Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-26 Thread Karl Wagner
Does it not store a separate checksum for a parity block? If so, it should not even need to recalculate the parity: assuming checksums match for all data and parity blocks, the data is good. I could understand why it would not store a checksum for a parity block. It is not really necessary:

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-26 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-26 12:29, Karl Wagner wrote: Does it not store a separate checksum for a parity block? If so, it should not even need to recalculate the parity: assuming checksums match for all data and parity blocks, the data is good. No, for the on-disk sector allocation over M disks, zfs raidzN

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-26 Thread Gregg Wonderly
I've been using this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816117157 for my Solaris/Open Indiana installations because it has 8 ports. One of the issues that this card seems to have, is that certain failures can cause other secondary problems in other drives on the same

[zfs-discuss] [Freenas-announce] FreeNAS 8.3.0-RELEASE

2012-10-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
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Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-26 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 26 Oct 2012, Jerry Kemp wrote: Thanks for the SIIG pointer, most of the stuff I had archived from this list pointed to LSI products. I poked around on the site and reviewed SIIG's SATA and SAS HBA. I also hit up their search engine. I'm not implying I did an all inclusive search, but

[zfs-discuss] Zpool LUN Sizes

2012-10-26 Thread Morris Hooten
I'm creating a zpool that is 25TB in size. What are the recommendations in regards to LUN sizes? For example: Should I have 4 x 6.25 TB LUNS to add to the zpool or 20 x 1.25TB LUNs to add to the pool? Or does it depend on the size of the san disks themselves? Or should I divide the zpool up

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zpool LUN Sizes

2012-10-26 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Morris Hooten mhoo...@us.ibm.com wrote: I'm creating a zpool that is 25TB in size. What are the recommendations in regards to LUN sizes? For example: Should I have 4 x 6.25 TB LUNS to add to the zpool or 20 x 1.25TB LUNs to add to the pool? Or does it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zpool LUN Sizes

2012-10-26 Thread Timothy Coalson
Disclaimer: I haven't used LUNs with ZFS, so take this with a grain of salt. On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Morris Hooten mhoo...@us.ibm.com wrote: I'm creating a zpool that is 25TB in size. What are the recommendations in regards to LUN sizes? The first standard advice I can give is that

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 10/25/2012 05:59 AM, Jerry Kemp wrote: I have just acquired a new JBOD box that will be used as a media center/storage for home use only on my x86/x64 box running OpenIndiana b151a7 currently. Its strictly a JBOD, no hw raid options, with an eSATA port to each drive. I am looking for

[zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, I was describing how raidzN works recently, and got myself wondering: does zpool scrub verify all the parity sectors and the mirror halves? That is, IIRC, the scrub should try to read all allocated blocks and if they are read in OK - fine; if not - fix in-place with redundant data

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Karl Wagner
I can only speak anecdotally, but I believe it does. Watching zpool iostat it does read all data on both disks in a mirrored pair. Logically, it would not make sense not to verify all redundant data. The point of a scrub is to ensure all data is correct. On 2012-10-25 10:25, Jim Klimov

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner I can only speak anecdotally, but I believe it does. Watching zpool iostat it does read all data on both disks in a mirrored pair. Logically, it would not make sense not to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-25 15:30, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner I can only speak anecdotally, but I believe it does. Watching zpool iostat it does read all data on

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA cards. They can be had new for $100 and are essentially rebranded LSI 9200-8e cards. Always try to look for OEM cards with LSI, because buying directly from them is incredibly expensive. Do these support eSATA? It seems

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 10/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA cards. They can be had new for $100 and are essentially rebranded LSI 9200-8e cards. Always try to look for OEM cards with LSI, because buying directly from them is

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 10/25/2012 04:11 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 10/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA cards. They can be had new for $100 and are essentially rebranded LSI 9200-8e cards. Always try to look for OEM cards with LSI,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Logically, yes - I agree this is what we expect to be done. However, at least with the normal ZFS reading pipeline, reads of redundant copies and parities only kick in if the

