Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-26 Thread Richard Elling
On May 26, 2010, at 4:12 AM, Attila Mravik wrote: > If your ZIL does use nonvolatile cache and does not honor flush > requests then a powerloss is the same as loosing the ZIL altogether > since it will not have the data saved for a playback. This is not a correct statement. Those are two differe

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-26 Thread Attila Mravik
>> >> Since this is a SSD you're talking about, unless you have enabled >> nonvolatile write cache on that disk (which you should never do), and the >> disk incorrectly handles cache flush commands (which it should never do), >> then the supercap is irrelevant.  All ZIL writes are to be done >> syn

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Thomas Burgess [mailto:wonsl...@gmail.com] > > I might be somewhat confused to how the ZIL > works but i thought the point of the ZIL was to "pretend" a write > actually happened when it may not have actually been flushed to disk > yet... No. How the ZIL works is like this: Whenever a p

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Tue, 25 May 2010, Thomas Burgess wrote: The Apollo reentry vehicle was able to reach amazing speeds, but only for a single use. What exactly do you mean?  What I mean is what I said. A set of specifications which are all written as "maximums" (i.e. peak) is pretty useless. Perhaps if y

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
Also, let me note, it came with a 3 year warranty so I expect it to last at least 3 years...but if it doesn't, i'll just return it under the warranty. On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Bob Friesenhahn < > bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us>

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Bob Friesenhahn < bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us> wrote: > On Mon, 24 May 2010, Thomas Burgess wrote: > >> >> It's a sandforce sf-1500 model but without a supercapheres some info >> on it: >> >> Maximum Performance >> >> * Max Read: up to 270MB/s >> * Max Wr

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
> > > At least to me, this was not clearly "not asking about losing zil" and was > not clearly "asking about power loss." Sorry for answering the question > you > thought you didn't ask. > I was only responding to your response of WRONG!!! The guy wasn't wrong in regards to my questions. I'm s

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Thomas Burgess wrote: It's a sandforce sf-1500 model but without a supercapheres some info on it: Maximum Performance * Max Read: up to 270MB/s * Max Write: up to 250MB/s * Sustained Write: up to 235MB/s * Random Write 4k: 15,000 IOPS * Max 4k IOPS: 50,000

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Thomas Burgess [mailto:wonsl...@gmail.com] > > Just dataloss. > WRONG! > > I didn't ask about losing my zil. > > I asked about power loss taking out my pool. As I recall: > I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) > > It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My que

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Thomas Burgess
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Williams > > > > > I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) > > > > > > It seems to work really well as a ZIL perform

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Nicolas Williams > > > I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) > > > > It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. > > I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say datalos

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Thomas Burgess
> > > Not familiar with that model > > It's a sandforce sf-1500 model but without a supercapheres some info on it: Maximum Performance - Max Read: up to 270MB/s - Max Write: up to 250MB/s - Sustained Write: up to 235MB/s - Random Write 4k: 15,000 IOPS - Max 4k IOPS: 50,00

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Thomas Burgess
> > > ZFS is always consistent on-disk, by design. Loss of the ZIL will result > in loss of the data in the ZIL which hasn't been flushed out to the hard > drives, but otherwise, the data on the hard drives is consistent and > uncorrupted. > > > > This is what i thought. I have read this list on

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On 5/24/2010 2:48 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) Not familiar with that model It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Erik Trimble
On 5/24/2010 2:48 PM, Thomas Burgess wrote: I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just dataloss or is it pool loss? ZFS is

Re: [zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 05:48:56PM -0400, Thomas Burgess wrote: > I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) > > It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how > safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss > occursis it just dataloss or

[zfs-discuss] questions about zil

2010-05-24 Thread Thomas Burgess
I recently got a new SSD (ocz vertex LE 50gb) It seems to work really well as a ZIL performance wise. My question is, how safe is it? I know it doesn't have a supercap so lets' say dataloss occursis it just dataloss or is it pool loss? also, does the fact that i have a UPS matter? the nu