Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

Please stop calling this an “AI” system, it is not. It is statistical learning. This is probably not going to make me popular… In some jurisdictions you will need a permit to create, manage, and store biometric identifiers, no matter if the biometric identifier is for a known person or not. If

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

users (adversary and postulated sock) are the same because they have edited the same page. It is quite unlikely a user will edit the same page with a sock puppet, when it is known that such a system is activated. On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 10:49 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > Nice idea! First time I wr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ethical question regarding some code

Nice idea! First time I wrote about this being possible was back in 2008-ish. The problem is quite trivial, you use some observable feature to fingerprint an adversary. The adversary can then game the system if the observable feature can be somehow changed or modified. To avoid this the

[Wikitech-l] Render with a slow process

Slow process, fast rendering Imagine someone edits a page, and that editing hits a very slow tag-function of some kind. You want to respond fast with something readable, some kind of temporary page until the slow process has finished. Do you chose to reuse what you had from the last revision, if

Re: [Wikitech-l] Neural nets, and Lua?

(FSM). On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 3:03 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > A project that could be really interesting is to make a Lua interface for > some of the new neural nets, especially based on the Tsetlin-engine. Sounds > nifty, but it is nothing more than a slight reformulation

[Wikitech-l] Neural nets, and Lua?

A project that could be really interesting is to make a Lua interface for some of the new neural nets, especially based on the Tsetlin-engine. Sounds nifty, but it is nothing more than a slight reformulation of an old learning algorithm (type early 70th), where the old algorithm has problem

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cryptographic puzzles as mitigation for DDoS

: > I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that the attacker was just > flooding the network with traffic? > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019, 12:25 John Erling Blad, wrote: > > > There are several papers about how to stop DDoS by using cryptographic > > puzzles.[1] The core

[Wikitech-l] Cryptographic puzzles as mitigation for DDoS

There are several papers about how to stop DDoS by using cryptographic puzzles.[1] The core idea is to give the abuser some algorithmic work he has to solve, thereby forcing him to waste processing power, and then to slow him down to a manageable level.[2] That only work if you are the target, and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Abusefilter and Content Translator

It is either the limit for unedited automatic translations that is set way to high, or an admin that blames Google for whatever translated text (s)he find. The later is not uncommon in Norwegian, even if the admins are told several times ContentTranslation does not use Google for Norwegian

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

Sorry, but this is not valid. I can't leave this uncommented. Assume the article is right, then all metrics would be bad. Thus we can't find any example that contradicts the statement in the article. If we pick coverage of automated tests as a metric, then _more_ test coverage would be bad given

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

It is a strange discussion, especially as it is now about how some technical debts are not _real_ technical debts. You have some code, and you change that code, and breakage emerge both now and for future projects. That creates a technical debt. Some of it has a more pronounced short time effect

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:53 PM bawolff wrote: > > Technical debt is by definition "ickyness felt by devs". It is a thing that > can be worked on. It is not the only thing to be worked on, nor should it > be, but it is one aspect of the system to be worked on. If its ignored it > makes it really

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:52 PM bawolff wrote: > > First of all, I want to say that I wholeheartedly agree with everything tgr > wrote. > > Regarding Pine's question on technical debt. > > Technical debt is basically a fancy way of saying something is "icky". It > is an inherently subjective

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 2:38 PM C. Scott Ananian wrote: > > A secondary issue is that too much wiki dev is done by WMF/WMFDE employees > (IMO); I don't think the current percentages lead to an overall healthy > open source community. But (again in my view) the first step to nurturing > and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 8:23 AM Strainu wrote: > > > A large backlog by itself is not alarming. A growing one for > > components deployed to WMF sites is. It indicates insufficient > > attention is given to ongoing maintenance of projects after they are > > no longer "actively developed", which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

are only changed when the bugs are closed for whatever reason, which could take years. Creating additional manual interventions does not work, the process must be simpler and more efficient. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:23 PM Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 00:29 +0100, John Erlin

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

Sorry, but I try to point out that the process is broken and give a few examples on how to fix the process. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:20 PM Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Thu, 2019-03-14 at 12:35 +0100, John Erling Blad wrote: > > Blame games does not fix faulty processes.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

oying bugs. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyOHJ4GR4iU from 32:20 On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 11:49 PM Andre Klapper wrote: > > On Wed, 2019-03-13 at 21:01 +0100, John Erling Blad wrote: > > This is like an enormous sinkhole, with people standing on the edge, > > warning abou