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Patrick Hahn
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Sašo Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/25/2012 04:11 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 10/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA cards. They can be had new for $100 and are

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 10/25/2012 04:28 PM, Patrick Hahn wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Sašo Kiselkov skiselkov...@gmail.comwrote: On 10/25/2012 04:11 PM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 10/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 10/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA cards. They can be had new for $100 and are essentially rebranded LSI 9200-8e cards. Always try to look for OEM cards with LSI,

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 10/25/2012 05:40 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 10/25/2012 04:09 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2012, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: Look for Dell's 6Gbps SAS HBA cards. They can be had new for $100 and are essentially rebranded LSI 9200-8e

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Dan Swartzendruber
On 10/25/2012 11:44 AM, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: It may be that you'll get reduced cabling range (only up to SATA lengths, obviously), but it works. The voltage differences are very small and should only come into play when you're pushing the envelope of the cable length. I have a two-drive

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Timothy Coalson
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: If scrubbing works the way we logically expect it to, it should enforce validation of such combinations for each read of each copy of a block, in order to ensure that parity sectors are intact and can be used for data

Re: [zfs-discuss] Scrub and checksum permutations

2012-10-25 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-25 21:17, Timothy Coalson wrote: On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru mailto:jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: If scrubbing works the way we logically expect it to, it should enforce validation of such combinations for each read of each copy of a block, in

Re: [zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-25 Thread Jerry Kemp
Hello Bob, Thanks for the SIIG pointer, most of the stuff I had archived from this list pointed to LSI products. I poked around on the site and reviewed SIIG's SATA and SAS HBA. I also hit up their search engine. I'm not implying I did an all inclusive search, but nothing I came across on

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-24 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 10/24/12 03:16, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner The only thing I think Oracle should have done differently is to allow either a downgrade or

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-24 Thread Carson Gaspar
On 10/24/12 3:59 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: So in this case you should have a) created the pool with a version that matches the pool version of the backup server and b) make sure you create the ZFS file systems with a version that is supposed by the backup server. And AI allows you to set the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-24 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 10/24/12 17:44, Carson Gaspar wrote: On 10/24/12 3:59 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote: So in this case you should have a) created the pool with a version that matches the pool version of the backup server and b) make sure you create the ZFS file systems with a version that is supposed by the

[zfs-discuss] suggestions for e-SATA HBA card on x86/x64

2012-10-24 Thread Jerry Kemp
I have just acquired a new JBOD box that will be used as a media center/storage for home use only on my x86/x64 box running OpenIndiana b151a7 currently. Its strictly a JBOD, no hw raid options, with an eSATA port to each drive. I am looking for suggestions for an HBA card with at least (2), but

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is L2ARC write pattern?

2012-10-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov One idea I have is that a laptop which only has a single HDD slot, often has SD/MMC cardreader slots. If populated with a card for L2ARC, can it be expected to boost the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Richard Elling [mailto:richard.ell...@gmail.com] At some point, people will bitterly regret some zpool upgrade with no way back. uhm... and how is that different than anything else in the software world? No attempt at backward compatibility, and no downgrade path, not even by

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-23 Thread Karl Wagner
Actually, I think there is a world of difference. Backwards compatibility is something we all need. We need to be able to access content created in previous versions of software in newer versions. You cannot expect an older version to be compatible with the new features in a later version.

[zfs-discuss] Segfault running zfs create -o readonly=off tank/test on Solaris 11 Express 11/11

2012-10-23 Thread Andreas Erz
Hi, I have tried running zfs create -o readonly=off tank/test on two different Solaris 11 Express 11/11 (x86) machines resulting in segfaults. Can anybody verify this behavior? Or is this some idiosyncrasy of my configuration? Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Andreas

Re: [zfs-discuss] Segfault running zfs create -o readonly=off tank/test on Solaris 11 Express 11/11

2012-10-23 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Andreas, Which release is this... Can you provide the /etc/release info? It works fine for me on a S11 Express (b162) system: # zfs create -o readonly=off pond/amy # zfs get readonly pond/amy NAME PROPERTY VALUE SOURCE pond/amy readonly off local This is somewhat redundant

