[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

[sorry for cross-posting] Hello everyone, I would like spend a minute thanking Wikimedia Deutschland for organizing the Wikimedia Conference in Berlin, and thanking everyone who participated in it. I'd like to say out loud that I really liked the atmosphere, that I enjoy more and more the simple

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Dear Wikimedians, You have not yet registered for the Wikimedia Conference 2015 in Berlin? You want to shape the future of the Wikimedia movement? You want to meet, exchange and mingle with other movement enthusiasts from around the world? Then please be kindly reminded to register until Monday,

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her 2 cents over at > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference > > > >> From: e...@wikimanialondon.org >> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:58:00 +0100 >> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Co

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For what its worth, I just added another 2 cents over at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference > From: e...@wikimanialondon.org > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:58:00 +0100 > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Con

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The name of a conference is typically a descriptor of the contents of the programme rather than of the attendees :) *Edward Saperia* Conference Director Wikimania London email • facebook • twitter

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It's not the word Conference, is the word Wikimedia that address people to consider it as an event for the Wikimedia movement. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > The word "Conference" doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or > closed. > > C > On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, "I

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The word "Conference" doesn't in itself imply that an event is open or closed. C On 12 Sep 2014 13:06, "Ilario Valdelli" wrote: > But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference. > > It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement. > > If the name should be as much as possib

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But Wikimania is not only a Wikimedia Conference. It's a conference open to all people outside the Wikimedia movement. If the name should be as much as possible "explicative", the switch from Wikimania to Wikimedia Conference is inappropriate. On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Wil Sinclair wrot

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On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: > Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name. > > I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees, > but "Wikimania" has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True > mania is marked by little control, commitment, and re

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Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name. I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees, but "Wikimania" has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True mania is marked by little control, commitment, and rest. It also implies that attendees have to be dyed-in-the-wool,

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What I have said is simple. Wikimania does its own job. A second Wikimania doesn't make sense. Regional and thematic are important and can help a support the movement. Regional conferences collect people around a region or continent and there is no obligation to speak English (Iberoconf is an ex

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:52 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > I suggest we use 'the Oompa Loompa discussion meeting' and > be done with it. > Ah, but what COLOR are the oompa loompas? *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...

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Regional conferences are easier to attend for the locals, but... * There would be less mixing of people and thematic organizations from different regions * WMF's travel costs would skyrocket if it tried to send the same number of people to several regional events, and WMF would also likely have si

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Wikimedia is a community of communities. So basically Wikimania can be the unique Wikimedia Conference. But we can come back to the first question. Would we really have a second Wikimania in the first quarter of any year because the name Wikimedia Conference should exclude no one? Would we reall

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I was always a little surprised by the name Wikimedia Conference. After all, that name would most logically belong to the big, open, week-long event that draws over a thousand people together to talk about every aspect of the movement.* However, that event is already called Wikimania, which also d

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Any time I have seen the proposal of a pre-conference in Wikimania, any time I have seen nothing happening. There are two hackathons per year, one as Wikimania pre-conference and a second one as separate event. In my opinion proposing a preconference will not solve the problem but will add a seco

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One additional nice benefit from having the affiliates conference be a pre-Wikimania conference is that those who don't want to or are excluded from the affiliate portions of the event can attend other portions like the education pre-conference or the pre-conference hackathon. Can we please move t

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It would, however, significantly increase the work for the Wikimania organisers. They didn't sign up to programme and organise an affiliate org conference, so they shouldn't have to if they don't want to. Guestlists cause all sorts of politics, but are a necessary evil when dealing with limited

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May I suggest that this discussion move to [1] where, among other things, people may create RfCs about the name, scope, and timing of the event? I'm looping in Alex Wang from Grantmaking to see if she has any comments about where and how this discussion should take place, since I think PEG provide

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So basically you're arguing that if people want to have a more sensible discussion about the who, what & where, they should use a closed mailing list? Like it was done in the past? Fine with me. Please continue the discussion about the color, but it would be more effective to have started a separa

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On 11 September 2014 22:07, Charles Gregory wrote: > ... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has gradually > evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate > organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc. I don't think > anyone is suggesting any

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An editor has moved the pages back, for anyone interested. Amusingly illogical rationale in the edit summary, but what can you do. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wik

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... but the conference has been running for a few years, and has gradually evolved over that time, from primarily chapters, to other affiliate organisations, AffCom itself, FDC in recent years, etc. I don't think anyone is suggesting any revolutionary changes for the next one? Just a change in na

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I like the idea of having this event be a pre-conference for Wikimania. That may reduce total travel costs and travel time for the people who usually attend both events. This may also simplify planning for people and thorgs. Pine On Sep 11, 2014 5:25 PM, "Pete Forsyth" wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Richard Symonds < richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the name. But, most of the people on this list wouldn't have anything to do with this conference -- surely there's a better resource for

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What I'm saying is, let's plan a conference before we argue over the name. On 12 Sep 2014 00:57, "Risker" wrote: > We do have a community centre. It's called Meta. It may not be a very > elegant one, and there are definitely parts that can be improved, but it's > our virtual community centre. >

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We do have a community centre. It's called Meta. It may not be a very elegant one, and there are definitely parts that can be improved, but it's our virtual community centre. Risker/Anne On 11 September 2014 19:54, Richard Symonds < richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: > But we don't even

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But we don't even have a bikeshed or a community centre yet :-P On 12 Sep 2014 00:52, "Risker" wrote: > On 11 September 2014 19:19, Charles Gregory wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: > > > > > On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Personally, I

