Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-10 Thread Joe Auty
Toby Thain wrote: On 8-Nov-09, at 12:20 PM, Joe Auty wrote: Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 AM, besson3c j...@netmusician.org mailto:j...@netmusician.org wrote: ... Why not just convert the VM's to run in virtualbox and run Solaris directly on the hardware? That's

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-09 Thread Joe Auty
Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 AM, besson3c j...@netmusician.org mailto:j...@netmusician.org wrote: I'm entertaining something which might be a little wacky, I'm wondering what your general reaction to this scheme might be :) I would like to invest in some sort of

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-09 Thread Joe Auty
Erik Ableson wrote: Uhhh - for an unmanaged server you can use ESXi for free. Identical server functionality, just requires licenses if you need multiserver features (ie vMotion) How does ESXi w/o vMotion, vSphere, and vCenter server stack up against VMWare Server? My impression was that you

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-09 Thread Toby Thain
On 8-Nov-09, at 12:20 PM, Joe Auty wrote: Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 AM, besson3c j...@netmusician.org wrote: ... Why not just convert the VM's to run in virtualbox and run Solaris directly on the hardware? That's another possibility, but it depends on how Virtualbox

[zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread besson3c
I'm entertaining something which might be a little wacky, I'm wondering what your general reaction to this scheme might be :) I would like to invest in some sort of storage appliance, and I like the idea of something I can grow over time, something that isn't tethered to my servers (i.e. not

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, besson3c wrote: What if I were to run a FreeBSD VM and present it several vdisks, format these as ZFS, and serve up ZFS shares through this VM? I realize that I'm getting the sort of userland conveniences of ZFS this way since the host would still be writing to an EXT3/4

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread besson3c
My impression was that the ZFS Fuse project was no longer being maintained? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 AM, besson3c j...@netmusician.org wrote: I'm entertaining something which might be a little wacky, I'm wondering what your general reaction to this scheme might be :) I would like to invest in some sort of storage appliance, and I like the idea of something I can

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Ross Walker
On Nov 8, 2009, at 12:09 PM, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: Why not just convert the VM's to run in virtualbox and run Solaris directly on the hardware? Or use OpenSolaris xVM (Xen) with either qemu img files on zpools for the VMs or zvols. -Ross

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Joe Auty j...@netmusician.org wrote: Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 AM, besson3c j...@netmusician.org wrote: I'm entertaining something which might be a little wacky, I'm wondering what your general reaction to this scheme might be :) I

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Joe Auty j...@netmusician.org wrote: Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Joe Auty j...@netmusician.org wrote: Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 AM, besson3c j...@netmusician.org wrote: I'm entertaining something which might be a

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread jay
complicated conversion of existing vms, or rebuilding. Or do the same thing with freebsd as your base system. --Original Message-- From: besson3c Sender: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org To: zfs Discuss Subject: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization Sent: Nov 8, 2009 3:03 AM I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Joe Auty j...@netmusician.org wrote: Tim Cook wrote: It appears that one can get more in the way of features out of VMWare Server for free than with ESX, which is seemingly a hook into buying more VMWare stuff. I've never looked at Sun xVM, in fact I

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Erik Ableson
Uhhh - for an unmanaged server you can use ESXi for free. Identical server functionality, just requires licenses if you need multiserver features (ie vMotion) Cordialement, Erik Ableson On 8 nov. 2009, at 19:12, Tim Cook t...@cook.ms wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Joe Auty

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Joe Auty j...@netmusician.org wrote: Erik Ableson wrote: Uhhh - for an unmanaged server you can use ESXi for free. Identical server functionality, just requires licenses if you need multiserver features (ie vMotion) How does ESXi w/o vMotion, vSphere, and

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Erik Ableson
Simply put ESXi is exactly the same local feature set as ESX server. So you get all of the useful stuff like transparent memory page sharing (memory deduplication), virtual switches with VLAN tagging, and high performance storage I/O. For free. As many copies as you like. But... You will

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread jay
for a case, bays and drives. Which is what you'll spend on decent hardware raid. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -Original Message- From: Joe Auty j...@netmusician.org Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:50:30 To: j...@lentecs.com Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread jay
2009 12:43:59 To: Joe Autyj...@netmusician.org Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.orgzfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman

Re: [zfs-discuss] RAID-Z and virtualization

2009-11-08 Thread Morten Dall
Just to clear out the vmware stuff. ESXi + ZFS I've run production with a thumper 4540, solaris10 (before dedup:) ,48 drives, one pool, NFS through 1 GB to ESX(+ESXi) on dedicated NICs ZFS snapshots always proved to be consistent data to ESX = ESX or ESXi depends on your needs NFS (leaves all