and 1024x768. Love the effect when it opens up to 1024x768, super! Deb www.puterbug.com At 11:07 AM 12/7/2004, you wrote: Was wondering if I could

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
PBC Web Design wrote: Stephen, Verrry nice =) I really like it and those drop downs look great! Love the pen/paper/ink on the right. Viewing Firefox on XP, 800x600 and 1024x768. Love the effect when it opens up to 1024x768, super! Thanks Deb! Again, I must hat-tip the designer. He's

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Gerrie Warner
to satart is the Special Areas page, :-) http://lf.mechavox.com/ • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
Gerrie Warner wrote: to satart is the Special Areas page, Thanks Gerrie! Good catch :) - Stephen • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Looks nice, works well and I didn't notice the lag in Firefox mentioned earlier. I did see more of a lag in IE both in some of the images loading and on the first rollover. Which brings up another point, if I were just using IE I wouldn't stay on the site long because on my tablet pc the text is

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
Cheryl D Wise wrote: Looks nice, works well and I didn't notice the lag in Firefox mentioned earlier. I did see more of a lag in IE both in some of the images loading and on the first rollover. Which brings up another point, if I were just using IE I wouldn't stay on the site long because on my

RE: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Cheryl D Wise
Re the fixed font size argument with your designer, take a screenshot, reduce it to 55% of the size (assuming you have an 800x600 monitor) then resave it and send it to the designer and say it is a screenshot as seen by someone on a high resolution medium to high end system. If you need to you can

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread John Hughes
Stephen, I can test on a mac on netscape 7 in the morning if you have the time for that? John. • The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM • To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/

Re: [wdvltalk] SCR: lf.mechavox.com

2004-12-07 Thread Stephen Caudill
Thanks John, but it flapped it's little wings off to the client around an hour ago :) They're fine with serving IE5.2 no style sheet (along with NS 4.x) and when they checked on their mac in Safari 1.1, they didn't see anything out of place :) All's well that ends well... Thanks, Stephen On