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-23 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Karl Wagner The only thing I think Oracle should have done differently is to allow either a downgrade or creating a send stream in a lower version (reformatting the data where necessary, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-22 Thread Arne Jansen
On 20.10.2012 22:24, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/20/2012 01:10 AM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-22 Thread Arne Jansen
On 22.10.2012 06:32, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms mailto:t...@cook.ms wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/20/2012 01:10 AM, Tim Cook wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] ARC de-allocation with large ram

2012-10-22 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hi, If after it decreases in size it stays there it might be similar to: 7111576 arc shrinks in the absence of memory pressure Also, see document: ZFS ARC can shrink down without memory pressure result in slow performance [ID 1404581.1] Specifically, check if arc_no_grow is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ARC de-allocation with large ram

2012-10-22 Thread Tomas Forsman
On 22 October, 2012 - Robert Milkowski sent me these 3,6K bytes: Hi, If after it decreases in size it stays there it might be similar to: 7111576 arc shrinks in the absence of memory pressure Also, see document: ZFS ARC can shrink down without memory pressure result in

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Gary Mills On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:40:31AM +0200, Bogdan Ćulibrk wrote: Follow up question regarding this: is there any way to disable automatic import of any non-rpool on boot

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Ned Harvey If you rm /etc/zfs/zpool.cache and reboot... The system is smart enough (at least in my case) to re-import rpool, and another pool, but it didn't figure out to re-import

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-22 Thread Jim Klimov
Are you sure that the system with failed mounts came up NOT in a read-only root moment, and that your removal of /etc/zfs/zpool.cache did in fact happen (and that you did not then boot into an earlier BE with the file still in it)? On a side note, repairs of ZFS mount order are best done with a

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-22 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alexander Block abloc...@googlemail.com wrote: tar/pax was the initial format that was chosen for btrfs send/receive as it looked like the best and most compatible way. In the middle of development however I realized that we need more then storing whole and incremental files/dirs in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ARC de-allocation with large ram

2012-10-22 Thread Chris Nagele
If after it decreases in size it stays there it might be similar to: 7111576 arc shrinks in the absence of memory pressure After it dropped, it did build back up. Today is the first day that these servers are working under real production load and it is looking much better. arcstat is

[zfs-discuss] What is L2ARC write pattern?

2012-10-22 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, A few months ago I saw a statement that L2ARC writes are simplistic in nature, and I got the (mis?)understanding that some sort of ring buffer may be in use, like for ZIL. Is this true, and the only metric of write-performance important for L2ARC SSD device is the sequential write

Re: [zfs-discuss] What is L2ARC write pattern?

2012-10-22 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-22 20:58, Brian wrote: hi jim, writes are sequential and to a ring buffer. reads of course would not be sequential, and would be intermixed with writes. Thanks... Do I get it correctly that if a block from L2ARC is requested by the readers, then it is fetched from the SSD and becomes

Re: [zfs-discuss] ARC de-allocation with large ram

2012-10-22 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 22, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Chris Nagele nag...@wildbit.com wrote: If after it decreases in size it stays there it might be similar to: 7111576 arc shrinks in the absence of memory pressure After it dropped, it did build back up. Today is the first day that these servers are

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-22 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 19, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling At some point, people will

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Jim Klimov [mailto:jimkli...@cos.ru] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 7:26 AM Are you sure that the system with failed mounts came up NOT in a read-only root moment, and that your removal of /etc/zfs/zpool.cache did in fact happen (and that you did not then boot into an earlier BE with

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-21 Thread Bogdan Ćulibrk
On 10/20/12 2:30 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: How does the system decide, in the absence of rpool.cache, which pools it's going to import at boot? I guess you are referring to zpool.cache. In that case it will automatically import only your rpool.