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

This is like an enormous sinkhole, with people standing on the edge, warning about the sinkhole. All around people are saying "we must do something"! Still the sinkhole slowly grows larger and larger. People placing warning signs "Sinkhole ahead". Others notifying neighbors about the growing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

What frustrates me the most are - bugs found by the editor community, that has obvious simple fixes, which isn't acted upon for several years - new features that isn't fully tested, and you have to answer in the community about stuff you rather want to throw out - new features and changes that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:29 PM Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: > > I get an impression from this thread that the problem is not really the > size of the backlog, but rather certain individual tasks that sit in > said backlog rather than being worked on, and which according to John > are actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

charge money > for? > Are our customers successfully subsidizing our free (as in beer) software? > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 7:33 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > > > > 2- Everything is open-source and as non-profit, there's always resource > > > constra

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

> 2- Everything is open-source and as non-profit, there's always resource > constraint. If it's really important to you, feel free to make a patch and > the team would be always more than happy to review. Wikipedia is the core product, and the users are the primary customers. When a group of core

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

It seems like some projects simply put everything coming from external sources into deep freezer or add "need volunteer". If they respond at all. In some cases it could be that the projects are defunc. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 9:51 PM Stas Malyshev wrote: > > Hi! > > > In my experience WMF teams

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

> Also should be on the list: Sometimes bugs have a known fix that isn't > being rolled out, in favour of a larger more fundamental restructuring > (demanding even more resources). Yes, I've seen a lot of cookie licking. It makes it hard to solve even simple bugs.

[Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

The backlog for bugs are pretty large (that is an understatement), even for bugs with know fixes and available patches. Is there any real plan to start fixing them? Shall I keep telling the community the bugs are "tracked"? /jeblad ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] A potential new way to deal with spambots

It is extremely easy to detect a bot unless the bot operator chose to make it hard. Just make a model for how the user interacts with the input devices, and do anomaly detection. That imply use of Javascript though, but users not using JS are either very dubious or quite well-known. There are

Re: [Wikitech-l] The mw.ext construct in lua modules

Those that break the naming scheme *somehow* is 7 extensions (ArticlePlaceholder (mixed case), DynamicPageListEngine (not extension name), JsonConfig (not extension name), LinkedWiki (not ext structure), SemanticScribunto (not extension name), Wikibase Client (not ext structure), ZeroPortal (not

Re: [Wikitech-l] The mw.ext construct in lua modules

There are several extensions that diverge on the naming scheme. Some of them even being referenced as using the scheme, while not providing lua libs at all. It is a bit weird. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 7:09 PM Kunal Mehta wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi, > > On

Re: [Wikitech-l] The mw.ext construct in lua modules

Half a century? 50 years? You have been working for WMDE since 2014. Perhaps it would be an idea to discuss the naming scheme instead of doing questionable call to authority? The interesting point is _what_ to gain by adding unrelated character sequences to names. If some character sequence don't

Re: [Wikitech-l] The mw.ext construct in lua modules

It is a description of how it should be done, which is not according to the current page. Yes it is a call for feedback if I must spell it out. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 8:33 AM Thiemo Kreuz wrote: > > Is there a question assigned with this long email? Is this a call for > feedback? > > Kind

[Wikitech-l] The mw.ext construct in lua modules

At the Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual, at several places,[1] it is pointed out that the lua-libs should use the form 'mw.ext.NAME'. This creates visual noise in the code. Any lib included should have a extension page, thus it has already been given an unique name. In addition, only the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

Tried a couple of times to rewrite this, but it grows out of bound anyhow. Seems like it has its own life. There is a book from 2000 by Robert Dale and Ehud Reiter; Building natural language generation systems ISBN 978-0-521-02451-8 Wikibase items can be rebuilt as Plans from the type statement

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

uch harder, especially if the text is supposed to be readable. Jumbling sentences together as is commonly done by various botscripts does not work very well, or rather, it does not work at all. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:44 AM John Erling Blad wrote: > > Using an abstract language as an basis for t

