On 05/12/2009, at 6:29 AM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>
>> So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
>>
>> FOR MySQL
>> - Free
>
> So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
>
>> - Easy to setup and configure
>
> Uh, it doe
On 05/12/2009, at 12:02 AM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
> Hi Kieran,
>
> Have you tried vertical inheritance with MySQL?
He wouldn't have. I have and continue to.
> I have Animal->Cat->Leopard. I try to create a leopard and it fails because
>
> com.webobjects.eoaccess.EOGeneralAdaptorException:
On 04/12/2009, at 11:17 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Fair enough. Finally, we have one specific strike against it. ;-)
Two actually. Non transactional ddl operations.
> Since we have Delete rules in the EOModel, is this feature a "safety net"
> that is needed for external non-WO apps that are a
On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:07 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 17:46 , Mike Schrag wrote:
That's what I'm referring ... I have not used it, only read about
it enough to be intrigued by it. It requires your entire database
to be loaded into memory, but memory is pretty damn cheap. If
It's not about load balancing for me, it's about resiliency.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:09 PM, "Miguel Arroz" wrote:
Hey!
On 2009/12/05, at 01:46, Mike Schrag wrote:
And I'm not talking about asynchronous replication, I'm talking
about real multi-master cluster with guarantee
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 18:23 , Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>> Hmmm. Way back when we used it, it wasn't reliable. Every now and then
>> slaves had to be completely rebuild. And it also wasn't straightforward as
>> soon as something wasn't as expected.
>
> In 4.1 there was the occasional hiccup where yo
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 17:46 , Mike Schrag wrote:
> That's what I'm referring ... I have not used it, only read about it enough
> to be intrigued by it. It requires your entire database to be loaded into
> memory, but memory is pretty damn cheap. If you have a truly HUGE database,
> this is not an
On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Wow, did not realize full-featured FB was free - makes it worth
looking at now
Damn we are a cheap bunch!:-)
It is has been free for a few years now. Definitely a contender.
- however if Mike S started using MySQL, then switching is
On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 16:48 , Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
[Free]
So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
MySQL Administrator is pretty nice to have. At least I don't have
to shell out $150 on Navicat. Does postgres/frontbase/other h
Wow, did not realize full-featured FB was free - makes it worth
looking at now - however if Mike S started using MySQL, then switching
is unlikely because MySQL integration will only get better! ;-)
On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
FOR MySQL
- Free
So is PG, FrontBase, and ot
On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 11:16 , Kieran Kelleher wrote:
So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
FOR MySQL
- Free
- Easy to setup and configure
- Clustering engine
I have read a bit about this part as I'm always curious about
Hey!
On 2009/12/05, at 01:46, Mike Schrag wrote:
And I'm not talking about asynchronous replication, I'm talking
about real multi-master cluster with guaranteed integrity.
That's what I'm referring ... I have not used it, only read about it
enough to be intrigued by it. It requires your enti
>> So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
>>
>> FOR MySQL
>> - Free
>> - Easy to setup and configure
>> - Clustering engine
>
> I have read a bit about this part as I'm always curious about synchronous
> multi-master clustering support in DBs. From Are people here referring
On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 16:48 , Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
[Free]
So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
MySQL Administrator is pretty nice to have. At least I don't have
to shell out $150 on Navicat. Does postgres/frontbase/other hav
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 17:20 , Chuck Hill wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
>>>
>>> AGAINST MySQL
>>> - Lack of deferred constraints
>>> - Lack of transactional DDL (roll back failing migrations for example). As
>>> Mike pointed out, neither does Oracle, so not alone there.
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 16:48 , Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
[Free]
>> So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
>
>
> MySQL Administrator is pretty nice to have. At least I don't have to shell
> out $150 on Navicat. Does postgres/frontbase/other have decent free tools?
PGAdmin always did wh
On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
AGAINST MySQL
- Lack of deferred constraints
- Lack of transactional DDL (roll back failing migrations for
example). As Mike pointed out, neither does Oracle, so not alone
there.
All toys ... :-P
Now, now Guido. Oracle is not a toy. It
On Dec 4, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
FOR MySQL
- Free
So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
MySQL
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 11:16 , Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
>
> FOR MySQL
> - Free
> - Easy to setup and configure
> - Clustering engine
I have read a bit about this part as I'm always curious about synchronous
multi-master clustering support
On Dec 4, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
>
>> So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
>>
>> FOR MySQL
>> - Free
>
> So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
MySQL Administrator is pretty nice to have.