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-21 Thread Kees Nuyt
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:40:31 +0200, Bogdan ?ulibrk b...@default.rs wrote: On 10/20/12 2:30 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: How does the system decide, in the absence of rpool.cache, which pools it's going to import at boot? I guess you are referring to

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-21 Thread Gary Mills
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:40:31AM +0200, Bogdan Ćulibrk wrote: Follow up question regarding this: is there any way to disable automatic import of any non-rpool on boot without any hacks of removing zpool.cache? Certainly. Import it with an alternate cache file. You do this by

Re: [zfs-discuss] FC HBA for openindiana

2012-10-21 Thread Erik Trimble
Do make sure you're getting one that has the proper firmware. Those with BIOS don't work in SPARC boxes, and those with OpenBoot don't work in x64 stuff. A quick Sun FC HBA search on ebay turns up a whole list of stuff that's official Sun HBAs, which will give you an idea of the (max)

Re: [zfs-discuss] FC HBA for openindiana

2012-10-21 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Erik Trimble tr...@netdemons.com wrote: Do make sure you're getting one that has the proper firmware. Those with BIOS don't work in SPARC boxes, and those with OpenBoot don't work in x64 stuff. A quick Sun FC HBA search on ebay turns up a whole list of

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-21 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/20/2012 01:21 AM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:58 PM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: Please don't bother

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-21 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/20/2012 01:10 AM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-20 Thread Arne Jansen
On 10/20/2012 01:10 AM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:58 PM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-20 Thread Arne Jansen
On 10/20/2012 01:21 AM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:58 PM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: Please don't bother changing libzfs (and proliferating the copypasta there) -- do it like

[zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
If you rm /etc/zfs/zpool.cache and reboot... The system is smart enough (at least in my case) to re-import rpool, and another pool, but it didn't figure out to re-import some other pool. How does the system decide, in the absence of rpool.cache, which pools it's going to import at boot?

Re: [zfs-discuss] vm server storage mirror

2012-10-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: Timothy Coalson [mailto:tsc...@mst.edu] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:43 PM A shot in the dark here, but perhaps one of the disks involved is taking a long time to return from reads, but is returning eventually, so ZFS doesn't notice the problem?  Watching 'iostat -x' for busy

Re: [zfs-discuss] What happens when you rm zpool.cache?

2012-10-20 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-20 16:30, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) пишет: If you rm /etc/zfs/zpool.cache and reboot...The system is smart enough (at least in my case) to re-import rpool, and another pool, but it didn't figure out to re-import some other pool. How does the system decide,

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-20 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-10-20 3:59, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling At some point, people will bitterly regret some zpool upgrade with no way back. uhm... and how

Re: [zfs-discuss] vm server storage mirror

2012-10-20 Thread Timothy Coalson
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com wrote: From: Timothy Coalson [mailto:tsc...@mst.edu] Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:43 PM A shot in the dark here, but perhaps one of the disks

[zfs-discuss] ARC de-allocation with large ram

2012-10-20 Thread Chris Nagele
Hi. We're running OmniOS as a ZFS storage server. For some reason, our arc cache will grow to a certain point, then suddenly drops. I used arcstat to catch it in action, but I was not able to capture what else was going on in the system at the time. I'll do that next. read hits miss hit%

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-20 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/20/2012 01:10 AM, Tim Cook wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:58 PM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at

Re: [zfs-discuss] FC HBA for openindiana

2012-10-20 Thread Tim Cook
The built in drivers support Mpha so you're good to go. On Friday, October 19, 2012, Christof Haemmerle wrote: Yep i Need. 4 Gig with multipathing if possible. On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 't...@cook.ms'); wrote: On Friday, October 19,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing rpool device paths/drivers

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Klimov
Hello all, I have one more thought - or a question - about the current strangeness of rpool import: is it supported, or does it work, to have rpools on multipathed devices? If yes (which I hope it is, but don't have a means to check) what sort of a string is saved into the pool's labels as

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing rpool device paths/drivers

2012-10-19 Thread James C. McPherson
On 19/10/12 04:50 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, I have one more thought - or a question - about the current strangeness of rpool import: is it supported, or does it work, to have rpools on multipathed devices? If yes (which I hope it is, but don't have a means to check) what sort of a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing rpool device paths/drivers

