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On 2010-09-10, at 9:42 PM, Klaus Berkling wrote:
>
> I have been looking at David LaBer excellent D2W screencast for ExcelLook
> (http://davidleber.net/?p=369) and it seemed fairly easy.
>
> I've followed the screencast very closely but yet I see the following error
> when invoking the excell
it would stop the apocalypse...
On 2010-09-10, at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>
The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>>> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-)
On 2010-09-10, at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>
The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>>> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
>> try"in
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
>>> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
> try"ing"
Resistance is futile.
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> Now Mike is at Apple too, so we need to find another Mike...
I'm not dead, btw ...
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>> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
>> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
try"ing"
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On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>
>> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
>> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>
> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
You conti
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>
> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
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Le 2010-09-10 à 19:56, Jeremy Matthews a écrit :
> Since I'm in and out of the WO world, I can say that it was hardest for me to
> get updated documentation, sample code, examples, podcasts, etc.
>
> News and information appears sporadic and sparse...and not just on WO, but
> with the rest of
Ok guys,
While I'm listening to all WOWODC 2010 recordings, I'm preparing the 2010
surveys. I have put the surveys in the wiki so people can add suggestions and
comments before I open the survey.
Organization Survey : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/x/lYF9
Individual Survey : http://
Yes, we need another book from you!
On 2010-09-10, at 7:51 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> Or we could just find someplace dark to hide and wait for it all to end. In
> the meantime, I have a lot of work to do...
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>
>> And we will try to help ou
Since I'm in and out of the WO world, I can say that it was hardest for me to
get updated documentation, sample code, examples, podcasts, etc.
News and information appears sporadic and sparse...and not just on WO, but with
the rest of the stuff WO devs use (Wonder, Eclipse config, etc).
The fol
Le 2010-09-10 à 19:51, Chuck Hill a écrit :
> Or we could just find someplace dark to hide and wait for it all to end. In
> the meantime, I have a lot of work to do...
We just have to wait two years :-)
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>
>> And we will try to help out t
Or we could just find someplace dark to hide and wait for it all to end. In
the meantime, I have a lot of work to do...
On Sep 10, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> And we will try to help out the community even more. I have a couple of ideas
> about that...
>
>> In the meantime, whil
Yes, the wiki do need a good cleanup. About the videos, that's one of my
options for my book/big tutorial...
> Looking at it as someone just starting to get very serious about WO The
> community needs videos that describe everything from the ground level up.
> Not just here's how to insta
Looking at it as someone just starting to get very serious about WO The
community needs videos that describe everything from the ground level up. Not
just here's how to install WO and "Hello World" with every other video being
fairly advanced. To much is assumed for beginners. Also, the
On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep
> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around.
>
Having been a worry-monger (is that a word?) when Apple pulled Sun & Windows
support, which has becom
And we will try to help out the community even more. I have a couple of ideas
about that...
> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep
> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around.
>
> ms
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
>
>
> On the subject, Ext has released its designer to build ext views :
> http://www.sencha.com/products/designer/
have you used this thing, though? it's a pretty unpleasant experience imo ...
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Yeah, i was hoping Mike would answer this while asleep and upload a secret
release on the list ;)
On the subject, Ext has released its designer to build ext views :
http://www.sencha.com/products/designer/
Nice, Ext has a bunch of really nice widgets but Extjs lacks bindings,
component model, c
So, are you suggesting we all downgrade to WO 4.5?
On 2010-09-10, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> From the outside looking in:
>
> It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list. As good as it may
> be I don't suspect in can survive in the future.
> Apple has elected to leave web d
In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep making
apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around.
ms
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:43 PM, Ken Foust wrote:
> From the outside looking in:
>
> It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list. As good as it
On Sep 10, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Mertz St?phan wrote:
> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
That maybe because iTunes engineering has someone with considerable JSF
expertise...i think i know who ;)
For anyone considering alt
From the outside looking in:
It appears to me as thought WO is on the end of life list. As good as it may
be I don't suspect in can survive in the future.
