Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review process (was: Status of more regular code deployments)

2011-06-02 Thread Robert Leverington
Thank you for posting this Erik. I initially didn't reply on this thread because to me it just seems to be the same as the 3 or 4 times we've had the same discussion before. No technical or procedural change is going to solve a problem that is ultimately caused by a lack of time assigned to it. I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Converting to Git?

2011-03-23 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2011-03-23, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > On 3/22/11 6:05 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > > >Our code review tool is pretty nice, but we can't let it > > be the tail that wags the dog. > > At the risk of being impolite -- our code review tool is not that nice. > (I don't expect that anyone who worked

Re: [Wikitech-l] WMF and IPv6

2011-02-03 Thread Robert Leverington
I believe the WMF intends to participate in World IPv6 Day [1], additionally they publish some IPv6 statistics [2]. See also the IPv6 deployment page [3]. [1] http://isoc.org/wp/worldipv6day/ [2] http://ipv6and4.labs.wikimedia.org/ [3] http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/IPv6_deployment Robert O

Re: [Wikitech-l] Inclusion request for the Validator extension

2011-01-12 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2011-01-13, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: > Hey, > > Although the tag name issue is a valid point, it has nothing to do with my > original email. So please start a separate discussion rather then hijacking > this thread. It is entirely to do with your originl e-mail, as it is a valid reason why your o

Re: [Wikitech-l] Draft plan for 1.17 branch next week (Code review and making it to 1.17)

2010-12-04 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-12-04, Roan Kattouw wrote: > 2010/12/4 Robert Leverington : > > The schedule suggests an intial deployment in January, > > but my understanding is that even if there were no further commits it > > would still take until March for it to catch up with HEAD. > > &g

Re: [Wikitech-l] Draft plan for 1.17 branch next week (Code review and making it to 1.17)

2010-12-04 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-12-03, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Hi everyone, > > On IRC, Trevor lead the charge "to Etherpad!", and some of us > followed. This was the result: > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_roadmap/1.17 It is unclear to me whether the plan is to branch from the latest reviewed code or trunk HEA

Re: [Wikitech-l] recursiveTagParse makes data vanish

2010-11-16 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-11-17, Dmitriy Sintsov wrote: > What if my ajax call PHP function is required for extension's client > scripts only and is meaningless to bots? (On-page interactivity). Why > should everything to be an API, ajax is more than bots? Because it provides a consistent, clean framework for mak

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-02 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-11-02, Trevor Parscal wrote: > The idea of dividing deploy and enable seems strange to me. Only in the > case of a feature-flagged bit of core code or extension which has not > been deployed yet would this even work, in all other cases deployment is > enabling because you've just updated

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla keywords for deployment queues?

2010-11-02 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-11-02, Rob Lanphier wrote: > We'd then pick off the keywords as we step through the process (e.g. > once it's reviewed, remove the "need-review" keyword). We could then > generate three queries to get us the three queues I alluded to above: > 1. Issues with all three keywords. These are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector extension naming

2010-10-13 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-10-13, Trevor Parscal wrote: > Thank you, everyone, for responding so far (not trying to stop you > here). Here's where it seems we're at. > >1. Having an extension called "Vector" is neither descriptive or > clear, and it is anticipated to cause confusion. >2. System admi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is the $_SESSION secure?

2010-09-23 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-09-24, Dmitriy Sintsov wrote: > One probably can rename it to another temporary name? Then move to final > location during the next request, according to previousely passed > cookie? > > Speaking of cookies, there are millions ways of looking at them, FF's > WebDeveloper extension, HTTP

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.17 release target (Re: UsabilityInitiative extension...)