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

Using an abstract language as an basis for translations have been tried before, and is almost as hard as translating between two common languages. There are two really hard problems, it is the implied references and the cultural context. An artificial language can get rid of the implied

Re: [Wikitech-l] non-obvious uses of in your language

> dga...@wikimedia.org > ‬‏>:‬ > > > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 23:29, John Erling Blad wrote: > > > > > Usually it comes from user errors while using VE. This kind of errors > are > > > quite common, and I asked (several years ago) whether it could be fixed >

Re: [Wikitech-l] non-obvious uses of in your language

T129778 On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 3:59 PM Dan Garry wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 at 23:29, John Erling Blad wrote: > > > Usually it comes from user errors while using VE. This kind of errors are > > quite common, and I asked (several years ago) whether it could be fixed > in

Re: [Wikitech-l] non-obvious uses of in your language

Wikipedia#Anwendung_von__in_Bildunterschriften > > Today there are also more than one user indefinite blocked, which only > removed https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Entgr%C3%A4ten40 > > Am Fr., 5. Okt. 2018 um 00:29 Uhr schrieb John Erling Blad < > jeb...@gmail.com > >:

Re: [Wikitech-l] non-obvious uses of in your language

We have the same in Norwegian, but linking on part of a composite is almost always wrong. Either you link on the whole composite or no part of the composite. If you link on a part of a composite, then in nearly all cases I have seen the link is placed on the wrong term. Some examples on what

Re: [Wikitech-l] problematic use of "Declined" in Phabricator

*very much agree with both Amir and Brion* I've seen the same thing; something is reported as a more or less general issue, it is then picked up as a task, it is further discussed in a specific context, then closed because it does not fit the given context. But the new context wasn't part of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikidata] Semantic annotation of red links on Wikipedia

This can be done with the special page "AboutTopic" with some additional logic. It has been discussed at a few projects, but the necessary logic isn't available. That means the redlink must be created with the q-id, and there is no well-defined process on how to clean it up afterwards. At nnwiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikistats 2.0 - Now with Maps!

I guess this is pretty obvious, but when you create numbers for something generated by an actor (as something that makes the activation) within that area, those numbers should be normalized against the number of actors. There are a whole lot of articles being read in Norwegian from China, does

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we drop revision hashes (rev_sha1)?

What is the current state, will some kind of digest be retained? On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Gergo Tisza wrote: > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Daniel Kinzler < > daniel.kinz...@wikimedia.de > > wrote: > > > Yes, we could put it into a separate table. But that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we drop revision hashes (rev_sha1)?

There are two important use cases; one where you want to identify previous reverts, and one where you want to identify close matches. There are other ways to do the first than to use a digest, but the digest opens up for alternate client side algorithms. The last would typically be done by some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Testing of Lua-script

This project really need someone in addition to me that has more knowledge about how to make an extension production ready, that is someone that can be "maintainer" when the project is done. Anyone? Free cookies!! :D On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 11:56 AM, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gma

Re: [Wikitech-l] update: wikipedia.org portal

Good idea, please add the messages on TranslateWiki. Preferably after some of the proposed fixes. Thanks! On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 6:45 PM, Deborah Tankersley < dtankers...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hello, > > The Discovery Team recently added descriptive text to the Wikipedia.org > page footer in

[Wikitech-l] Testing of Lua-script

Hi all, wrote an application for an IEG-grant on creating a testing environment for Lua-scripts.[1] Perhaps it is interesting for you. It is mainly a tool for on-wiki testing of scripts, and I'm not sure if it is that interesting for use for off-wiki testing. When I wrote the application I said

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mostly about anglophile devs, and a small complaint about VisualEditor

-M is more manageable. On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński <matma@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2016-03-13 19:49, John Erling Blad wrote: > >> A lot of things are much simpler in VisualEditor, but a lot of stuff is >> harder to do or simply does not work. It

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mostly about anglophile devs, and a small complaint about VisualEditor

On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > 2016-03-13 20:49 GMT+02:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > > What feels slow may turn out to be fast when the time is actually measured > (though the _feeling_ of