Apple has elected to leave web development to the open-source. I would suspect
they only possible way Apple can compete in the
Enterpris
Ah, good to know. Thanks Chuck!
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> It's because if you nullify the relationship, after EOF does that it can't
> find the related objects to do the cascade delete. Nullify and Cascade are
> not compatible.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> On Sep 7, 2010, at 7:31 A
I think that was part of it. And the use of the default package is now
deprecated in Java so properly every class name should have a package anyway.
My feeling is that FQ names in the model is just The Right Thing.
On Sep 10, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> Good call .. You're right
Good call .. You're right, and maybe that was part of the reason we recommended
the change? It's completely a blur now.
ms
On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> Then you would have the problem of possibly getting the wrong class. My
> preference is for FQ names in the model. Other
Then you would have the problem of possibly getting the wrong class. My
preference is for FQ names in the model. Otherwise, how doe veogen know where
to put the classes?
Chuck
On Sep 10, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> I seem to recall Wonder changed this to enforce that you use ful
I seem to recall Wonder changed this to enforce that you use fully-qualified
class names because not everything in EOF actually properly does an
_NSUtilities.classNamed call. We probably could automagically rewrite your
class names at startup if they're simple names, though ... I'll think about
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>
> > So the message is : Learn WO, be good at it, and you likely be able to
> get a job at Apple.
>
> I believe quite a few people have done exactly that.
You'll need deep WebObjects knowl
Thanks Chuck for correction.
Mike, AppUser.class.getSimpleName() should give the non FQ class name.
Farrukh
On 10, ستمبر 2010, at 10:01 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Michael Gargano wrote:
>
>> ENTITY_NAME is the class name
>
> Also wrong. :-)
>
> There are three
and emacs, i guess ...
On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:02 PM, André Mitra wrote:
> except Mathematica :)
>
> On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote:
>
>> Mike is scary somtimes ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 tool
>> that does everything.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Amiel
>>
>> On Fri,
the reason I thought it was the source is because it was complaining about a FQ
class name. it was actually that I needed to but the FQ class name in the
model. Never had to do that before, but this is my first wonder app, so I
guess the ER stuff is different. normal, i'd just map the models
except Mathematica :)
On 2010-09-10, at 9:26 AM, Amiel Montecillo wrote:
> Mike is scary somtimes ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 tool
> that does everything.
>
> Cheers,
> Amiel
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> Here's my slightly less grumpy response
On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> ENTITY_NAME is the class name
Also wrong. :-)
There are three names, all of which can be different:
1. Entity: User
2. Class: com.foo.bar.User
3. Table: MyUser
> , but still is not a substitute for getName() as that gives the FQ class na
ENTITY_NAME is the class name, but still is not a substitute for getName() as
that gives the FQ class name
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On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Farrukh Ijaz
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Try moving the classes inside a java package instead of the default package.
> AppUser.ENTITY_NAME repres
On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Farrukh Ijaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Try moving the classes inside a java package instead of the default package.
> AppUser.ENTITY_NAME represents the table name
No, it represents the Entity name. The Entity and Table names may be
different.
> hence can't be replaced
On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:02 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
>
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:03 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all D2W Gurus,
>>>
>>> I'm starting a new D2W app, and one of the things it needs to do is
>>> automatically pre-qua
Hi,
Try moving the classes inside a java package instead of the default package.
AppUser.ENTITY_NAME represents the table name hence can't be replaced with
AppUser.class.getName()
Farrukh
Sent from my iPhone
On 10, ستمبر 2010, at 9:22 PM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> the classes are in packages
Are the packages also set up in the EOModel? Use something like JarInspector
to see what classes are where in what is running.
On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> the classes are in packages under the sources folder. I was using AppUser.
> ENTITY_NAME which is not FQ, but
the classes are in packages under the sources folder. I was using AppUser.
