On Sep 11, 2010, at 1:14 AM, Farrukh Ijaz wrote:
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> On 11, ستمبر 2010, at 3:05 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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>> if Chuck and Kieran get hit by a bus
>
> Good people deserve better ending unless they are fortunate like Brad Pit to
> get another chance to live after a car hit?
I have been hit by
Yeah I agree on that one ... Atlas is a really impressive creation. I just
found the ext designer to be really buggy and just kind of a clunky interface.
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On Sep 11, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Alexis Tual wrote:
> I've tried it, not used it for a real job. I think it's a decent tool
I've tried it, not used it for a real job. I think it's a decent tool to avoid
writing some UI code by hand.
IMO on this no HTML approach, Cappucino is more promising along with their IB
clone http://280atlas.com/what.php
Alex
Le 11 sept. 2010 à 01:06, Mike Schrag a écrit :
>> On the subject
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On 11, ستمبر 2010, at 3:05 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> if Chuck and Kieran get hit by a bus
Good people deserve better ending unless they are fortunate like Brad Pit to
get another chance to live after a car hit?
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whatever happens, this is the basket i'm putting my eggs in mm,
eggs. but, anyway, i've never made a screencast or anything, but as i learn
more i would be more than will to help add tutorial content to get more people
involved in WO. it could also be used for training new people at
it would stop the apocalypse...
On 2010-09-10, at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
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The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>>> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-)
On 2010-09-10, at 8:12 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
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> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>
The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>>> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
>> try"in
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:09 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
>>> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
>>> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
> try"ing"
Resistance is futile.
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> Now Mike is at Apple too, so we need to find another Mike...
I'm not dead, btw ...
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>> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
>> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
try"ing"
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On Sep 10, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>>
>> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
>> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
>
> I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
You conti
On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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> The main problem is that every time someone is good at helping people and
> with coding, Apple will snatch him.
I'd like to think not everyone. ;-) Though they have tried.
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Le 2010-09-10 à 19:56, Jeremy Matthews a écrit :
> Since I'm in and out of the WO world, I can say that it was hardest for me to
> get updated documentation, sample code, examples, podcasts, etc.
>
> News and information appears sporadic and sparse...and not just on WO, but
> with the rest of
n I think being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable.
>>>>>> It's just like the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases
>>>>>> dead? No. That's just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place?
>>>>>> Absolutely -- they b
Since I'm in and out of the WO world, I can say that it was hardest for me to
get updated documentation, sample code, examples, podcasts, etc.
News and information appears sporadic and sparse...and not just on WO, but with
the rest of the stuff WO devs use (Wonder, Eclipse config, etc).
The fol
think being a Rails app makes you inherently unscalable.
>>>>>> It's just like the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases
>>>>>> dead? No. That's just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place?
>>>>>> Absolutely -- they bring value
esn't address well.
>>>>> Likewise, Apple has public web properties that are static html, php,
>>>>> struts, jsf, jsp, sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there
>>>>> are lots of different reasons in each of those cases why de
It's just like the NoSQL vs Relational debate. Are relational databases
>>>>>> dead? No. That's just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place?
>>>>>> Absolutely -- they bring value to a certain set of problems that
>>>>>>
just silly. But do NoSQL databases have a place? Absolutely -- they bring
>>>>> value to a certain set of problems that relational doesn't address well.
>>>>> Likewise, Apple has public web properties that are static html, php,
>>>>> struts, jsf, jsp
On Sep 10, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> In the meantime, while we wait for the apocalypse, whoever wants to keep
> making apps with Java and WebObjects is welcome to hang around.
>
Having been a worry-monger (is that a word?) when Apple pulled Sun & Windows
support, which has becom
,
>>>> struts, jsf, jsp, sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there
>>>> are lots of different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were
>>>> made one way or another. In any complex system, you're probably go
> On the subject, Ext has released its designer to build ext views :
> http://www.sencha.com/products/designer/
have you used this thing, though? it's a pretty unpleasant experience imo ...
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Yeah, i was hoping Mike would answer this while asleep and upload a secret
release on the list ;)
On the subject, Ext has released its designer to build ext views :
http://www.sencha.com/products/designer/
Nice, Ext has a bunch of really nice widgets but Extjs lacks bindings,
component model, c
different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were made one way or
>>> another. In any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix
>>> of technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them
>>> because Apple doesn'
sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there are lots of
>>> different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were made one way or
>>> another. In any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix
>>> of technologies. As far as "detai
On Sep 10, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Mertz St?phan wrote:
> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
That maybe because iTunes engineering has someone with considerable JSF
expertise...i think i know who ;)
For anyone considering alt
isions were made one way or another.