[Wikitech-l] Mostly about anglophile devs, and a small complaint about VisualEditor

t that it should be fast to do this "thing". Because of this we have ended up with a lengthy click-click-click (and some more clickety-click-click-click) to end up with something we at least half the time must fix with LessVisualEditingWikiText. John Erling Blad /grumpy-jeblad __

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Beta Feature: completion suggester

I tried this on a search for "Sør-Aurdal" (a municipality in Norway), dropped the dash and wrote "sørau" and got a hit on "Søraust-Svalbard naturreservat" among other things. The topmost hit was "søraurdøl", which is a denomyn for someone from Sør-Aurdal. It seems to me that a spelling error is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Ifexists across wikis

Use Q-ids and get the links from Wikidata. On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Purodha Blissenbach < puro...@blissenbach.org> wrote: > How about using the API on the targe side? > Purodha > > > On 06.12.2015 18:04, Alex Monk wrote: > >> I don't think there is a way to get a database name from an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Idea: Cryptographically signed wiki pages.

You will run into problems with transclusions http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/xmlsig#w3c_all On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 1:54 AM, Platonides wrote: > On 13/09/15 18:20, Purodha Blissenbach wrote: > >> The idea is that third parties can publish texts, such as theis >>

Re: [Wikitech-l] Please Review These Patches

Can you do a followup on replies on the patches? Is there an open issue on OATH on enwiki? On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: I don’t usually email the list for this kind of stuff, but if you have some spare time to test an extension, please check out this

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] On 2013-11-07 12:19 AM, John Erling Blad wrote: Can you explain why you use LocalStorage for this? It seems to me like this is the wrong solution and you should use cache manifests instead. LocalStorage is a quite limited area

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

manifests. So cache manifests won't help make any improvements. ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://danielfriesen.name/] On 2013-11-07 12:19 AM, John Erling Blad wrote: Can you explain why you use LocalStorage for this? It seems to me like this is the wrong solution and you should

Re: [Wikitech-l] Module storage is coming

Can you explain why you use LocalStorage for this? It seems to me like this is the wrong solution and you should use cache manifests instead. LocalStorage is a quite limited area for _data_ storage and it will create problems if we start wasting that space for _code_ storage. John On Mon, Nov 4,

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMFs stance on non-GPL code

As long as it is a separate extension there is no problem, but if you bundle it in such a way that it is an integral part of the core then you might get into trouble. On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: Well if it's a MediaWiki extension, it has to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Quality assessment, badges and credit attribution to engage scientists

We don't use votes... ;) If we forget about the implementation of badges and discuss the contributions; there are no single correct way to weight contributions. Assume some user A write N characters as a continuous string, and some user B writes the same number of characters spread out over a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Quality assessment, badges and credit attribution to engage scientists

at 10:58 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: We don't use votes... ;) I think Lydia was referring to the votes on the bugzilla bug page, 14 votes so far :) If we forget about the implementation of badges and discuss the contributions; there are no single correct way to weight

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia sites and limited bandwidth connections

Once in a while my mobile data connection hits the limit and then goes into a 64kb/s mode. When that happen pages can't be delivered (or are delivered with a very long delay) with the HTTP protocol, but the HTTPS keeps going. Anyone with an idea what goes on and why HTTPS seems to work while HTTP

Re: [Wikitech-l] Collaborative machine translation for Wikipedia -- proposed strategy

In my opinion the only thing that is going to work on short term is a guided rule based system. We need that to be able to reuse values from Wikidata in running text. That is a template text must be transformed according to gender, plurality, etc, but also that the values must be adjust to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Remove 'visualeditor-enable' from $wgHiddenPrefs

An UI showing both edit links all the time is a much better way to do it. I had the same discussion 20 years ago and as far as I know nothing has changed when it comes to hidden user interactions that suddenly (and with no explanation) changes the interaction and takes the user with surprise.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:42 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't matter because the correct behavior will accumulate over time. You don't try to fix linkage just because you have one single observed behavior, you collect and correlate behavior over time and use several, perhaps

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

Send out a mw-previous-referrer on the disambiguation page and echo it back from the browser. It could be done through a cookie. On next page it must be removed, either in the server or in the browser. The server can simply rip off any incoming cookie, but not sure if this will work in the squids

Re: [Wikitech-l] Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem

. There are a lot of works on why and how if anyone bother digging it up. Short story it is only a matter of number of observations. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:26 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Send out a mw-previous

Re: [Wikitech-l] Global AbuseFilter testing!

