What patents did Vonage infringe upon.
What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that
effect the future?
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hi all,
We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office
was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and
one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set
up is as follows:
Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a ro
Never. The model doesn't work at their pricing model. They will never be
profitable.
The $279 acquisition costs don't include hardware, advertising, referral
fees, coop fees to retail partners.
Their churn is double digits.
They don't indicate how many purchase hardware and never activate.
Their
m DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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Never. The model doesn't wor
*"Internet phone company Vonage said Monday that it plans to use EarthLink's
citywide Wi-Fi infrastructure to provide wireless broadband service along
with its voice over Internet Protocol service to customers."*
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6148275.html
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urt actions? That would surely list the patent numbers at issue.
Rich
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Subject: [WISPA] Vonage
What patents did Vonage infringe upon.
What does Verizon have a patter on concern
surely list the patent
numbers at issue.
Rich
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From: George Rogato
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Subject: [WISPA] Vonage
What patents did Vonage infringe upon.
What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that
ef
ct just for interests sake. Do you need a separate
email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as your post reads?
Rich
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I tracked down the patents and the verdic
nes last year.
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From: George Rogato
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Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 5:50 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Vonage
What patents did Vonage infringe upon.
What does Verizon have a patter on concerning voip and how does that
effect the futur
What problems are they having. Is it voice quality, incoming voice, outgoing
voice, no dial tone.
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On Aug 19, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Martha Huizenga wrote:
> hi all,
>
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
> somewhere else we gave him
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office was
> somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and one for
> Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the set up is as
> follows:
>
> Antenna on the roof comes into the house to a router
Voice quality. It breaks up. I will have to ask if they can hear me
alright. I had trouble with understanding them.
Update: they have two vonage boxes (two phone lines). Neither are off
the main router. all the routers (three) are hard wired together.
Martha
Martha Huizenga
DC Access, LLC <
They are natting three times at the customer site?! Get them closer
to your network, I'm sure at least one of those routers is causing
hell.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:
>
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:13:01AM -0400, Martha Huizenga wrote:
> hi all,
>
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office
> was somewhere else we gave him a separate router for the vonage box and
> one for Internet. At his new office, in his home carriage house the
Just a quick FYI..
ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
A lot of ATA's are "routers" as well, which means that they go thru NAT,
and will not work behind another NAT router.
Most of these devices will get across a NAT router by registering to a
SIP Proxy Server, which kee
I think it is time to perhaps subnet them and give them a /29
a /30 might work as well - but thinking /29 would simply be much more friendly
Than simply allow them to use the equipment up to as a router (depending on
your equipment this may not be possible)
nat on nat on Nat is really stinky
>ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (same thing as
spa2102 or pap2t-na in this discussion) that go:
Public ip -> IS Rebel, nat 1 -> customer radio, nat 2 -> customer soho
router, nat 3 -> ATA
It is more dependent on you
I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters.
Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients
On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> ALL VOIP Adapters & Phones, Do not like Double Natting
>
> Absolutely not true. I personally have many SPA2100 (sam
Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way audio not poor audio quality.
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On Aug 19, 2010, at 1:35 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote:
> I would agree - it for sure is not all adapters.
>
> Another alternative is to run a simple stunnel service for your clients
>
> On Aug 19,
NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they
manipulate all kinds of things.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Usually if nat is the problem it causes one way a
Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the
customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
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On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> NAT itself, yes, but with the cheap $60 routers I'm sure they
> manipulate all kinds of th
Whenever the customer has VoIP and the ATA has a router, we try to put
the ATA first. Saves a lot of heartache.
-Cameron
On 8/19/2010 3:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the
> customer router to take advantage of the built in
Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are:
ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1%
then
ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2%
These were done 1 minute or so apart.
There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of the
router. Unfortunately since he has two Vonage systems this is only
pos
Jitter and packet loss are your problem. Ping time is fine. You might want to
determine where the packet loss is. Is it the local wireless or your wireless.
The jitter concerns me more than the packet loss.
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On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:
> Ok, so the
On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the
> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
that won't help. you can't do QOS over the internet only within a
private network
leon
On 08/19/2010 03:57 PM, Martha Huizenga wrote:
Ok, so the pingtest's he did today are:
ping 36 jitter 50 packet loss 1%
then
ping 12 jitter 2 - packet loss 2%
These were done 1 minute or so apart.
