Harry when i was playing well i set my irons as follows, SW
= 66* AW = 65* PW = 64*
9I = 63* 6I thru 8I= 61* thru 63* 4 & 5 I
= 59 & 60*. I found that on the shorter irons I
tended to try and help them body wise vs the long iron using a
sweeping motion. When I was either building a set
for a customer or just doing a L&L check I checked each &
every club.
Just make sure that when bending you get as far down on the hosel
as you can because if you don't you had better have a Heli-Arch
welders phone number real handy.
RK
Manufacturer's of World Class Golf Club Repair
Equipment
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Date: Saturday,
January 18, 2003 3:41:14 PM
Subject: RE:
ShopTalk: Lie Angle Progression
Hi Arnie and
Charlie
Our third year in business we
broke the bank and bought a Mitchell Loft and Lie machine with putter
attachment.
I know the standard progression
for lie and we hand select and dial in based on; component wts,
cpm, swt., NBP, etc. > all the good stuff.
We actually bend loft and lie of
iron and wedge heads prior to cutting the shafts to final
length. Found to be easier and little more
accurate.
When I check lie for a customer
I ONLY use the 5 iron, and ASSUME a lie progression
of 1 degree change for each 1/2 inch length change.
My question is a little
different. Sorry for not making myself clear. I suspect
some clubmakers use 2 or 3 clubs for checking lie angles.
Lets say the 2 clubs are a 4 iron
and an 8 iron, and standard lie is 59 and 63 respectively for standard
length steel.
From the lie board its determined
the guy/gal needs 60 to 63 (delta 3 degrees) over the 5 clubs =
0.75 degree lie progression.
Could this be normal, or do you
almost always get 1 deg / 0.5 inch, when using more than 1 club for
lie checking a customer?
Then I look at a Golfweek column
dated Sept. 2000 titled "What's in Tiger's Bag". There is what
they stated for his Titleist clubs:
Their length is graduated down in
half-inch increments from a 39" 2 iron. 2I = 21 degrees loft, 60
degree lie (about 1 degree upright),
Irons:
2I = 21.60 / 3I = 24.61 / 4I = 27.62
/ 5I = 30.63 / 6I = 33.63 1/2 / 7I =
37.64 / 8I = 41.64 / 9I = 45.65 /
PW = 50.65
Wedges: SW = Vokey 258.08
bent to 256.06 (06 denotes bounce) / LW = Vokey
260.06 The article didn't mention if same length as
9I?
From Tiger's club data, the lie
angle only changes 1 degree (and not 2 degrees) from his 5 iron to his
7 iron = 0.5 degree lie progression.
Now to get back to my first
question. Why does Tiger need only 1 degree lie change from 5I
to 7I? I suspect a lot of other golfers may not
be based on the 1 degree per
change in length per 0.5 inches. Checking only a 5 iron a
clubmaker would never find this out, and assume
all to be fine. For those
clubmakers who have checked multiple clubs on a lie board, does 1
DEGREE PER 0.5 INCH HOLD UP IN PRACTICE?
This was the basic question I
wanted answered. Not too concerned about Joe Average, they
can't tell a couple of degrees anyway.
Arnie, Charlie, and
others, what have you found with the more elite (around scratch
or better) type of golfer?
I build all wedges the same length
as the 9 iron. Prefer to buy iron heads with 8 iron loft
at 40 deg. (getting harder to find with no cheated
lofts).
Just finishing a set of Dynacraft
PC3 irons for a guy. First time using this head and probably my
last. Book says 431 stainless steel but these suckers where the hardest yet to
bend. Then I bent his Dynacraft Pro Wedges (also 431) and went
way too far on the first bend (soft as butter). PC3's needed a 10# sledge
hammer and the Pro Wedges needed a 0.5# tack hammer for the hosel
bending bar. No more PC3's for me.
The
PC3's and Pro Wedge's with ProSoft Inserts will be delivered on
Monday. Without grips all swingweights within 0.2
points, all shafts aligned, loft and lie within 1/4 degree, - 1 cpm
off on frequency for only one club, otherwise on
a perfect frequency slope. Arnie, is that
close enough to be considered "assembled with nothing less than
perfect craftmanship"?
Thank You and Cha-Ching (the
sound of money as you deposit it in the cash box)!
Thanks
HarryS
When I've looked at component catalogue's
some vary by 58 - 63 (5 deg) or 57 - 64 (7 deg) from the 2 Iron
through to PW. For the bulk of the players you fit 3 Iron to
PW
Lie angle of 2 iron 57*, 3 iron
58*, 4 iron 59*, 5 iron 60* as you can see each iron going up in
iron number adds one degree of lie angle. TILL YOU GET TO 64* 9 iron
and all wedges are the same lie angle and length as the 9 iron.
UNLESS YOU BUILD THE WEDGES PROGRESSIVELY SHORTER. The key is
that for each half inch in length reduction the lie angle increases
by one degree. Keep this in mind when you lengthen or shorten
clubs from "standard length" of 37.5" steel shafted 5 iron and 38"
graphite shafted 5 iron. YOU MUST HAVE A LOFT/LIE MACHINE! And
when clubs are lengthened or shortened you will have to adjust the
lie for the golfer. No, you can't just adjust the length because of
the asterisk on the spec. chart for the heads that says *+/- 1
degree (note small print). Trust no catalog -- invest in loft/lie
machine. Don't waste your money on a machine to measure 'cause you
still need a loft/lie machine to bend and the loft/lie machine also
measures.
Check head weight progression, freq. match shafts,
spline shafts, weigh grips, weigh shafts, calculate and check swing
weights, install prosoft inserts if desired, use the same length of
grip tape, polish the ferrules, assemble with nothing less than
perfect craftsmanship, and adjust loft and lie.
Next
customer please. Hey you, wait your turn! Clubs will be ready
tomorrow. Will that be cash, check or charge? THANK
YOU!
Arnie
Hi Arnie
Based on each
iron getting progressively shorter or longer by 1/2 inch, does this
equate to 1 degree lie angle increments?
When I've
looked at component catalogue's some vary by 58 - 63 (5 deg) or 57 -
64 (7 deg) from the 2 Iron through
to PW.
For the bulk
of the players you fit 3 Iron to PW, what is the typical lie
ange change over the 8 clubs?
Thanks HarryS
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