Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Hmm... ok, thank you for the clarification, appreciated. > > I usually do exactly that, when I'm at the PC or Laptop. But I'm replying > from my phone, as I have been at work and commuting to and from work and > unfortunately when I hit "rep

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own > limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. > > Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do > it, everybody can. And yet, I'm

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 21:44:48 +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >On 07/12/2017 08:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: >> I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily >> on it for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software >> authors/company never provided any drivers for linux. And after a >>

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Hmm... ok, thank you for the clarification, appreciated. I usually do exactly that, when I'm at the PC or Laptop. But I'm replying from my phone, as I have been at work and commuting to and from work and unfortunately when I hit "reply" my phone just opens a new blank window to reply, so my apolog

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 06:26:20 +0100 Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't > want to break any etiquette. http://bfy.tw/CoLm SteveT Steve Litt July 2017 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.c

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
No, Peter, I confess I haven't. Not because of costs or that I was unaware of it, but merely because I'm making a genuine effort to stick to Linux alone, as I do need to learn it as well as I can. Hence, I'm not installing wine, so that I don't fall for the temptation of resorting to windows when I

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't want > to break any etiquette. And also what FOSS means. > Bottom posting is what almost everyone this list does - reply underneath the original post so as to preserve the

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't want to break any etiquette. And also what FOSS means. As for your reply... yes, to a great extent you are right. But what many in the linux world don't like or wish to acknowledge, is that another reason might be the countless

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Really hard, not impossible, Guan. Where there is a will, there is a way. And there's a will already... with patience, the way will come ;) On 13 Jul 2017 00:55, "Guang Chao" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett > wrote: > >> TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Hi Richard, Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do it, everybody can. And yet, I'm aware that there's a myriad of reasons why sometimes we may not be a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > q.v. > > Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this > forum useful. > Same to me. I mean I find useful. But

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for >

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for >

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Peter Flynn
On 07/12/2017 08:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for > alternatives, the odd couple of them

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for > my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided > any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for al

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Haha, noticed lol... I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for alternatives, the odd couple of them available are exceedingly inad

Re: [xubuntu-users] Rookie question on backups

2017-07-12 Thread Peter Flynn
On 07/12/2017 05:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:31:57 +0800, Guang Chao wrote: >> no one is paid > > Hi, > > JFTR "free" is for "libre", not for "gratis". An important point, often missed. There *are* a few people paid...there are some Open Source based companies whose wor

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:51:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >>- CAD wise, linux is still useless > >I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are >satisfied with Linux for CAT. ^^^ *lol* Not a j

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >- CAD wise, linux is still useless I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are satisfied with Linux for CAT. The real-time patches seem to work. Much likely it's the same as for pro-audio, which is my domain. How much MID

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Richard Owlett
TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" q.v. Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this forum useful. On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread wh

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Fair enough Ralph and I respect your opinion. Yet, allow me to ask you to consider that you may have misunderstood my purpose for this thread and to say that in my opinion it is a pitty if you choose to not jump into it because you do have very good and strong views on all this, that can bring equa

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Right. Comparisons. As much as they may be unfair, not sensible or even downright absurd, they are an intrinsic part of life - and of our human nature. That's a fact. A substantial part of the decisions that we make in our everyday lives are based on the conclusions that we make after making some

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, while it's a good idea to open a new thread, instead of becoming off-topic for another thread, I guess it's not useful to continue this discussion. At least I've said what I wanted to contribute to this discussion. Regards, Ralf PS: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2017-July/0

Re: [xubuntu-users] Rookie question on backups

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
IMO it's not worth the effort to continue a discussion about free/libre software's vs restricted/proprietary software's pros and cons. We simply should keep in mind that there are different points of view, about what steps should or shouldn't be done and we should expect the happy medium. -- xub

[xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned it, the purpose of this thread is simple: My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my rookie means, in a threefold manner... 1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists and tu