There were some other suggestions about putting the ATA in front of
the router. Unfortunately s
Thanks everyone for responding.
We decided that we will split the connections into two Internet
connections, so we can put the ATAs at the front of each network. Then
there will be a repeater in the home, but it won't affect the ATA
because that will be first in the network.
Thanks!
Martha
I suggested that so if the local network was suggested.
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On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff"
wrote:
> On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the
>> customer router to take advant
Congested.
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On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:47 PM, "Leon D. Zetekoff"
wrote:
> On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> Agreed. If the ata has a built in router I try to connect it in front of the
>> customer router to take advantage of the built in qos.
> that won't help. y
It will regulate the traffic running through itself. It'll slow down
a BitTorrent or video stream so your VoIP works.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
On 8/19/2010 3:47 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote:
>On 08/19/2010 03:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> A
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On 8/19/2010 8:13 AM, Martha Huizenga wrote:
> hi all,
>
> We have a client that has Vonage and is having problems. When his office
> was somewhere else we gave him a s
Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?
Brian
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That's pretty funny.
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*"Internet phone company Vonage said Monday that it pl
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on telco or cableco.
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That's pretty funny.
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Accurate backups for your critical data!
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Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 7:58 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Vonage and Fax
Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Will a vonage # and service work with a fax machine?
I wouldn't count on it. The service needs to have T.38 compatibility.
I believe that BroadVoice offers that.
but, you could get a separate fax service which forwards fax to your
email. I think that would be a be
nod, mostly miss.
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No personal experience, but have seen a discussion in the past that
list of preferred fax brands/models as well.
YMMV...
Best,
Brad
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No personal experience
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It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for the most part 1-3 pages
will almost
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It is hit and miss for multiple page faxes, but for
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Always a miss with Vonage on faxing. They continue to bring in a LOT of
business based on the advertising that it works though. Ima
st,
Brad
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Guess you're not part of the class action lawsuit against Vonage
rega
Brad Belton wrote:
Construction sites many times have no option other than wireless data and
Vonage fax lines. They make do with what they have and make the best of it.
At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice
with working fax directly from us.
-Matt
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What speed/format FAX is supported now?
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At least in our markets constructions sites get wireless data and voice with
working fax directly from us.
-Matt
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we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.
Best,
Brad
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Brad Belton wrote:
>
exact
machine. Go figure.
Superior Wireless
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>
Brad Belton wrote:
We now have a Level3 voice product that is far more flexible than Vonage or
our Nuvio offerings. Voice and data haven't been an issue and are far
superior to any LEC offering. Haven't tried fax over Level3 yet, but I'm
sure we'll have the opportunity to do so soon.
Which
Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then...
Best,
Brad
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Brad Belton wrote:
n TCP/IP networking,
security, and Mikrotik routers.
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lol...sounds like you'
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Hmmm...guess I'd better keep it a secret then...
Best,
Brad
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1470
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Your Opinion of Today's Vonage Patent Judgment?
* Verizon=Patent Trolls. Vonage shouldn't have to pay them anything
* Vonage should pay less, and have that apply as licensing fee
* $58 million is about fair
* Vonage should pay more
* Verdicts such as these point to crying need for
Latest New Vonage news from yesterday:
Vonage CEO resigns, cost-cutting moves planned
contains the interesting quotation:
... "on Friday it won a temporary reprieve from a court order prohibiting it
from signing up new customers" ... at least until April 24 when the next
hearing occurs.
http://w
All,
I thought this was very interesting news.
As quoted from the article;
"Vonage America announced today that it no longer will
charge international calling rates for calls placed to land lines in
France, Ireland, Italy, Spain,
and the U.K. The change applies t
Turns out that VZ may not be the patent holder.
Tom Keating has some interesting insight.
And there is this patent: http://sabreean.com/?p=1421#more-1421
Rich Comroe wrote:
Latest New Vonage news from yesterday:
Vonage CEO resigns, cost-cutting moves planned
contains the interesting quotatio
Peter R. wrote:
Turns out that VZ may not be the patent holder.
Tom Keating has some interesting insight.
And there is this patent: http://sabreean.com/?p=1421#more-1421
Yikes, Vonage gets whacked around from Verizon and what happens if it
turns out Verizon is not the patent holder?
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European Countries
All,
I thought this was very interesting new
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