ENTITY_NAME which is not FQ, but I also replaced that with
AppUser.class.getName() and I got the same error. I'm stumped. This isn't a
complicated app.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Chuck Hill wro
Are the class names in the model fully qualified? Are the Java classes in
packages and under the Sources folder?
On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> no, I the project's resource folder. it's getting pulled into the build.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:
On 2010-09-10, at 8:02 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
>
>> On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:03 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all D2W Gurus,
>>>
>>> I'm starting a new D2W app, and one of the things it needs to do is
>>> automatically pre-qua
no, I the project's resource folder. it's getting pulled into the build.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> That sounds like you have the model in the project but not the code. Is this
> model in a framework?
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Michael Ga
That sounds like you have the model in the project but not the code. Is this
model in a framework?
On Sep 10, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> Yes, all of the above. :)
>
> AppUser
> user=(AppUser)EOUtilities.objectMatchingValues(session().defaultEditingContext(),AppUser.ENTITY_
Yes, all of the above. :)
AppUser
user=(AppUser)EOUtilities.objectMatchingValues(session().defaultEditingContext(),AppUser.ENTITY_NAME,loginDict);
Error is ERROR er.extensions.eof.ERXEntityClassDescription - Error registering
model: PerfTestEOModel
ClassNotFoundException: AppUser
it's a
Details? Code? Exceptions? Hints?
On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Michael Gargano wrote:
> hi all,
>
> I'm having an issue with EOUtilities.objectMatchingValues... it keeps
> giving me ClassNotFoundExceptions telling me it cannot find the class for the
> entity. I tried entity.ENTITY_NAME
hi all,
I'm having an issue with EOUtilities.objectMatchingValues... it keeps giving
me ClassNotFoundExceptions telling me it cannot find the class for the entity.
I tried entity.ENTITY_NAME and entity.class.getName(). and nothing, it tells
me I need the FQ class name still. (this is a wo
Yeah, what ever happened with that? I heard discussion of it at
WOWODC 2009 and not much since (although I could just not be paying
attention :D).
-Lon
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:37 AM, David BON wrote:
> Hoping a spoiler? +1 :-)
>
> David B.
>
> Le 10 sept. 10 à 14:52, Alexis Tual a écrit :
>
>
Hoping a spoiler? +1 :-)
David B.
Le 10 sept. 10 à 14:52, Alexis Tual a écrit :
Not to mention Gianduia ? :)
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All I can say is I started in about 2004 and this list was like a desert with
the exception of Chuck Hill.
I actually doubted my choice at times. Fast forward to today and after my first
WOWODC, I actually
think WO has grown quite a bit.
Throw in D2W / ERRest / BinaryPlist / iOS connectivity an
> Oups, I had a really very very bad idea to open this subject again.
For the record, this was why I had the one line response originally :) But I
haa to followup.
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I had a whole response written and pulled the ejection handle, but now that
everyone's playing, I want in :)
>> I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
>> expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost.
> Why would you want them at low cost?
Yeah, I agree --
Oups, I had a really very very bad idea to open this subject again.
Le 10 sept. 2010 à 17:18, Michael DeMan a écrit :
> Well
>
> I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
> expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost. It also has been a dying
> technology
Le 2010-09-10 à 11:43, Chuck Hill a écrit :
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> now people who get out of school only want to do PHP
>
> OK, now THAT is just scary.
PHP is the Visual Basic of the Net. A lot of people are using it because they
took a course or learn about it
On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> now people who get out of school only want to do PHP
OK, now THAT is just scary.
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Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their overall
knowledge of WebObjects or
On Sep 10, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Michael DeMan wrote:
> Well
>
> I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
> expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost.
Why would you want them at low cost?
> It also has been a dying technology since NeXT got Apple back.
I
I wondered about that too!