I don't think global filters should be enabled unless they can be overridden locally. Only exception would be if all language specific tests can be disabled or being verified to not be in use for the specific filter. John On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:03 AM, hoo h...@online.de wrote: Here's a copy

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architecture Guidelines: Writing Testable Code

As the dumb ass trying to merge a lot of the code last year at Wikidata I would say stop bitching about whether to make tests or not. Any tests are better than no tests, without tests merging code is pure gambling. Yes you can create a small piece of code and be fairly sure that your own code

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architecture Guidelines: Writing Testable Code

Test coverage is not a quality metric, it is a quantity metric. That is it says something about the amount of tests. The coverage can say something about the overall code given that the code under test infact reflect the remaining code. As the code under test usually are better than the remaining

Re: [Wikitech-l] Architecture Guidelines: Writing Testable Code

Can you give any examples of real code that become less clear after it was rewritten for testability, and explain why it is worse after the rewrite? On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 06/04/2013 12:57 PM, Nikolas Everett wrote: The thing is quite a few

Re: [Wikitech-l] The ultimate bikeshed: typos in commit messages

Its not that difficult to read through the text before you commit, right? At least try to remove the most obvious spelling errors. Perhaps I just find to much BS I should have given a -1 or even a -2 in some cases. John ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updated schedule for ResourceLoader, Lua, etc.

roll-out. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:32 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: John Erling Blad wrote: I'm looking for updated schedules for rollout of ResourceLoader, Lua and other extensions/features. Are there any centralized page for such stuff? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki

[Wikitech-l] Updated schedule for ResourceLoader, Lua, etc.

I'm looking for updated schedules for rollout of ResourceLoader, Lua and other extensions/features. Are there any centralized page for such stuff? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Should JS/CSS pages be parsed?

In my opinion, parsing .js and .css as wikitext is a borken idea. Add some kind of pragmas to the page and strip them off in the ResourceLoader. John On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:44 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Krinkle wrote: On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:04 AM, Daniel Kinzler

Re: [Wikitech-l] A bot to create articles about species

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 18/10/12 09:25, Steven Walling wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs wrote: The need for such bots should cease after Wikidata is fully deployed. I suggest to interested

Re: [Wikitech-l] A bot to create articles about species

task. John On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 18/10/12 11:06, John Erling Blad wrote: well-formed text automatically. One of the more common problems are names that uses different inflection rules due to context and how they are written

Re: [Wikitech-l] A bot to create articles about species

For those interested this type of text synthesis, it can be done by using finite-state automata and transducers (FST's). The simplest way to make them is by cross-compiling into Lua from some other known form. John On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Breaking changes in the Wikidata API

All methods that gives you an edit token should work. John On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 8:53 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: The token handling through use of a special url-argument gettoken and the special

[Wikitech-l] Fwd: Breaking changes in the Wikidata API

I know the bot-people loves changes, so here is a bit more! The token handling through use of a special url-argument gettoken and the special itemtoken has died in flames. Use edittoken from actione=tokens (http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/w/api.php?action=tokenstype=editformat=jsonfm) and

[Wikitech-l] Breaking changes in the Wikidata API

of entity is in there. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40407 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40408 John Erling Blad ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

[Wikitech-l] Changes to the API for Wikidata

Please note that this is a breaking change for bots! It is decided that the module wbsetitem will change from the present short form in the json structure to a long form. Exactly how the long form will be is still a bit open, but it will be closer to the json output format. The changes also makes

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSOC 2012 - Text Processing and Data Mining

Your point (a) Implementing a wikiSumarizer widget which will give the summary of the page being read by the user could be extremely usefull for a hover/ helpbubbles functionality where bubbles with a small explanations are created within external articles. Such functionality imply creating an

Re: [Wikitech-l] Cutting MediaWiki loose from wikitext

I like this idea, it solves a lot of problems. John On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Daniel Kinzler dan...@brightbyte.de wrote: Hi all. I have a bold proposal (read: evil plan). To put it briefly: I want to remove the assumption that MediaWiki pages contain always wikitext. Instead, I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Federated Login to Wikipedia. Re: OAuth