A must read for anyone interested in software patents:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009151305785
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Greetings All,
My company, K12, is looking for WebObjects people. We have up to 3 openings,
and are open to Java people or .Net people who can be re-trained, but if we can
find WO people, so much the better. We are located (for those who don't know
us) very close to Dulles Airport in Herndon,
On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Guido Neitzer wrote:
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 09:43 , Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Hi Guido shiver? is it that cold in California? ;-)
Yeah, it actually is in the morning. At least it feels like this
after a lng summer.
Fair points. This has been a good
On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
FOR MySQL
- Free
So is PG, FrontBase, and others so no a major Pro
- Easy to setup and configure
Uh, it does not work correctly out of the box so I think this is a con
- Clu
So, to sum up the pros and cons we heard in the discussion:
FOR MySQL
- Free
- Easy to setup and configure
- Clustering engine
- Easy reliable replication
AGAINST MySQL
- Lack of deferred constraints
- Lack of transactional DDL (roll back failing migrations for
example). As Mike pointed out, n
On 4. Dec. 2009, at 09:43 , Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Hi Guido shiver? is it that cold in California? ;-)
Yeah, it actually is in the morning. At least it feels like this after a
lng summer.
> Fair points. This has been a good discussion.
>
> What is the workaround ... is it t
On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Not to mention the small issue of indexes. So Kieran, you are
manually creating indexes to compensate for lack of FK constraints?
Yes I am :-)... now the achilles heel of MySQL has been
exposed!
Wow. Uh. Speechless. Me!
On Dec 4, 2009, at 12:49 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:48 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
The lack of deferred constraints prevents one using foreign key
constraints in MySQL (InnoDB specifically supports FK
constraints). The
On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Jon Nolan wrote:
I have had a problem with variations on this since my early days
with WO and I've never solved it to my satisfaction. Time to ask
for help.
* Page has a display group (ERXBatchingDisplayGroup) using EC1 in
the fetch spec. For the sake of exa
On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:27 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
I don't use EOModel inheritance any more. It is a PITA. Not worth
the hassle.
I've never found that to be the case. What trouble were you having?
Chuck
Using Strategy design pattern to composite in different behaviours
works better for
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Hi Guido shiver? is it that cold in California? ;-)
Fair points. This has been a good discussion.
What is the workaround ... is it that we must write a delegate
to do ordering of updates like Chuck did for MS SQL Server? Is th
On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:48 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Actually, let me rephrase that. My brain was not working earlier
since I had not yet had breakfast :-)
M. Guinness!
Damn! That was MY line you just used!
The lack of deferred c
On Dec 4, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Ramsey,
Just remove the FK constraints in MySQL. WO works fine without them
since EOF takes care of it. If a database does not support deferred
constraints, then you should not add FK constraints at all.
I once advocated that too, long
On Dec 4, 2009, at 5:02 AM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
Hi Kieran,
Have you tried vertical inheritance with MySQL? I have Animal->Cat-
>Leopard. I try to create a leopard and it fails because
com.webobjects.eoaccess.EOGeneralAdaptorException:
EvaluateExpression failed: $MySQLExpression: "I
Hi Guido shiver? is it that cold in California? ;-)
Fair points. This has been a good discussion.
What is the workaround ... is it that we must write a delegate to
do ordering of updates like Chuck did for MS SQL Server? Is that
right? Chuck?
-Kieran
On Dec 4, 2009, at 12:04
Why does this make me shiver? I'd like to have my DB take care of structural
integrity for me as
1) I will make coding mistakes,
2) It is rare, that ONLY WO touches a DB,
3) I will not rely on EOF always doing the thing I expect it to do.
Not having FK constraints is about as wrong as using MyI
For Ajax pages I use Wonder's AjaxFlickrBatchNavigation. That needs to
be inside the update container too.
On Dec 4, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Jon Nolan wrote:
Thanks Kieran. Good advice. Off the top it appears I might still
have trouble with my batch navigation bar (any thoughts on that?)
but
Thanks Kieran. Good advice. Off the top it appears I might still have
trouble with my batch navigation bar (any thoughts on that?) but I'll
give it a go.
Kieran Kelleher wrote:
Clarification, I would of course make a local instance in the same ec
as the display group before doing that! :-)
Clarification, I would of course make a local instance in the same ec
as the display group before doing that! :-) IIRC,
ERXBatchingDisplayGroup may have some behaviours that are different to
regular ERXDisplayGroup but cannot remmeber off the top of my head.
