Deluded, a Buddha is a sentient being;
Awakened, a sentient being is a Buddha.
Ignorant, a Buddha is a sentient being;
With wisdom, a sentient being is a Buddha.
If the mind is warped, a Buddha is a sentient being;
If the mind is impartial, a sentient being is a Buddha.
When once a warped mind
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Bill,
I agree the effectiveness of a Bodhisattva is also important. And I certainly
wish I were more effective in the way I present the truth of Zen.
However when minds are closed to the truth there are limits to what a
Bodhisattva can teach. So from that perspective it's always better just to
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist
in reality instead of in your nutty head and you'll have the
whole meaning
Edgar,
quoting:
However when minds are closed to the truth
Talk about a dueling-dualist, out for a duel! (note: this is not Zen, but not
everything has to be).
Try coddling. It's a good Yoga.
The world will turn around, and you will see it aright.
Just a suggestion of a Method.
In
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Siska,
As you'll soon find out Edgar and I have almost the polar opposite
opinion on just about everything. In fact he'll probably disagree with
this statement ;) and will certainly jump all
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Siska,
Yes - waves, cloud formations, staring into a fire - anything chaotic, that is
not rational. It allows your mind to disengage from trying to 'make sense' out
of the changing forms and can enable you to slip into the experience of Buddha
Nature...
I guess I had pre-conceived ideas about Rumi's poems ;-)
Siska
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Yeeaaay, Edgar and Bill are in total agreement, finally!
:-)
Siska
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Siska,
Rumi is just describing what happens to all of us - phasing in and out of
awareness of Buddha Nature.
...Bill!
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Hi Bill,
As you'll soon find out Edgar and I have almost the polar opposite
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist in reality
instead of in your
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Siska,
No, unfortunately not.
Edgar does this all the time. He says something that seems to agree with what
I've stated
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist in reality
instead of in your nutty head and you'll have the whole meaning..
Edgar
On May 25, 2013, at 3
the two of you are not talking about exactly the same thing
Siska
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist in reality
instead of in your nutty head and you'll have the whole meaning
are in total agreement, finally!
:-)
Siska
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just
!
:-)
Siska
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just
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Bill,
Total agreement
Bill!,
Too facile.
In this case I agree with Edgar (Ta-da!).
I think he's right that he is not a person!
;-]
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar,
People create illusions so why can't people decide on whether they're real or
not?
I say they're not.
Chris,
One can certainly, with the right motivation, get the pants OFF in a hurry,
sometimes, AND the under-things, with NO thought at all.
Sometimes with too little thought; alas.
--Joe / singing the jilted-lover
Chris Austin-Lane chris@... wrote:
I also am pretty sure one may put
Group; Edgar, Merle, Bill!,
Even if Edgar is relatively wrong, Merle is ABSOLUTELY right, here.
Again: Merle wields the Wisdom-Sword of Manjushri!
Edgar takes a good haircut.
All Hail!
--Joe / the Ref
Merle Lester merlewiitpom@... wrote:
no it's nature and how she works!... merle
Edgar,
I think what you really mean is that Nature is not a Western female (as you
wrote a few hundred posts back).
What a slap in the face!
I mean, I hope it results in that. ;-)
Cruisin' for a bruisin'!
(You obviously do not know any Arizona women. It's not west coast, but,
instead,
Bill!,
A beautiful gem (of a statement of understanding, and the progress of Practice).
Put it in a Tiffany mount, and show it around!
Oh, it already is.
Here 'tis again.
w/ tnx,
--Joe
Bill! BillSmart@... wrote:
Edgar,
Giving up is good. That's what many zen teaching techniques are
, finally!
:-)
Siska
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Bill,
Total agreement
Bill!, Chris,
A bodhisattva might still take on the conventionalization of a your, or a
my, just so as not to weird you out, and to be of help or service. This too
is called Compassion.
It's not impossible to do this, even in the awakened state. Mind you, it may
not be easy, but it's not
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Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist in
reality
instead of in your nutty head and you'll have the whole meaning..
Edgar
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Bill,
Total agreement as stated.
Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist in
reality
instead of in your nutty head and you'll have the whole meaning..
Edgar
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Total agreement as stated.
Just
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.
The rest is a bit confusing. It's as if the 'self' is back.
Siska
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. It's as if the 'self' is back.
Siska
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Merle,br/br/I think Bill! was referring to Siska's post where she said she
followed the poem up to where the waves broke. Bill! seems to have replied to
Siska using your post so it's an understandable
mistake.br/br/Mikebr/br/Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Siska
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' is back.
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Bill,
Yes, nice quote IF you understand it correctly. The correct understanding is
this is how the world of forms evolves and manifests in the sea of Buddha
Nature.
Edgar
On May 24, 2013, at 6:04 AM, Bill! wrote:
...Bill!
Edgar,
So...does your statement below mean if you don't understand it correctly it's
not a nice quote? The sea foam is a metaphor for illusion. It's something
that has been churned up, appearing for a short time to be something separate
from the sea, a dualistic set of sea:foam. I think
When you put it all down, you can believe in your true self one hundred
percent.
Then your mind is clear like space, which is clear like a mirror: red comes,
red; white comes, white. Someone is hungry, give them food. Someone is thirsty,
give them a drink. Everything is reflected in this clear
My life may appear melancholy,
But travelling through this world
I have entrusted myself to Heaven.
In my sack, three sho of rice;
By the hearth, a bundle of firewood.
If someone asks what is the mark of enlightenment or illusion,
I cannot say...wealth and honor are nothing but dust,
As the
beautiful..and so to the point!..merle
My life may appear melancholy,
But travelling through this world
I have entrusted myself to Heaven.
In my sack, three sho of rice;
By the hearth, a bundle of firewood.
If someone asks what is the mark of enlightenment or illusion,
I cannot
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