>> In any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix of
>> technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them because
>> Apple doesn't roll that way.
>>
>> ms
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Alan Ward wrote:
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> On Sep 10, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
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> > So the message is : Learn WO, be good at it, and you likely be able to
> get a job at Apple.
>
> I believe quite a few people have done exactly that.
You'll need deep WebObjects knowl
far as "details," you're just not going to get them because
>> Apple doesn't roll that way.
>>
>> ms
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
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>> > Hi,
>> >
>>
other. In any
> complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix of technologies.
> As far as "details," you're just not going to get them because Apple doesn't
> roll that way.
>
> ms
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote
Yeah, what ever happened with that? I heard discussion of it at
WOWODC 2009 and not much since (although I could just not be paying
attention :D).
-Lon
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 9:37 AM, David BON wrote:
> Hoping a spoiler? +1 :-)
>
> David B.
>
> Le 10 sept. 10 à 14:52, Alexis Tual a écrit :
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>
Hoping a spoiler? +1 :-)
David B.
Le 10 sept. 10 à 14:52, Alexis Tual a écrit :
Not to mention Gianduia ? :)
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All I can say is I started in about 2004 and this list was like a desert with
the exception of Chuck Hill.
I actually doubted my choice at times. Fast forward to today and after my first
WOWODC, I actually
think WO has grown quite a bit.
Throw in D2W / ERRest / BinaryPlist / iOS connectivity an
> Oups, I had a really very very bad idea to open this subject again.
For the record, this was why I had the one line response originally :) But I
haa to followup.
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I had a whole response written and pulled the ejection handle, but now that
everyone's playing, I want in :)
>> I can not say for sure, but it is incredibly difficult to get folks who have
>> expertise in WebObjects anywhere, at low cost.
> Why would you want them at low cost?
Yeah, I agree --
not use technologies that have broader exposure in advance to incoming
> technology professionals
>
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
>
Le 2010-09-10 à 11:43, Chuck Hill a écrit :
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
>> now people who get out of school only want to do PHP
>
> OK, now THAT is just scary.
PHP is the Visual Basic of the Net. A lot of people are using it because they
took a course or learn about it
On Sep 10, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Pascal Robert wrote:
> now people who get out of school only want to do PHP
OK, now THAT is just scary.
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reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
>> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
>> Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
>>
>> Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Stép
f, jsp, sproutcore, webobjects, and I'm sure others and there
>>>> are lots of different reasons in each of those cases why decisions were
>>>> made one way or another. In any complex system, you're probably going to
>>>> end up with a mix of technol
he new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
>> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
>> Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
>>
>> Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ?
>>
>> Regards
re viewing COBOL and older stuff back in the
days.
>
>
> On Sep 9, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
>> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
>> Does Apple
new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
> Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
>
> Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social netwo
obably going to end up with a mix
>>> of technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them
>>> because Apple doesn't roll that way.
>>>
>>> ms
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54
way or another.
>> In any complex system, you're probably going to end up with a mix of
>> technologies. As far as "details," you're just not going to get them because
>> Apple doesn't roll that way.
>>
>> ms
>>
>> On Sep 10
ly going to end up with a mix of technologies.
> As far as "details," you're just not going to get them because Apple doesn't
> roll that way.
>
> ms
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The new '
, I'm sure they are not using WO. ;)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Miguel Arroz
>>>
>>> On 2010/09/10, at 07:54, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting
use Apple doesn't
> roll that way.
>
> ms
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
>> with JSF instead of
ils," you're just not going to get them because
> Apple doesn't roll that way.
>
> ms
>
> On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is
>
ng to end up with a mix of technologies. As far as "details," you're just
not going to get them because Apple doesn't roll that way.
ms
On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:54 AM, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect
12:16 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
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>> Hi!
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I'm sure they are not using WO. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Miguel Arroz
>>
>> On 2010/09/10, at 07:54, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The
0/09/10, at 07:54, Mertz Stéphan wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The new 'the Sales and Trend reporting module' of iTunes Connect is develop
>> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
>> Does Apple stop to use WebObjects for its internal tools?
>>
>> Do
Wow. NWA? Respect!
On Sep 9, 2010, at 9:25 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
> http://c.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZConnections.woa/wa/viewProfile?userId=368107
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> with JSF instead of WebObjects.
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> Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ?
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> Does someone know what is powering the new Ping social network ?
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