Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Jack Unger
Depends on the distance and the obstructions. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Would you rather have more power than you need or not enough? We also propose use of automatic transmitter power control so we only use as much power as we need. jack Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 20 watt radio's? Going i

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
20 watt radio's? Going into lets say a 6db antenna? Your looking at 80 watts. Is this really necessary? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behal

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Ryan Spott
This would be UP TO 20 watts at the radio. We explained how 900 works for most of us. (it sorta does... mostly) ryan On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > The 20 watt power output request. Is this for total ERP or at the radio? > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 >

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
The 20 watt power output request. Is this for total ERP or at the radio? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday,

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Scott Reed
I second Chuck. Looks very good. Chuck Profito wrote: > JACK, > Thank you and your team for all your hard work and travels and time away > from your networks! Excellent changes and Excellent Presentation. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...

[WISPA] to the General List at large

2010-04-03 Thread Chuck Profito
Please take the time to see and read about what Jack and WISPA FCC and Promotions Committee have done for you, and your families, and your customers, and your locality. Lawyers are not cheap, air fares and lodging in DC isn't ether. Their time away from their networks could be downright costly an

Re: [WISPA] WISPA TV Whitespaces Meeting with the FCC

2010-04-03 Thread Chuck Profito
JACK, Thank you and your team for all your hard work and travels and time away from your networks! Excellent changes and Excellent Presentation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
It's a freestanding 180' tower; no guys. It played the tune before I hoisted the longwire up the tower. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 12:14 PM To: W

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Scottie Arnett
Makes me think of the Blue Man Group, lol. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "Mike" Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:45:28 -0500 >If it was the pipe, wouldn't the tone be a single tone? It goes up and down >in scale and makes wh

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Jeremie Chism
Bose noise canceling headphones work well. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2010, at 1:06 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > Add a few more pipes of different lengths and sizes and you will get > a nice wind organ ;) instead of a wind chime :) > > /Eje > Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter > Sent

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread eje
Add a few more pipes of different lengths and sizes and you will get a nice wind organ ;) instead of a wind chime :) /Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:49:26 To: WISPA General List S

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
One last note on Vyatta and Linux routing For low port count applications, most router OSs will be fine. But, as one approaches the 300mbps+ per port, and multiple ports, X86 systems run into processor issues regarding PPS and small packets. There were two ways to solve it. 1) Use NAPI. 2)

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
I'm not sure that Vyatta has much of anything over Mikrotik today, because Mikrotik has matures to be be a very complete and reliable router package. When we originally looked at Vyatta, Mikrotik had BGP bugs, and Vyatta used Quagga and was maintaining it. But from what I here MIkrotik has stabl

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Tom DeReggi
I hope my comments weren't mis-interpretted as "bashing". I just want people to understand what they are getting themselves into, so they can make informed choices. On the upside... Vyatta also employs some very talented engineers, some with very impressive backgrounds. (I cant remember exactly

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Greg Ihnen
Could the big stick possibly be vibrating at the frequencies you're hearing? You sure it's not the wire antenna you're hearing or guy wires or something? Greg On Apr 3, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Mike wrote: > Wind through that short piece of pvc was my first suspect. But, Bernouli > effect asside, wo

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread RickG
Might be a gold record! On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Mike wrote: > It took a few minutes to get my recording stuff together.  I was going to > make a digital recording of the sound to embed here; the wind is up.  Guess > what?  No sound!  The wind is NOW coming from the SE (it's warming up!)

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread RickG
Same experience here. The beauty of Mikrotik routers is that you can afford to have several lying around ready for backup. -RickG On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Robert West wrote: > The only time I ever had a Mikrotik lock up was due to something stupid that > I did, not the router.  Rock solid

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Mikrotik did have some very nasty BGP lock-up problems and multi-processor lock-up bugs. It definitely wasn't the hardware because once they got it fixed, everything worked fine on the exact same hardware. BGP would just die. Router would still be up and working but with no BGP sessions. We the

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Greg Ihnen
I would have secured it with the pvc at about two thirds of the way up. I think it would hold the antenna more rigidly. If you moved the pvc it would probably change the physical resonance of the antenna and if that's the source of the sound it should go away. Greg On Apr 3, 2010, at 10:32 AM,

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread AJ
9913 coax won't generate audible tones unless the wind is going between say a tower member and the coax, then it could act as a reed... 9913 and LMR400, however, have been tracked down to be the cause of all kinds of RF racket when in duplex operation... http://www.repeater-builder.com/antenna/an

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Josh Luthman
*Versions 3.10-20 (ish not sure exactly where) had a hell of a battle with x86 and multiple CPUs/cores. *I had some 1xx and 5xx boards that would lock up over time. *Nstreme2 (dual nstreme) locked up for me when I used it. *Wasn't it 3.20 that caused x86 to lock up if there was a simple queue? That

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Robert West
The only time I ever had a Mikrotik lock up was due to something stupid that I did, not the router. Rock solid when not configured by me. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Saturday, April

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
You are correct; it's either a Diamond or Comet. I think it's a vomit. I took some binoculars out and gazed at the top; the cap is still attached. The "wispiness" of the stick is the reason I "lassoed" the top. It really is a thin walled radome. For what it's worth, it is connected to a UHF rep

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread AJ
Comet, Diamond and a number of off shore companies (Workman/Opek/Tram/Browning/Jetstream) all make a variant of this antenna - the most common failure we've had is wind on top mounts snapping them in half... If you looked at the inside prior to it being sealed up, it's nothing more than a very thin

