From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Dimmick
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:30 PM
To: 'Tanikella, Rajanikanth (SCR US)'; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
...cut...
With my database administrato
On Fri, 16 May 2008 07:35:17 -0700, Tanikella, Rajanikanth (SCR US) wrote:
Raj,
> 8.3 file names and such do not provide a compelling example of this in 2008.
This one comes up from time to time... It was mentioned a couple of times that
some old but still functional Novell file servers have th
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Mumford
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:13 AM
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
Man:
I can't believe how much making Windows Installer based installs suck
First, thank you for the excellent points about several of the
features that we put in for legacy platforms, but I'd like to politely
disagree with the idea that MSI corporate deployments are very rare.
Just to provide a different view, as someone who cut their teeth on
MSI back in the good old 1.0
f Of Scott Palmer
Sent: 13 May 2008 19:58
To: Josh Rowe
Cc: WiX Users
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
On a Mac you would just drag and drop the application icon. The very existence
of an installer is frowned upon for most things. Why doesn't Microso
ry when some shared component has been stomped on with an
incompatible version anyway.
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Sent: 13 May 2008 19:58
To: Josh Rowe
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Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100%
database for shared state).
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Rajanikanth (SCR US)
Sent: 16 May 2008 15:35
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
John McFayden does
e continuing
support!
Raj
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Mensching
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 1:00 PM
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I think we've covere
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jmcfadyen
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:51 PM
> To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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>
>
> It seems to me reading this from a link via Chris
) have no impact.
PS: None of my comments are intended to be directed *at* Scott. They are
about *all of us*.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Palmer
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 07:22
To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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1 language and we don't build or show
dialogs because we don't give users choices during install.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:51 PM
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tive feedback and will try our best to pass on some of your feedback to
the Windows Installer group.
Thanks,
Justin
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:14 AM
To: Holmgren Mathias
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourc
Justin
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Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:14 AM
To: Holmgren Mathias
Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
http://johnmcfadyen.spaces.live.com/
2008/5/15
http://johnmcfadyen.spaces.live.com/
2008/5/15 Holmgren Mathias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Don't blame the tools as there are plenty of people out there using
> these tools and making them work seemlessly and quickly on a day to day
> basis.
>
>
>
> Well, you can't just disregard the large majorit
> Don't blame the tools as there are plenty of people out there using
these tools and making them work seemlessly and quickly on a day to day
basis.
Well, you can't just disregard the large majority of people who are
struggling a lot with this. And you can't disregard the "developer
perspecti
It seems to me reading this from a link via Christopher Painter that you guys
are all missing a few vital points.
It looks to me like most of you looking at this as Dev's which is where you
are going wrong. I agree these items should be trivial to fix but there is a
vast number of regions outsid
endet: Mittwoch, 14. Mai 2008 17:30
An: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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Actually, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just suggesting that these
problems should be solved up front because they are difficult to solve. I'm
also sayi
he software to not require the CAs, I change the
software.
jmr
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Painter
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:06 AM
To: Neil Sleightholm; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back t
esday, May 14, 2008 10:06 AM
To: Neil Sleightholm; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
I think they are. Everytime you hear things like `solve the applicartion
problem`, `custom actions are an admission of failure`, `we won't implement
that
We all knew this thread was going nowhere from the first post of course...
My only point was that (in my experience) the original posters frustration
is shared by the vast majority of developers trying to do installers on
Windows. (i.e. everyone I know that has ever seen or worked on a WiX
project
he story is that deployment procedures really are part of the
source code for an application. They are also risky, so implement them
first to minimize risk.
jmr
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Sleightholm
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:51 PM
To: Scott Palmer
deployment procedures really are part of the
source code for an application. They are also risky, so implement them
first to minimize risk.
jmr
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Sleightholm
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:51 PM
To: Scott Palmer; WiX Users
Subject:
t *have* to be solved, whether up
front or later doesn't matter.
_m
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 19:26
An: WiX Users
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t *have* to be solved, whether up
front or later doesn't matter.
_m
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Josh Rowe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 19:26
An: WiX Users
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the first
place.
For your own software: learn from MS's mistakes and don't write it the same way.
jmr
From: Scott Palmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:58 PM
To: Josh Rowe
Cc: WiX Users
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
On Tue, May 1
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Josh Rowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The moral of the story is that deployment procedures really are part of
> the source code for an application. They are also risky, so implement them
> first to minimize risk.
>
This is the problem. Deployment SHOULD b
They are also risky, so implement them first
to minimize risk.
jmr
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neil Sleightholm
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:51 PM
To: Scott Palmer; WiX Users
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
As this was my comm
As this was my comment I thought I should respond.
>"I believe you should write the install then the code - if you can't install
>it, don't code it."
>>That's simply not the way it works, and that isn't going to change. I get
>>where you are coming from though... the general installation la
Well I dropped by to ask for help (I wonder if I will get it now :-)) but
first I have to chime in and agree with Chris and Mark. I dislike that what
I am about to post is basically a rant, but I think there are a lot more
people on their side than others seem to think, so I want to show my
suppor
Just to add my thoughts on this.
For me the key thing was learning that deployment is hard, no very hard!
I was relatively late to MSIs but have used Wise Installer and SMS
Installer (same thing really) to write many script based installs. I
found these tools hide far too much from me and actuall
ard'; 'WiX Users'
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
Richard
> Like anything else, it helps if you read the documentation.
I've just done that. Read what scarce documentation is available about WiX.
Read the dusty "tramontana" tutorial cove
Did we just invent this technology to make us hate our
lives?"
Cheers,
Mark.
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Mai 2008 00:07
An: WiX Users
Betreff: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100%
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chris Mumford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So now I'm rewriting one of my installations (which has always had issues)
> and I'm going to try to do it "right" with WiX. So I get it to install a few
> files in the right folder, and my very next step is to cre
oftware!)
Cheers.
_Mark
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Richard
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2008 21:10
An: WiX Users
Betreff: Re: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ma
th your application (first
> run)
> 9. expect problems - this "technology" (to insult that word too) is
> gagging for trial and error (and shot deadlines)
>
>
> Hope that helps a bit.
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
> --
> *Von:* [EMAIL PROTECT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Markus Kuehni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 1. learn how to write custom actions and use them liberally
Disagree
> 2. learn how to write custom dialogs and use them liberally
Use custom dialogs only when needed; most projects don't need them.
> 3. forget
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris
Mumford
Gesendet: Montag, 12. Mai 2008 06:13
An: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: [WiX-users] yep - back to being 100% frustrated
Man:
I can't believe how much making Windows Installer based installs suck - I
mean really
well.. the local supermarket here .. is looking for a Security Guard???
if u want i can help pass ya resume... :clap:
Chris Mumford-2 wrote:
>
> Man:
>
> I can't believe how much making Windows Installer based installs suck - I
> mean really sucks! Did we just invent this technology to make u
Man:
I can't believe how much making Windows Installer based installs suck - I
mean really sucks! Did we just invent this technology to make us hate our
lives?
And WiX doesn't make it any easier.
I'm calling it a night.
Peace out man...
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