Federated login is not about exclusive login systems, its really the complete oposite. Its about how to pass credentials in a secure fashion between systems. Jeblad on a not-so-smart-phone On 21. mars 2012 15.45, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Andreas

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video codecs and mobile

Use open format, closed format and open content don't mix. John ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth

So, since we're discussing SAML and OAuth and OpenID, and such, I should mention this:    http://simplesamlphp.org/ It supports SAML, OpenID, OAuth, it's extendable and it supports multiple backends (LDAP, MySQL, etc). It is also localizable. - Ryan That one is interesting for the

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth

Just as an idea, would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to establish some kind of joint project with the SimpleSAMLphp-folks? Those are basically Uninett, which is FEIDE, which is those that handle identity federation for lots of the Norwegian schools, colleges and universities.. The

Re: [Wikitech-l] OAuth

Exporting authentication from Mediawiki by OAuth is probably both acceptable and interesting, even if OAuth is said to give a rather weak security. It could be that people are a bit confused about OAuth vs OpenID. In some of the projects where I've been involved the problem is not about exporting

Re: [Wikitech-l] diff colors

widgets: http://webaim.org/blog/web-accessibility-preferences-are-for-sissies/ If you want, I can even dig up the full discussion I had with CCA that ended in them dropping the text resize widget from their wiki's design ;). On Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:19:48 -0800, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] diff colors

to the user browsing the entire Internet. Accessibility is not fixed if the user has to change a preference at every single website they visit. On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 00:56:27 -0800, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: You can not design for one size fits all when it comes to accessibility

Re: [Wikitech-l] diff colors

What about adding a couple of style markers on the body tag? For example classes for high-contrast, avoid-red-green, avoid-green-blue, avoid-red-yellow... or? Or perhaps as additional styles stright from the mediawiki-space, that way the accessability issues can be crowdsourced? There was also a

Re: [Wikitech-l] About page ID

In some cases it would be better to linke on article ids than their names, something like http://en.wikipedia.org/aid/123456 One example is as a link to an article in Wikipedia from tweet posted through the Twitter API. John On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Bináris wikipo...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Wikitech-l] About page ID

: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki?curid=2312711 Although I don't understand what would be the benefit of doing that. Petr Onderka [[User:Svick]] On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 14:09, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: In some cases it would be better to linke on article ids than their names

Re: [Wikitech-l] About page ID

it wold be better if there was a simple way to generate short urls that also identified Wikipedia as such. John On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:38 AM, [[w:en:User:Madman]] madman.enw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:36 AM, John Erling Blad jeb...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I know you can do

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding MD5 / SHA1 column to revision table (discussing r94289)

I have no idea about the schema changes, but to choose a digest for detection of identity reverts is pretty simple. The really difficult part is to choose a locally sensitive hash or fingerprint that works for very similar revisions with a lot of content. I would propose that the digest is stored

Re: [Wikitech-l] Overzealous Commons deletionists

If someone reports something (s)he thinks is an error, even if the wording seems insulting, there are usually something important in the report. Don't attack what you think is wrong about the report, try to figure out whats the root cause behind it, neglecting the insults. Something happen and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Overzealous Commons deletionists

Much of the problem is simply a lack of tools to handle the process in a timly manner, that also assure that something will happen and that is sufficient to stop any legal actions. Why not add a magic word for __NODOWNLOADLINK__ so a template about deleting an image due to copyright will sort of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Overzealous Commons deletionists

People stop the flame war, try to design a solution! What would avoid the problem, and still make it possible for the commons admins to do their job properly. Everybody knows they screw up from time to time, its no help if you keep yelling at them. Been there, done that, didn't help a bit. Why

Re: [Wikitech-l] Search completion

Same behaviour at no.wikipedia. Sometimes it even seems like the identical article entry is removed from the search result. A quick-fix could be to use word frequency or tf-idf from the language, or perhaps from the page your at when you do the search. John On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:19 PM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] wikipedia lacks a share' button

Use a jsMsg or the new version of it, and deliver images as data url in the css. If you use ordinary lmages in a scripted html-tingy it will load a long time after the dom is generated. Most social networks can be accessed with a single url, but it is a lot of sites right now. We have 36 at no.wp

  1   2   >