2010-09-21 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-09-21, Rob Lanphier wrote: > On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Max Semenik wrote: > > On 21.09.2010, 6:09 Rob wrote: > > > >> I'm not sure what you mean by this.  October 15 would be the branch > >> point, not the release date.  Are you saying that we have to release > >> to production one

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-07 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-09-07, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I am both a long-time community member and a new WMF paid developer (in > the SF office) so I think I'm in a unique position to clear up some > misconceptions. > > First of all, all this talk of secret listservs and IRC channels is > malarkey. Yes, there are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-03 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-09-03, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: > On 9/3/10 4:55 PM, Robert Leverington wrote: > > >It's very dissapointing to see many of the suggestions discarded almost > >immediatley by most of the staff members replying as "unrealistic". > > I can't

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community vs. centralized development

2010-09-03 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-09-02, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > Over the last couple of years, MediaWiki development has moved from > being almost entirely volunteer-based to having a large contingent of > paid developers. A lot of people have noted that this has led to a > lot of work being done without much community invo

Re: [Wikitech-l] [HTML5] Improving Commons upload interface

2010-09-02 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-09-02, MZMcBride wrote: > Aryeh Gregor wrote: > > What's the alternative? There are *always* going to be many more > > ideas than implementers. Ideas are cheap. Wikimedia has to decide > > which features are the most critical to invest developer time in. > > Their decision is not going t

Re: [Wikitech-l] Must 3rd party skins and extensions be distributed under GPL?

2010-07-22 Thread Robert Leverington
In the past it has been concluded that extensions do not need to be licensed under the GPL, and I think that is the general agreement at the moment. Robert On 2010-07-22, Andrew Fitzgerald wrote: > Saw an article mentioned on Slashdot about Wordpress themes and plugins > being required to be disr

Re: [Wikitech-l] Some suggestions about the edit page.

2010-01-13 Thread Robert Leverington
On 2010-01-13, Tei wrote: > %% The Death of Wiki %% > > Ultimatelly, al wikis lose the war against entropy and are abandoned. > This will hit all wikipedia wikis, and all based on mediawiki. While > you can't stop that, you can code something so the resulting dead body > of wiki is not pure shit.

Re: [Wikitech-l] FW: [FOSDEM] News : Call For Developer Rooms

2009-10-26 Thread Robert Leverington
ld get a dev room together with the > other CMS/wiki projects, I would expect that we would have slots for ~4 talks > on MediaWiki, and possibly one or two talks in cooperation with the other > projects on common problems/solutions/whatever. I will be coming to FOSDEM '10 and a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Announce: Brion moving to StatusNet

2009-09-29 Thread Robert Leverington
e a > candidate in the door by the end of the year. Is the "Senior Software Architect" position that was originally going to be opened for you to move to still planned, or will the new CTO have a simillar number of responsibilities? -- Robert Leverington http://rhl

Re: [Wikitech-l] MW test infrastructure architecture

2009-08-11 Thread Robert Leverington
g to worry about, you bring up some valid points that are more often that not, ignored. > Dan Please can you properly break your lines in e-mail though, to 73(?) characters per a line - should be possible to specify this in your client. -- Robert Leverington http://rhl.me.uk/ signature

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Robert Leverington
erally these aren't things that a single person can answer, which is one reason why we have a multiple release canidate policy when declaring versions stable. -- Robert Leverington http://rhl.me.uk/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Robert Leverington
t defines trunk - it hasn't been tested to the same level as releases. Although I think this is case where everyone will have different opinions, I'm not sure of the current official stance. -- Robert Leverington http://rhl.me.uk/ signature.asc

Re: [Wikitech-l] A deployment branch for the rest of us

2009-07-30 Thread Robert Leverington
expect developers who already don't have enough time to spoon feed you information they don't have. The WMF deployment branch is already well beyond what end users should expect. -- Robert Leverington http://rhl.me.uk/ signature.asc Description: D

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5

2009-07-08 Thread Robert Leverington
On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:58:43AM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: > My thought is that the 5 tags that are marked as well-supported could be > used, but be very cautious about abandoning 4. There are a lot of old > machines out there, and many cannot upgrade to newer browsers, because > they