Alan
On Sep 10, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Lon Varscsak wrote:
> I thought maybe Anjo had hijacked your email account. ;)
>
> -Lon
>
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>> I should ONLY send emails at 3:30am ...
>>
>> ms
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:48 A
On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:18 AM, Michael DeMan wrote:
> Well
>
> I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
> expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost.
A low salary has never been one of my goals. Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Your
choice.
> It also has been
Le 2010-09-10 à 11:18, Michael DeMan a écrit :
> Well
>
> I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
> expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost. It also has been a dying
> technology since NeXT got Apple back.
Please define "dying". Apple outside suppor
Actually, there is not a problem with component action URLs at all. The rewrite
rule we used was incorrect. The trailing slash that we had added breaks the
component action URL parsing. It should read:
> RewriteCond %{HTTP_COOKIE} custom_ins=([-0-9][0-9]*)
> RewriteRule ^/friendlyUrl/(.*)/?$ /cg
Well
I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost. It also has been a dying
technology since NeXT got Apple back. I am not sure why it was never just open
sourced, other than it must be that somebody somewhere at ex
I thought maybe Anjo had hijacked your email account. ;)
-Lon
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> I should ONLY send emails at 3:30am ...
>
> ms
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
>
>>
>> I liked your grumpy response better ;-)
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2010,
I should ONLY send emails at 3:30am ...
ms
On Sep 10, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
>
> I liked your grumpy response better ;-)
>
> Alan
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>
>> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
>>
>> Apple, like any smart company, makes techn
On Sep 9, 2010, at 8:49 PM, Ramsey Lee Gurley wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 6:03 PM, David Avendasora wrote:
>
>> Hi all D2W Gurus,
>>
>> I'm starting a new D2W app, and one of the things it needs to do is
>> automatically pre-qualify all listings of of entities to filter down to only
>> the EO
> Apple has public web properties that are static html, php, struts, jsf, jsp,
> sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others
Not to mention Gianduia ? :)
Alex
Le 10 sept. 2010 à 14:22, Mike Schrag a écrit :
> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
>
> Apple, like any smart company, makes
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> So the message is : Learn WO, be good at it, and you likely be able to get a
> job at Apple.
I believe quite a few people have done exactly that.
Alan
>
>> Apple develop stuff with a wide variety of tools based upon available
>> developer
I liked your grumpy response better ;-)
Alan
On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:22 AM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
>
> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots of
> variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't make sen
Running more than one WO application on the same domain with the session and
instance cookie paths set to "/" definitely brings complications. We only do it
because for two applications we want to expose 'user friendly' URLs using
Apache rewrite rules. As Ben mentions, because the adaptor matche
Mike is scary somtimes ;) But I agree with him that there is no 1 tool
that does everything.
Cheers,
Amiel
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
>
> Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots of
> varia
Here's my slightly less grumpy response :)
Apple, like any smart company, makes technology decisions based on lots of
variables -- what technology makes sense? what technology doesn't make sense?
what is the expertise of our current staffing? what are the goals for the
project? etc ... I love W
So the message is : Learn WO, be good at it, and you likely be able to get a
job at Apple.
> Apple develop stuff with a wide variety of tools based upon available
> developer resources. The iTunes Store and MobileMe suck up virtually all the
> WO developers that Apple can find and they then tu
Apple develop stuff with a wide variety of tools based upon available developer
resources. The iTunes Store and MobileMe suck up virtually all the WO
developers that Apple can find and they then turn to other technologies.
Everything that I know of within Apple that is mission critical and in-h
Wow. NWA? Respect!
On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> http://c.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZConnections.woa/wa/viewProfile?userId=368107
Johnny Miller
Kahalawai Media Corp
http://www.kahalawai.com
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To be honest after attending SF and Montreal this year i was much happier in
Montreal. It was much nicer place to spend the evenings.
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On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connec
Apple stopped using WebObjects? Awesome -- I assume this means I get the rest
of the year off?
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
> Does
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