On Dec 4, 2009, at 10:43 AM
Hi Jon,
I typically use a peer ec, and once user submits the new item, I would
do sth like this (which I just copied/pasted from working code. BTW,
the display group is ERXDisplayGroup and is using a DetailDataSource
in this case:
recipientsDisplayGroup().insertObjectAtIndex
I have had a problem with variations on this since my early days with WO
and I've never solved it to my satisfaction. Time to ask for help.
* Page has a display group (ERXBatchingDisplayGroup) using EC1 in the
fetch spec. For the sake of example the EOs in the list are colors - 25
total with
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Actually, let me rephrase that. My brain was not working earlier since I had
> not yet had breakfast :-)
M. Guinness!
> The lack of deferred constraints prevents one using foreign key constraints
> in MySQL (InnoDB specifically supports
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> and boy is it easy to add new flavors of behaviour ...
You've been on this side of the pond too long. You are mixing your
misspellings. :-P
Dave
David Avendasora
Senior Software Engineer
K12, Inc.
*
WebObjects Documentation Wiki :
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Actually, let me rephrase that. My brain was not working earlier since I had
> not yet had breakfast :-)
M. Guinness!
> The lack of deferred constraints prevents one using foreign key constraints
> in MySQL (InnoDB specifically supports
and boy is it easy to add new flavors of behaviour ... no need to
touch the EOModel if the attributes are the same or a subset of the
EO's attributes.
On Dec 4, 2009, at 9:27 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
I don't use EOModel inheritance any more. It is a PITA. Not worth
the hassle. Using
I don't use EOModel inheritance any more. It is a PITA. Not worth the
hassle. Using Strategy design pattern to composite in different
behaviours works better for me. Remember the OO Principle "Favor
composition over inheritance" ... I now favor composition over
inheritance ;-) BTW, for th
Ramsey,
Just remove the FK constraints in MySQL. WO works fine without them
since EOF takes care of it. If a database does not support deferred
constraints, then you should not add FK constraints at all.
Cheers, Kieran
On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
Hi Kieran,
Have
Actually, let me rephrase that. My brain was not working earlier since
I had not yet had breakfast :-)
The lack of deferred constraints prevents one using foreign key
constraints in MySQL (InnoDB specifically supports FK constraints).
The problem is that MySQL will not let you delete relate
Hello Frank;
What installer did you use to install on windows?
Thanks
Don
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Frank Stock wrote:
Hi,
Is someone using Vista or Windows 7? It seems that the path c:
\Documents and Settings is replaced by Users.
Can that be a problem when installing WO/WOLips??
Thank
On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:02 AM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
> Hi Kieran,
>
> Have you tried vertical inheritance with MySQL? I have Animal->Cat->Leopard.
> I try to create a leopard and it fails because
>
> com.webobjects.eoaccess.EOGeneralAdaptorException: EvaluateExpression failed:
> Leopard(s
Hi Kieran,
Have you tried vertical inheritance with MySQL? I have Animal->Cat->Leopard.
I try to create a leopard and it fails because
com.webobjects.eoaccess.EOGeneralAdaptorException: EvaluateExpression failed:
:
Next exception:SQL State:23000 -- error code: 1452 -- msg: Cannot add or
On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:17 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
> Fair enough. Finally, we have one specific strike against it. ;-)
>
> Since we have Delete rules in the EOModel, is this feature a "safety net"
> that is needed for external non-WO apps that are accessing the database?
What do you mean? That
Fair enough. Finally, we have one specific strike against it. ;-)
Since we have Delete rules in the EOModel, is this feature a "safety
net" that is needed for external non-WO apps that are accessing the
database? I have never implemented constraints and have yet to have an
orphan record sin
On 4 dec 2009, at 09:54, Tim Worman wrote:
> Mark:
>
> Yeah, you can use any ODBC data source to use the import functionality and
> script steps. However, FileMaker Pro 10 now has the ability to transparently
> use tables from an external data source as though they were internal tables.
> But
Mark:
Yeah, you can use any ODBC data source to use the import functionality and
script steps. However, FileMaker Pro 10 now has the ability to transparently
use tables from an external data source as though they were internal tables.
But it can only do this with SQL Server, Oracle, and MySQL.
Hi Tim,
I have accessed PostgreSQL using Filemaker before using ODBC using
"Actual" drivers.
Caveat: I only used this with 8.0 and 8.5 using ODBC to import all
data for subsequent processing rather than accessing data "live". I
gather Filemaker 9.0 can use an external data source in joins, but
ha
Chuck, hi.
Well I have realize that when I select an element form the Main list, I see in
the console the ERXRequest being logged, I guess this comes form WOnder.
ANyway, Im checking my code, and I have removed some useless forms I had, also
I realize I had a nested form, and a repeated id, s
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