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On 11 September 2014 19:19, Charles Gregory wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: > > > On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote: > > > >> > >> Personally, I have no problem with the existence of the conference, but > I > >> find its name alienating. Not everyone agrees with t

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I personally prefer silver unpainted bikesheds. That way, they don't need constant repainting. Perhaps it would be best to decide the program. Or indeed something else about it. Targets. Audience. Anything. Our conference baby will indeed need a name, and a name is important, but let's have a preg

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On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Isarra Yos wrote: > On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote: > >> >> Personally, I have no problem with the existence of the conference, but I >> find its name alienating. Not everyone agrees with that assessment, but >> clearly some others in this thread do. >> > >

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On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Alice Wiegand wrote: Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if this conference, which once was set up as a meeting f

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Alice Wiegand wrote: > Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a > discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if > this conference, which once was set up as a meeting for the organizations > within the Wi

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If it is to be limited to certain people, why not just have a pre conference with Wikimania? > Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:36:36 +0200 > From: zvand...@gmail.com > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015 > > There is no re

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There is no reason to change the name, and no reason to invent a second Wikimania. Also because of finances, the Spring meeting should be really limited to people who make the movement work better. I repeat that, in my opinion, some newer or smaller organisations don't fit really in, or should not

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Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if this conference, which once was set up as a meeting for the organizations within the Wikimedia movement, should be open for non-organized Wikimedians a

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I can see that people who are (also/only/additionally) part of different interpretations of the word Wikimedia might feel excluded by the use of the name by a subset of people who also make up a valid constellation under the name Wikimedia. I cannot tell if this feeling involves the small number of

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On 11.09.2014 22:27, Nathan wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos wrote: But in closing, I will once again point to my statements that names are symbolic and they can be changed. If the participants change the name that sends a totally different vibe than if the change is impo

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Bence Damokos wrote: > The name could be changed if the participants/organisers want to change it. > As I tried to point out, I don't see the name as the underlying problem > people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of exclusion > people see.

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On 11.09.2014 21:26, Risker wrote: Please do not call it "the" Wikimedia conference. It may be many things, but it's not that. "Wikimedia Affiliates Conference" will do fine. Risker/Anne I think that the misunderstanding is here. This is not "the" Wikimedia Conference, this is one of seve

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The name could be changed if the participants/organisers want to change it. As I tried to point out, I don't see the name as the underlying problem people really have, and changing it will not solve the problem of exclusion people see. We can make a conference that has a participants list that inv

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Hi Bence, We strive not to be bound by bureaucracy, don't we? If we discover that a simple name (as generic as "Wikimedia Conference") is slightly misleading, or not completely accurate, then why should we avoid changing it? Particularly as it appears that no process has begun to plan the next com

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I believe names and how we treat them both hold great power and tell a lot about the name-giver and power relationships. "Wikimedia" means different things to different people (possibly all valid), it is both the name for the concept of the different sister projects and their combined ethos formin

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Since before planning gets underway is the perfect time to clarify the conference title, and Anh Chung was kind enough to create the pages, I've taken the liberty of moving them to [[Wikimedia Affiliates Conference 2015]]. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, gu

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mail.com > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015 > > I'm with James and Isarra here. Only a small minority of Wikimedians are > part of chapters and affiliated groups; being a member of an organized > group has nothing to

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I'm with James and Isarra here. Only a small minority of Wikimedians are part of chapters and affiliated groups; being a member of an organized group has nothing to do with being a Wikimedian, or even directly with Wikimedia itself. This is an exclusionary conference - not only do you have to be

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On 11.09.2014 20:48, Isarra Yos wrote: I'm part of the Wikimedia movement, but there are no chapters nearby, nor are there any user groups that I know of relevant to my interests as yet. Thus there is nobody to represent me but myself. If this is Wikimedia, why can't I go to a Wikimedia conf

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On 11/09/14 18:42, Ilario Valdelli wrote: On 11.09.2014 20:06, James Forrester wrote: On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli wrote: Against the funds of WMF. A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania, and to open it means to have a budget more or less e

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On 11.09.2014 20:06, James Forrester wrote: On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli wrote: Against the funds of WMF. A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania, and to open it means to have a budget more or less equal to Wikimania. Indeed, which is why we

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/me mumbles something about a bikeshed that has a beautiful shade of blue. 2014-09-11 20:06 GMT+02:00 James Forrester : > On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > > > On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote: > > > >> On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung wrote: > >> > >> Dear al

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On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote: > >> On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung wrote: >> >> Dear all, >>> >>> Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss >>> the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Confer

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > > > Against the funds of WMF. > > A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania, > and to open it means to have a budget more or less equal to Wikimania. > > In addition there are not represented "some Wikimedia

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On 11.09.2014 18:42, James Forrester wrote: On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung wrote: Dear all, Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference. Though I'm sure the event is worthy, I will repeat yet again the r

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I think "Wikimedia Affiliates Meeting" or "Wikimedia Movement Affiliates Meeting" would better match the wording used elsewhere. -greg ___ Sent from my iPhone - a more detailed response may be sent later. > On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:42 PM, James Forrester wrote: > >> On 11 September

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On 11 September 2014 09:27, Anh Chung wrote: > Dear all, > > Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss > the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference. > Though I'm sure the event is worthy, I will repeat yet again the request from the Wikimania Committee for

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

Dear all, Wikimania has been over for a month now and it is already time to discuss the next Wikimedia event, the Wikimedia Conference. A year ago, for the very first time, the movement set up a selection process to choose the host of the conference, 4 chapters applied and WMDE was chosen to host