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Josh Luthman
I find the whole thing very interesting at least :) On 4/3/10, Mike wrote: > It took a few minutes to get my recording stuff together. I was going to > make a digital recording of the sound to embed here; the wind is up. Guess > what? No sound! The wind is NOW coming from the SE (it's warming

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread eje
Had very good luck with Trendnet's web managed rack mount switches (supports vlan) both gige and 100mbit ones. Cost less then $200. Have both 52 ports, and 26 port units with gige up link ports. One some of the 5 and 8 port switches seen some 100FD issues with long ethernet runs, RB450/RB450G w

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Josh Luthman
Does layer7 rules demand that much memory? It's the only thing on that list that I think would. Are the other things heavily used? On 4/3/10, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > I would have to agree. Have had routers doing lot of work that had uptime > over a year (one that almost hit 500 days but

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread eje
I would have to agree. Have had routers doing lot of work that had uptime over a year (one that almost hit 500 days but lightning got the better of one ethernet port). The ones I seen problems it tend to be bad PC hardware or lack of memory. One router I saw would experience issues where vlans w

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
It took a few minutes to get my recording stuff together. I was going to make a digital recording of the sound to embed here; the wind is up. Guess what? No sound! The wind is NOW coming from the SE (it's warming up!) and straight into the pvc pipe. If it is the pipe, then it must take a "cros

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
To tell the truth, I'm surprised the dogs don't howl at the sound; they do howl back at coyotes! Any "hairy pants dude" lurking around would probably see a bead and two barrels, if you know what I mean. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wis

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Robert West
Maybe you have some weird lookin' dude with hairy pants hanging around. Let the dogs out next time, maybe they will catch him. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 11:19 AM To: bweb

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread AJ
Try a second member in the center to properly brace it completely vertically, wrap all of the pot metal joints with eletrical tape and hope it disappears LOL... Also look at the bottom of the antenna mount where the coax comes out - this is roughly 3 times the size of the coax cable that is bounci

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
Wind through that short piece of pvc was my first suspect. But, Bernouli effect asside, wouldn't a single "pan flute" create a single tone? There are 4 distinct tones! It really does play this eerie melody. Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun.

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
That would seem logical if the lasso were longer. As it is, the pvc is only about 18 inches long so any stretch to 18 inches of poly rope would be insignificant. Yes, there IS a slight bow to the stick. I think the pvc was anchored slightly low and short. I fretted about that at first, but the

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Brian Webster
When I ran a tower construction company, the crews used to tape over the ends of pipes when they were on top of the truck going to a job site. They said the noise from the wind blowing through them would drive them crazy while going down the road... Brian -Original Message- From: wirel

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread AJ
Is it me or does that Tram antenna look significantly bent at the top towards the tower? The joints on those $80 antennas tend to both leak and make all kinds of RF noise if not correctly seated... Any detail on the PVC joint? We've used a similar setup but with a PVC "T" connector at the end of

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
I hope they came out OK. I just stood on the front porch and took them. The rope and wire to the left of the tower are part of a 900 foot long wire antenna, and was pulled up after the tones were present. You can see the 17 foot stick, the bottom mount, and my pvc/poly lasso at the top. The feed

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Brian Webster
If the rope goes through that PVC and the wind is blowing, the rope would move changing the shape inside the pipe or the surface over the ends of the pipe thus altering the tone. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread AJ
Got pics? On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Mike wrote: > If it was the pipe, wouldn't the tone be a single tone? It goes up and > down > in scale and makes what sounds like 4 notes. Even with the lasso at the > top > to stabilize the stick, the antenna does bow a bit in the wind and that's >

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
If it was the pipe, wouldn't the tone be a single tone? It goes up and down in scale and makes what sounds like 4 notes. Even with the lasso at the top to stabilize the stick, the antenna does bow a bit in the wind and that's when the tone changes. If I put more of those "lassos" down the antenn

Re: [WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Charles Hooper
Have you tried plugging the ends of the PVC to see if the sound subsides? If you're lucky, it's not the antenna but the sound of the wind passing through the pipe (it sounds like it gets windy up there!) -- Charles Mike wrote: > A while back, the amateur community talked me into putting a ham

[WISPA] Pan flutes on the tower

2010-04-03 Thread Mike
A while back, the amateur community talked me into putting a ham antenna on my highest tower. It is a dual band 2 meter 70 cm DC grounded unit (as per my specs). I built a mount which offsets the stick a couple feet from the tower. A piece of 1 inch PVC through which I passed a piece of poly rop

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Glenn Kelley
I just loaded community edition 6 - and its rock solid w/ bgp One thing to note - is their release schedule. In short - 6 months - every 6 months they release a community edition - AND it is always what was available to the paid folks So - ... 6 months max wait for the "newest" software to bec

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Glenn, Did they get the 4 byte BGP issue fixed in the community version? Someone told me that was only available in the paid version, but that info might be dated. Lest you think this is a back-door FUD attempt, the Vyatta people are really good folks. We compete against them in the sense th

Re: [WISPA] Vyatta?

2010-04-03 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Hi Tom, They are available new with pretty good prices too! :-) Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Se

Re: [WISPA] Blocking UDP traffic

2010-04-03 Thread Charles Hooper
MDK wrote: > Yes, for some reason, star-os routes private ip's toward whatever your > default route is. GAAK! > This is normal behavior for most (maybe even all) routers, provided that there isn't an access list or firewall rules in place to prevent this. There are plenty of legitimate reas