2012-10-19 Thread Jim Klimov
Thanks, more Qs below ;) 2012-10-19 11:16, James C. McPherson wrote: if you run /usr/bin/strings over /etc/zfs/zpool.cache, you'll see that not only is the device path stored, but (more importantly) the devid. As an excerpt from my adventurous notebook, which only has an rpool on SAS, I see

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/18/2012 10:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Arne Jansen wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. What does FITS stand for? Filesystem Incremental Transport Stream (or Filesystem Independent Transport Stream) Is this an attempt to

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Arne Jansen
On 19.10.2012 10:47, Joerg Schilling wrote: Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/18/2012 10:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Arne Jansen wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. What does FITS stand for? Filesystem Incremental Transport Stream (or Filesystem Independent

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Irek Szczesniak
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be found here: http://cr.illumos.org/~webrev/sensille/fits-send/ It adds a command 'zfs fits-send'. The resulting streams can currently only be received

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Arne Jansen
On 19.10.2012 11:16, Irek Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be found here: http://cr.illumos.org/~webrev/sensille/fits-send/ It adds a command 'zfs fits-send'. The

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: Is this an attempt to create a competition for TAR? Not really. We'd have preferred tar if it would have been powerful enough. It's more an alternative to rsync for incremental updates. I really like the send/receive feature and want to make it available

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Arne Jansen
On 19.10.2012 12:17, Joerg Schilling wrote: Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: Is this an attempt to create a competition for TAR? Not really. We'd have preferred tar if it would have been powerful enough. It's more an alternative to rsync for incremental updates. I really like the

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Ian Collins You have to create pools/filesystems with the older versions used by the destination machine. Apparently zpool create -d -o version=28 you might want to do on the new system...

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing rpool device paths/drivers

2012-10-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of James C. McPherson As far as I'm aware, having an rpool on multipathed devices is fine. Even a year ago, a new system I bought from Oracle came with multipath devices for all devices by

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing rpool device paths/drivers

2012-10-19 Thread James C. McPherson
On 19/10/12 09:27 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of James C. McPherson As far as I'm aware, having an rpool on multipathed devices is fine. Even a year ago,

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 19.10.2012 12:17, Joerg Schilling wrote: Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: Is this an attempt to create a competition for TAR? Not really. We'd have preferred tar if it would have been powerful enough. It's more an alternative to rsync for

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Arne Jansen
On 19.10.2012 13:53, Joerg Schilling wrote: Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 19.10.2012 12:17, Joerg Schilling wrote: Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: Is this an attempt to create a competition for TAR? Not really. We'd have preferred tar if it would have been powerful enough.

[zfs-discuss] looking for slides for basic zfs intro

2012-10-19 Thread Eugen Leitl
Hi, I would like to give a short talk at my organisation in order to sell them on zfs in general, and on zfs-all-in-one and zfs as remote backup (zfs send). Does anyone have a short set of presentation slides or maybe a short video I could pillage for that purpose? Thanks. -- Eugen

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Alexander Block
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 19.10.2012 11:16, Irek Szczesniak wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be found here:

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-19 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 19, 2012, at 1:04 AM, Michel Jansens michel.jans...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10/18/12 21:09, Michel Jansens wrote: Hi, I've been using a Solaris 10 update 9 machine for some time to replicate filesystems from different servers through zfs send|ssh zfs receive. This was done to store

Re: [zfs-discuss] looking for slides for basic zfs intro

2012-10-19 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 19, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: Hi, I would like to give a short talk at my organisation in order to sell them on zfs in general, and on zfs-all-in-one and zfs as remote backup (zfs send). Googling will find a few shorter presos. I have full-day presos on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing rpool device paths/drivers

2012-10-19 Thread Richard Elling
On Oct 19, 2012, at 12:16 AM, James C. McPherson j...@opensolaris.org wrote: On 19/10/12 04:50 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello all, I have one more thought - or a question - about the current strangeness of rpool import: is it supported, or does it work, to have rpools on multipathed devices?

