Some how, I find the argument 'lawyers don't allow us to ship" not very compelling considering most of the linux distributors have successfully distributed vim for so long. How we are different ? , Even after so many posts, this discussion will die soon (as before) and without shipping basic productivity tools for a programmer like a programmer friendly editor (e.g vim or emacs).
Note: Most of the software distributed within our companion CD (like vim or gdb) is way way old unlike the software we distribute within /usr/sfw and how many locations does a programmer need to set in his PATH to get going ? thanks sriram Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 08:33:47PM -1000, Joseph Kowalski wrote: > > >> Do you believe the OGB wants to be the target of US Government export >> control? >> > > This isn't the right question; the OGB isn't an entity and doesn't > export anything. But even that doesn't matter; everyone located in > the United States is subject to that country's laws. Nothing Sun's > lawyers do (or Sun does) changes that. > > >> OGB, and all of OpenSolaris, are leveraging the Sun Paid lawyers. If >> OGB (or >> whatever) wants to pay their own lawyers, they are welcome too. >> > > We're not leveraging Sun's lawyers, though. They aren't accountable > to us, they don't share their reasoning, methods, or processes with > us, and so far as I can tell they are a giant black box of > delay-and-deny. At best we might hope that they serve Sun's > interests, but they certainly don't serve ours and cannot be expected > to. If Sun wants to employ lawyers and seek their advice with respect > to Solaris, it has that sovereign right. It does not, however, have > the right to force their lawyers on the rest of us. Or are you saying > that I can hire a lawyer and hold every project team hostage until > he's approved their integration request? Since he works for me, this > effectively gives me an absolute veto over every project - I can delay > or deny them arbitrarily and without explanation. > > >> Then again, until (if?) a OpenSolaris reference distribution exists, >> this seems >> to be a hypothetical issue. >> > > It's much more than a hypothetical issue. Vim's integration into > OpenSolaris is being held up by people who are not accountable to us > or to any Community Group, and whose ability to participate in the > process is not sanctioned by the OGB or any piece of OpenSolaris > community-approved process. If it were a hypothetical issue, I'd be > happy to ignore or defer it. It's not, and the current state of > affairs is unacceptable. > >
