Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Aaron Halfaker
The retention problem isn't just relevant to new editors. Retaining experienced Wikipedians is an equally substantial term in the equation. Back to Laura's question: I don't know about any research of Wiki meetups, but there's been research of everything2 meetups and potential effects on

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread WereSpielChequers
I've been attending London Meetups for over three years, and anecdotally I'd say there was a high correlation between repeat or even regular attendance at meetups and editor retention. Of course it is possible there are some editors who spot us, leave the pub and stop editing. I also think

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:38:07 +, WereSpielChequers wrote: Ive been attending London Meetups for over three years, and anecdotally Id say there was a high correlation between repeat or even regular attendance at meetups and editor retention. Of course it is possible there are some editors

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Piotr Konieczny
Anecdotal evidence from Pittsburgh and Philadelphia suggests meetups are not a safeguard against the local community dying out. Both places had meetups, that eventually saw fewer and fewer people, and then stopped entirely. For Pittsburgh I tried motivating people to participate in the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] # of searches where WP is the first hit?

2012-11-19 Thread Tilman Bayer
Not much left to add after Finn's list, but those may be interesting as well: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2011/October#High_search_engine_rankings_of_Wikipedia_articles_found_to_be_justified_by_quality (In 1000 queries, Yahoo showed the most Wikipedia results within the

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Steven Walling
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows of any research on Wikimedia meetups and the effects on editor retention? Sincerely, Laura Hale I know that at some point there was effort made in the WMF's Global Development

[Wiki-research-l] is there any research supporting list-defined references?

2012-11-19 Thread Piotr Konieczny
List-defined references (WP:LDR) involve reducing the amount of code dedicated to references in the main body, by moving most of it to the bottom of the article (here's an example of a diff that showcases how this works:

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Laura Hale
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Making a correlation between IRL meetings and activity is difficult unless you do it by hand. And then there's the question of what you might use as a control group as a basis for comparison. I'd assume local

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread WereSpielChequers
I met some of the Georgian editors last time I was in Tbilisi. They seem to have a very tight community, there aren't many of them but that means they are few enough that they can all work together on their topic of the month . Which couldn't be more different from the London meetups where some of

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Kerry Raymond
Very true. The longer you hang around Wikipedia, the more people you encounter who really piss you off. It's a very negative culture. I think the lack of physicality is part of the problem. Having worked in international standards and other similar battlegrounds, I know that the most important

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread evan rosen
Hi Laura, It so happens that I'm presently working on a software package (with a web interface soon to come) that is aimed at facilitating exactly this type of investigation. It's a python package on github: https://github.com/embr/userstats And though it's still under development, it

Re: [Wiki-research-l] Editor retention and meetups?

2012-11-19 Thread Ward Cunningham
I agree with Kerry that computer text offers a narrow pipe through which we can barely come to know and trust other. That is why in developing Extreme Programming (a kind of Agile) we asked that the whole team, including clients and management, meet daily in person, preferably working together