On Mon, Aug 20, 2007 at 06:27:09PM -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:

> I would expect whoever owned the servers hosting opensolaris.org, and
> thus the resulting legal liability for software distributed from it,
> to have some involvement in ensuring the relevant laws of the jurisdiction
> it's hosting it in to be followed.   At the moment, that's Sun & the laws
> of California/the United States.   One could easily imagine a future where
> that was a non-profit foundation and a jurisdiction with less restrictions
> on common cryptography, and Sun would then not have the same role, but
> we're not there today.
> 
> Sun can't stop any site they don't own from hosting vim packages for
> OpenSolaris, so those who find this repressive could apply to places
> such as genunix, blastwave or sunfreeware to host them in the meantime.

Sure, but there'a also no reason I can see for Sun to hold up
integration into a consolidation just to assuage its own paranoia
(especially for SFW).  More to the point, if they're only doing it to
meet their (perceived) obligations as hosts, they should be concerned
only with export of the source.  Which is very different from export
in binary form as part of Solaris.  The latter is only Sun's problem,
and should not be allowed to delay integration.

In any case, this really highlights the need to get our own hosting
resources.  The reality is that Sun's lawyers serve, in order, (1)
themselves, (2) Sun.  Note that the OpenSolaris Community isn't in
that list, nor is there any reason to think we should be as we are not
their clients.  Since they're unaccountable to us, it's unreasonable
for them to be a part of our processes.  Hosting is not tied to the
creation of a nonprofit foundation; you'll see that virtually everyone
hosts their code somewhere even if they don't have one.  Tying the two
together seems like an excuse for continued inaction.  I've suggested
ISC in the past; if anyone has contacts there or has other ideas, we
ought to put together a proposal.  We should take this topic
elsewhere, perhaps to website-discuss or ogb-discuss.

-- 
Keith M Wesolowski              "Sir, we're surrounded!" 
FishWorks                       "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" 

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