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Matthew Ahrens
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be found here: http://cr.illumos.org/~webrev/sensille/fits-send/ It adds a command 'zfs fits-send'. The resulting streams can currently only be received

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Arne Jansen
On 10/19/2012 09:58 PM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be found here: http://cr.illumos.org/~webrev/sensille/fits-send/

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-19 Thread Tim Cook
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net wrote: On 10/19/2012 09:58 PM, Matthew Ahrens wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Arne Jansen sensi...@gmx.net mailto:sensi...@gmx.net wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be

Re: [zfs-discuss] vm server storage mirror

2012-10-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Yikes, I'm back at it again, and so frustrated. For about 2-3 weeks now, I had the iscsi mirror configuration in production, as previously described. Two disks on system 1 mirror against two disks on system 2, everything done via iscsi, so you could zpool export on machine 1, and then

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Richard Elling At some point, people will bitterly regret some zpool upgrade with no way back. uhm... and how is that different than anything else in the software world? No attempt at

Re: [zfs-discuss] vm server storage mirror

2012-10-19 Thread Timothy Coalson
Several times, I destroyed the pool and recreated it completely from backup. zfs send and zfs receive both work fine. But strangely - when I launch a VM, the IO grinds to a halt, and I'm forced to powercycle (usually) the host. A shot in the dark here, but perhaps one of the disks involved

[zfs-discuss] FC HBA for openindiana

2012-10-19 Thread Christof Haemmerle
hi there, i need to connect some old raid subsystems to a opensolaris box via fibre channel. can you recommend any FC HBA? thanx ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] FC HBA for openindiana

2012-10-19 Thread Tim Cook
On Friday, October 19, 2012, Christof Haemmerle wrote: hi there, i need to connect some old raid subsystems to a opensolaris box via fibre channel. can you recommend any FC HBA? thanx __ How old? If its 1gbit you'll need a 4gb or slower hba. Qlogic would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] FC HBA for openindiana

2012-10-19 Thread Christof Haemmerle
Yep i Need. 4 Gig with multipathing if possible. On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Friday, October 19, 2012, Christof Haemmerle wrote: hi there, i need to connect some old raid subsystems to a opensolaris box via fibre channel. can you recommend any FC HBA?

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs send to older version

2012-10-18 Thread Ian Collins
On 10/18/12 21:09, Michel Jansens wrote: Hi, I've been using a Solaris 10 update 9 machine for some time to replicate filesystems from different servers through zfs send|ssh zfs receive. This was done to store disaster recovery pools. The DR zpools are made from sparse files (to allow for

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-18 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Arne Jansen wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. What does FITS stand for? ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-18 Thread Arne Jansen
On 10/18/2012 10:19 PM, Andrew Gabriel wrote: Arne Jansen wrote: We have finished a beta version of the feature. What does FITS stand for? Filesystem Incremental Transport Stream (or Filesystem Independent Transport Stream) ___ zfs-discuss mailing

Re: [zfs-discuss] [zfs] portable zfs send streams (preview webrev)

2012-10-17 Thread Arne Jansen
We have finished a beta version of the feature. A webrev for it can be found here: http://cr.illumos.org/~webrev/sensille/fits-send/ It adds a command 'zfs fits-send'. The resulting streams can currently only be received on btrfs, but more receivers will follow. It would be great if anyone

[zfs-discuss] openindiana-1 filesystem, time-slider, and snapshots

2012-10-16 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris)
Can anyone explain to me what the openindiana-1 filesystem is all about? I thought it was the backup copy of the openindiana filesystem, when you apply OS updates, but that doesn't seem to be the case... I have time-slider enabled for rpool/ROOT/openindiana. It has a daily snapshot (amongst

Re: [zfs-discuss] openindiana-1 filesystem, time-slider, and snapshots

2012-10-16 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 10/16/12 14:54, Edward Ned Harvey (opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris) wrote: Can anyone explain to me what the openindiana-1 filesystem is all about?I thought it was the backup copy of the openindiana filesystem, when you apply OS updates, but that doesn't seem to be the case... I have

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